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On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 at 8:50:11 AM UTC-4, Martin Brown wrote:
The minimalist mathematical religion has just two axioms which it shares with all proselytising "our God is better than yours" religions. Axiom 1: All people not believing in The One True Religion(TM) will burn for eternity in hellfire. Axiom 2: It is the duty of all true believers in The One True Religion to minimise suffering. They find it very easy to get from there to applying any finite amount of torture in this world to convert the misguided souls who do not believe in TOTR. The Spanish inquisition were particularly good at it and had invented a version waterboarding (toca) long before the CIA. Nothing like that is going on at my local churches. I have never heard a preacher talk about hellfire. You must be watching too many old movies to have come up with such a biased and hateful picture of religion. |
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On Tue, 13 Sep 2016 06:10:00 -0700 (PDT), Gary Harnagel
wrote: On Monday, September 12, 2016 at 10:51:06 PM UTC-6, Chris L Peterson wrote: On Mon, 12 Sep 2016 20:50:24 -0700 (PDT), Gary Harnagel wrote: Kaine I would take in a heartbeat. Pence scares the **** out of me, even more than the Donald. With Pence we would have a theocracy, and a lot of Christians would eventually be very very sorry. Oh, come now! Did JFK produce a theocracy? JFK understood deeply the secular nature of our country. Nevertheless, there was much concern about JFK at the time, and his understanding as not a consideration in voters minds. There was indeed. Which is why Kennedy addressed the nation and made it crystal clear that his religion did not stand in the way of representing the people. There is nothing to suggest that is the case with Pence, who has admitted to allowing his religion to guide his actions. Your delusion about religion is clouding your judgment. Have you not listened to anything Pence has said? His quotes of the bible to justify foreign policy? His references to religion is signing the odious Religious Freedom Restoration Act in Indiana last year, or the extreme anti-choice laws in that state? That kind of anti-American behavior is about as far from Kennedy as you could get. |
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On Monday, September 12, 2016 at 6:32:36 PM UTC-4, roland c. wrote: On Monday, September 12, 2016 at 2:46:02 PM UTC-5, Gary Harnagel wrote: On Monday, September 12, 2016 at 10:46:06 AM UTC-6, Razzmatazz wrote: On Monday, September 12, 2016 at 10:29:02 AM UTC-5, Gary Harnagel wrote: https://art-soulworks.com/pages/prin...peace-painting That's a stunning portrait for an 8 year old to have painted. very talented youngster indeed. For me, images of Jesus have no meaning whatsoever. However, his words are priceless gifts. Razzy I may be wrong, but I think these two experiences are indeed connected and were designed by Providence (as George Washington would say) for those whose faith has been eroded by the caustic winds of doubt. If you are really interested in what constitutes a free nation run on Christian principles, consider this essay by Bill Moyers, who I consider to be a moral voice of reason, a true Christian in the classic sense: http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/1761...meri ca/#more Let me know where you think Trump stands, what principles he espouses (besides making oodles of money for himself). roland c. Trump once wrote that it isn't the -money- than motivates him, it's the -process- whereby he makes the money that motivates him. It's the journey, not the destination. Was that Trump or his ghost writer? If it's the process of his businesses that fascinate him that's even worse. Read up on the reports of those who claim he agrees contracts and then when the work is finished claims the work is faulty and refuses to pay the agreed amount. Then they are threatened with legal action which he knows they can't afford (but he can). If this is true it's the worse kind of bullying. Read about the claimed mafia connections. Is this the kind of man you want as president? |
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On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 at 8:50:11 AM UTC-4, Martin Brown wrote: The minimalist mathematical religion has just two axioms which it shares with all proselytising "our God is better than yours" religions. Axiom 1: All people not believing in The One True Religion(TM) will burn for eternity in hellfire. Axiom 2: It is the duty of all true believers in The One True Religion to minimise suffering. They find it very easy to get from there to applying any finite amount of torture in this world to convert the misguided souls who do not believe in TOTR. The Spanish inquisition were particularly good at it and had invented a version waterboarding (toca) long before the CIA. Nothing like that is going on at my local churches. I have never heard a preacher talk about hellfire. You must be watching too many old movies to have come up with such a biased and hateful picture of religion. http://www.puritanpublications.com/s...hildrens-book/ |
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On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 at 10:08:01 AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
On Tue, 13 Sep 2016 06:10:38 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 at 8:50:11 AM UTC-4, Martin Brown wrote: The minimalist mathematical religion has just two axioms which it shares with all proselytising "our God is better than yours" religions. Axiom 1: All people not believing in The One True Religion(TM) will burn for eternity in hellfire. Axiom 2: It is the duty of all true believers in The One True Religion to minimise suffering. They find it very easy to get from there to applying any finite amount of torture in this world to convert the misguided souls who do not believe in TOTR. The Spanish inquisition were particularly good at it and had invented a version waterboarding (toca) long before the CIA. Nothing like that is going on at my local churches. Not in the Jewish ones. But it happens in all the Christian and Muslim ones. First, Jews don't have Churches, they have Temples and Synagogues. Second, Muslims don't have Churches either, they have Mosques. Third, since you don't attend any of the above you are in no position to make any claims about what goes on there. |
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On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 at 10:06:06 AM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote:
On Tue, 13 Sep 2016 04:47:48 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Monday, September 12, 2016 at 12:49:38 PM UTC-4, Chris L Peterson wrote: On Mon, 12 Sep 2016 09:40:43 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc wrote: On Monday, September 12, 2016 at 10:10:05 AM UTC-6, Chris L Peterson wrote: I don't see anything here that even remotely rises to the level of objective, or even reasonable evidence for the existence of a god. A girl can paint? A boy thinks he went to heaven? Two people have a similar idea what Jesus looked like? If it happens that a number of similar anecdotes come up - and in the majority of those anecdotes, Jesus looks the same, and His appearance is not simply modeled on a commonly-known portrait - that would indeed be objective evidence, even if not ironclad. On the other hand, if there are many similar anecdotes, and in two of them, Jesus looks the same, yes, that isn't evidence. Of course in this case we have only one painting, which looks very much like a conventional representation of Jesus, and everything else is people making claims without evidence. This is hearsay of the lowest quality at this point. The dude in the painting sure looks like Jesus to me. I'll bet he does. Who do you think he looks like, peterson? |
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On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 at 11:47:12 AM UTC-4, Mike Collins wrote:
wrote: On Monday, September 12, 2016 at 6:32:36 PM UTC-4, roland c. wrote: On Monday, September 12, 2016 at 2:46:02 PM UTC-5, Gary Harnagel wrote: On Monday, September 12, 2016 at 10:46:06 AM UTC-6, Razzmatazz wrote: On Monday, September 12, 2016 at 10:29:02 AM UTC-5, Gary Harnagel wrote: https://art-soulworks.com/pages/prin...peace-painting That's a stunning portrait for an 8 year old to have painted. very talented youngster indeed. For me, images of Jesus have no meaning whatsoever. However, his words are priceless gifts. Razzy I may be wrong, but I think these two experiences are indeed connected and were designed by Providence (as George Washington would say) for those whose faith has been eroded by the caustic winds of doubt. If you are really interested in what constitutes a free nation run on Christian principles, consider this essay by Bill Moyers, who I consider to be a moral voice of reason, a true Christian in the classic sense: http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/1761...meri ca/#more Let me know where you think Trump stands, what principles he espouses (besides making oodles of money for himself). roland c. Trump once wrote that it isn't the -money- than motivates him, it's the -process- whereby he makes the money that motivates him. It's the journey, not the destination. Was that Trump or his ghost writer? Wouldn't matter, the idea is quite plausible. delete Is this the kind of man you want as president? The ill-debeest would be far worse. |
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