The rigid airship (fat waverider/shuttle) to/from hell:

On Mar 20, 12:02 am, "Kent Paul Dolan" wrote:
wrote:
What exactly is your composite rigid airship
expertise?

I know how big they get, because I've been
inside the airship hangers at Navy Base Moffit
Field. Apparently you don't even know that much.

That's silly, as well as per usual having absolutely nothing to do
with the composite rigid airship application on behalf of Venus. Why
didn't you just tell us that you were all so retarded.

Much like the ESA Venus EXPRESS mission's robust PFS instrument, the
composite rigid airship is 100% doable within existing technology.
Its size (large, medium or small) doesn't actually matter, whereas
with micro electronics means that such a composite airship could be
made extremely compact (within as little as one meter, or at most a
few meters worth), or because of the available buoyancy and 90.5%
gravity is what also means that such a composite airship could just as
easily and otherwise become 10 fold larger than anything accomplished
upon Earth, as well as hauling 70 fold as much payload per m3.

Obviously you and others of your incest cloned kind don't even
comprehend the most basic terminology meaning of "composite", or that
of being "rigid", or the matter of fact being that such an airship
would be operating as though within nearly a 10% density of water,
that's actually made good by way of being mostly that of a clean and
dry co2, which is extremely easy to keep outside of this airship (much
like keeping water outside of a submarine ship).


earlier, "Brad Guth" wrote:

the following group of thermal images which seems
to include a rather large item that could be a
rigid airship as existing within sequence after
sequence (therefore it is not an imaging fault).
http://esamultimedia.esa.int/images/..._500_red_c.jpg

My what an idiot you are.

You mean that variously elliptical or tadpole shaped
blob at 20S20E?

Do you have any idea how _huge_ that blob is?

A couple of whole degrees wide, and up near the
equator, so probably around 200km in diameter.

That's certainly no airborne artifact.

It's certainly a much cooler artifact, isn't it.

Don't be so sure about that, because the size of a given airship is
not actually a problem for Venus. Although the previous surface
obtained image of a large enough airship of perhaps 2.4 km certainly
isn't all that insurmountable.

I see that ESA has summarily messed up their public's web viewing
access to these nifty images. Messy downloading seems the only doable
option. Of course thwe entire Venus EXPRESS mission has been
officially made dead anyway, because they're not allowed to share any
of their PFS readings.

http://www.esa.int/esa-mmg/mmg.pl?b=...tart=19&size=b


Most likely it is the top of a storm vortex (Venus
upper atmosphere cloud tops get down to around 110
Kelvin at night), but I wrote ESA for you and asked,
just to see if a better answer was available.

Nothing the size of a doable "rigid airship" would
be a visible fraction of a pixel at the scale of
those images, which anyone but a paranoid conspiracy
theorist innumerate dunderhead like you would have
figured out on his own, but no, _you_ have gone on
yammering for hundreds of postings, and five months,
about your "rigid airship".

Oh, and yes, the Venus cloudtops are liquid sulfuric
acid laden, which eats both metal and carbon
composite. Oops, Brad's composite rigid airship fall
down, go "fizz".

http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/Venus_Ex...NY808BE_0.html

Double OOPS! as per usual, and just as I'd thought, you're an idiot on
steroids.

BTW; how many teratonnes of pure h2o are within them acidic clouds?


Oh, and yes, Venus surface temperatures do melt
lead. So much for your putative Venerian native
population, which all exploded into their putative
bodily components expressed as rapidly expanding
gasses the moment you invented them.

http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/Venus_Ex...KXPJNVE_0.html

Their pain is on your head.

Once again, your faith based ****ology is all there is to behold.

Why can't you folks figure anything out" Is it entirely because of
your brown-nosed incest cloning?

Why are posting to "poster" instead of contributing back to the
original groups? (topic/author ****ology again?)
-
Brad Guth

Pat Flannery wrote:

:Scott Dorsey wrote:
:
: Venus is simply a whole lot more doable than any other planet or moon.
:
:
: Does her husband know about this?
:
:You know, her husband was Vulcan, so finding volcanoes on Venus is
retty fitting.

Did they have a son named 'Spock'?

On Mar 20, 10:54 am, Fred J. McCall wrote:
Pat Flannery wrote:
:Scott Dorsey wrote:

:
: Venus is simply a whole lot more doable than any other planet or moon.
:
:
: Does her husband know about this?
:
:You know, her husband was Vulcan, so finding volcanoes on Venus is
retty fitting.

Did they have a son named 'Spock'?

Benjamin

On Mar 11, 11:10 pm, "Brad Guth" wrote:
"Brad Guth" wrote in message

news:76874a218a4bd9082d596c09657ad7b4.49644@mygate .mailgate.org

Where's all the supposed expertise, those NASA wizards, or way smarter
than God collective of Usenet spooks and moles when you need them?

I mean to ask, exactly how tough is a composite rigid airship?
-

As I've had to stipulate the obvious from the very get-go;
Mars is a 100% go if whatever cost isn't a factor, if decades of R&D
plus mission time isn't a factor, if your having to bring damn near
everything imaginable along for the spendy and potentially lethal to/
from ride isn't a factor, if your not having rad-hard DNA isn't a
factor any more so than your not having half a village idiot's brain
isn't a factor. Otherwise, much like our moon, Mars is best suited
for those robust little rad-hard robots, that can if need be take on a
direct meteorite hit and somewhat keep right on ticking, whereas we
humans would need to pack along a substantial cache of our banked bone
marrow, and lots of ductape.

Otherwise, for cruising above the bulk of those acidic Venusian
clouds, whereas it's still unavoidably made solar warm by day, but
otherwise becomes seriously a wee bit extra cold by night, offering a
rather good thermal difference to behold of 190°C is technically
doable.

http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/Venus_Ex...NY808BE_0.html
Higher in the atmosphere, above 110 kilometres, the mysteries
continue. In the higher atmosphere of a planet as close to the Sun as
Venus, why do we measure temperatures as low as 30 °C on the day side,
and even -160 °C on the night side?

"At around 60 kilometres altitude is a very thick cloud layer - a 20
kilometre-deep blanket surrounding the planet."

By which also means there's more than a few teratonnes worth of good
old fresh h2o available to easily extract, not to mention your having
all of the local renewable energy that you could possibly need as for
making that h2o into the likes of h2o2 if need be.

Somewhat near the bottom (46+ km) zone of that robust Venus cloud deck
is also a rather nifty layer of S8 solids. Once situated well enough
below the S8 layer (say operating below 35 km by day and 25 km by
night) is where it gets much calmer and unavoidably warmer as headed
towards that geothermally active deck, a Venusian surface that's
emitting 20 some odd watts/m2 (emitting 256 fold greater thermal
energy than Earth's surface). Of course, not each and every m2 is
every bit as hot or as cool as any other, and of surface elevations do
exist where you could have a nighttime surface environment of
something less than 600 K, whereas many other active zones of lava,
mud ponds or of mud flows, or otherwise of those pesky geothermal
forced gas vents are most certainly more than smoking hot spots to
keep your distance from.

There's nothing that's technically all that insurmountable about
Venus, and thank God there's locally such a viable cache of mucho/
spare and otherwise 100% renewable energy to burn (sort of speak).
With said available energy (of which obviously need not be imported),
there's almost nothing that can't be accommodated, including while on
the fly of utilizing that composite rigid airship, or that of
processing CO2--CO/O2. Of course, the usual mainstream box of status
quo thinking, of what's mostly faith-based naysayism, gets you
nowhere.
-
Brad Guth

Fred J. McCall wrote:
:You know, her husband was Vulcan, so finding volcanoes on Venus is
retty fitting.

Did they have a son named 'Spock'?


"Humor... it is a difficult concept."
"Rubbr butfuk Savik-can"
"What?"
"It is an ancient dialect of our people."
"I have never heard it spoken before."
"Tickle your ass with a feather."
"What?"
"I said: 'We've been having nice weather'." :-)

Pat

As per usual, there's not an honest word to being had.

The entire Usenet goes into its usual nondisclosure lock-down mode,
and/or once again taking the fifth, or perhaps stipulating executive
privilege.
-
Brad Guth

wrote:
As per usual, there's not an honest word to being had.

Well, of course. This is talk.bizarre. This isn't a place for honest
words.

The entire Usenet goes into its usual nondisclosure lock-down mode,
and/or once again taking the fifth, or perhaps stipulating executive
privilege.

No, not the entire Usenet. I know you've managed to crosspost this
to a bunch of groups, but there are still thousands of groups you have
yet neglected to add to the Newsgroups: line.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

On 23 Mar 2007 23:20:40 -0400, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:

wrote:
As per usual, there's not an honest word to being had.

Well, of course. This is talk.bizarre. This isn't a place for honest
words.

Scott,
Actually, from my point of view, it's sci.space.history. Not that
Guth doesn't more properly belong on talk.bizarre...

See ya on the boatanchors group

Dale

On Mar 23, 7:20 pm, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
wrote:
As per usual, there's not an honest word to being had.

Well, of course. This is talk.bizarre. This isn't a place for honest
words.

The entire Usenet goes into its usual nondisclosure lock-down mode,
and/or once again taking the fifth, or perhaps stipulating executive
privilege.

No, not the entire Usenet. I know you've managed to crosspost this
to a bunch of groups, but there are still thousands of groups you have
yet neglected to add to the Newsgroups: line.
--scott

Silly boy, as brown-nosed and mainstream butt-sucking as per usual,
just like a good little Third Reich minion.
-
Brad Guth

wrote:

[Snipped. Who cares about the ravings of the
clinically insane?]

Just so the Guthifer doesn't run out of "artifacts"
about which to spin Usenet-wide conspiracies to
suppress his "brilliant analyses", I've just "got"
to throw some gasoline on the fire.

http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2007-034

At least that's got some shape to it, unlike the
formless blob around which he built his inane
"rigid airship" conjectures.

So, my take is, there's a 15,000 km wide military
headquarters stealthed at the north pole, where it
would be out of sight from Earth, and it's the
launch point for all those gobzillions of flying
saucers and their big headed anal probe wielders.

What is seen in the images is the result of waste
heat boiling up from the open office windows of
all the tobacco addicts on Saturn.

Heck, that complex is big enough to have launched
the "rigid airship" Guth claims is floating in the
acid muck Venus calls an atmosphere, out the
servants' entrance, with a handspan to spare on
each side.

Heh.

xanthian.

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