space suit hazards were ignored

On the network news tonight the near drownding of the astronaut caused by a space suit malfunction was revealing. the water leak was known but ignored just a week earlier, and nasa currently only has 12 space suits. so few spares are available.

nasa learned nothing from challenger and columbia, find a hazard and pass it off as no big deal.

my prediction.... with management like this we are going to lose ISS or at minimum kill some astronauts, because mission STILL comes before safety

Le 27/02/2014 04:00, bob haller a écrit :
On the network news tonight the near drownding of the astronaut caused by a space suit malfunction was revealing.

the water leak was known but ignored just a week earlier, and nasa currently only has 12 space suits. so few spares are available.


This is not true. The leak was detected but the consensus was that it
was a leaky water bottle. That was a wrong conclusion but not any
DELIBERATE coverup or similar as suggested by the posting of this person.


nasa learned nothing from challenger and columbia, find a hazard and pass it off as no big deal.


Space faring *IS* dangerous, and mistakes accur. Nobody is saying that
NASA people are gods.

Happily NASA people aren't like Mr haller, that makes a mistakes every
time he opens his mouth to say something.

my prediction....

don't give a damm about your predictions.

[snip]

For a better story see:
http://www.space.com/24835-spacesuit...stigation.html

On Wednesday, February 26, 2014 10:41:07 PM UTC-5, jacob navia wrote:
Le 27/02/2014 04:00, bob haller a écrit :

On the network news tonight the near drownding of the astronaut caused by a space suit malfunction was revealing.



the water leak was known but ignored just a week earlier, and nasa currently only has 12 space suits. so few spares are available.





This is not true. The leak was detected but the consensus was that it

was a leaky water bottle. That was a wrong conclusion but not any

DELIBERATE coverup or similar as suggested by the posting of this person.





nasa learned nothing from challenger and columbia, find a hazard and pass it off as no big deal.





Space faring *IS* dangerous, and mistakes accur. Nobody is saying that

NASA people are gods.



Happily NASA people aren't like Mr haller, that makes a mistakes every

time he opens his mouth to say something.



my prediction....



don't give a damm about your predictions.



[snip]



For a better story see:

http://www.space.com/24835-spacesuit...stigation.html

Bolden the NASa chief said the failure should of gotten a detailed investigation.

this is similiar to O ring erosion, and near wing burn thrus.

google boldens statement he is clearly not happy

On Thursday, February 27, 2014 2:38:37 AM UTC-5, Fred J. McCall wrote:
bob haller wrote:





my prediction.... with management like this we are going to lose ISS or at minimum kill some astronauts, because mission STILL comes before safety





My prediction.... Bobbert will either attempt to 'declare victory' is

someone catches a cold or will find some reason why his 'prediction'

fails.


lets review

nasa ignored o ring erosion and challenger died.......

NASA ignored foam loss and columbia crew died

nasa ignored water leak in suit and astronaut nearly died.

in all cases hazards were made known to nasa but called no biggies.

what will be the NEXT loss or near loss reason?

In article ,
says...

On the network news tonight the near drownding of the astronaut caused by a space suit malfunction was revealing. the water leak was known but ignored just a week earlier, and nasa currently only has 12 space suits. so few spares are available.

nasa learned nothing from challenger and columbia, find a hazard and pass it off as no big deal.

my prediction.... with management like this we are going to lose ISS or at minimum kill some astronauts, because mission STILL comes before safety

Read the report before you go spouting off. Historically, the "network
news" does a ****-poor job of reporting on anything related to the space
program.

http://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/fi...ntrusion_Misha
p_Investigation_Report.pdf

CNN sacking its best space reporter didn't help matters. Unfortunately,
Miles was in yesterday's CNN news (article online) because part of his
arm had to be amputated. I hope Miles is doing well, given the
circumstances.

Jeff
--
"the perennial claim that hypersonic airbreathing propulsion would
magically make space launch cheaper is nonsense -- LOX is much cheaper
than advanced airbreathing engines, and so are the tanks to put it in
and the extra thrust to carry it." - Henry Spencer

In article ,
says...


lets review

nasa ignored o ring erosion and challenger died.......

NASA ignored foam loss and columbia crew died

nasa ignored water leak in suit and astronaut nearly died.

in all cases hazards were made known to nasa but called no biggies.

what will be the NEXT loss or near loss reason?

Typical Bob oversimplifying arguments until they're practically
meaningless. Are you oversimplifying deliberately, or can you just not
grasp anything more complex?

All of these incidents require long reports. Even this "relatively
simple" EVA anomaly required a 222 page report:

http://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/fi...ntrusion_Misha
p_Investigation_Report.pdf

If you do not actually read the reports, then why should anyone listen
to your opinions? Without a basis in fact, you're just babbling on
without saying anything meaningful (let's call this Bobberting).

Jeff
--
"the perennial claim that hypersonic airbreathing propulsion would
magically make space launch cheaper is nonsense -- LOX is much cheaper
than advanced airbreathing engines, and so are the tanks to put it in
and the extra thrust to carry it." - Henry Spencer

a good summary NASAWATCH

NASA vows to fix problems that led to spacesuit leak
A fundamental misunderstanding of how water behaves in the cooling system of a spacesuit operating in weightlessness, combined with institutional complacency and a perceived pressure to avoid delays, resulted in a frightening, potentially fatal close call last summer when water flooded a spacewalker's helmet outside the International Space Station, NASA managers said Wednesday.
FULL STORY

"bob haller" wrote in message
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On Thursday, February 27, 2014 2:38:37 AM UTC-5, Fred J. McCall wrote:
bob haller wrote:





my prediction.... with management like this we are going to lose ISS or
at minimum kill some astronauts, because mission STILL comes before
safety





My prediction.... Bobbert will either attempt to 'declare victory' is

someone catches a cold or will find some reason why his 'prediction'

fails.


lets review

nasa ignored o ring erosion and challenger died.......

The problem Bob isn't just that you're wrong, but HOW you're wrong.

The issue there wasn't so much they ignored it. They misjudged it. There's
a fundamental difference.



NASA ignored foam loss and columbia crew died


Again, hardly. They far from ignored it. They were very aware of it. Again,
ignoring is very different from misjudging.

nasa ignored water leak in suit and astronaut nearly died.


Again, no one is ignoring it.


in all cases hazards were made known to nasa but called no biggies.


Have you read the CAIB or other reports? Seriously.

what will be the NEXT loss or near loss reason?



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