NASA considers orbital outpost near moon as next big project

Quite so, Fred. But to call him a moron is an understatement-and too polite.
Jackass and peabrain would be more apt. Not to mention politically naive.
"Fred J. McCall" wrote in message
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Matt, the point is that even if Bobbert's 'sky is falling' launch rate
comes true, his conclusion is moronic.

Matt Wiser wrote:

Fred, you responded to the part of the Bobbert's post that I heartily
disagree with.

As for launch rate, that's how many flights to put the components in
position? and then, unless automated rondezvous and docking is used, you'll
have some assembly flights. Then there's crew rotation, resupply, etc. Not
to mention staging things like a lunar lander (bonus if the ascent stage is
reusable in whatever Altair plus version is developed) to the surface-if
that's the plan to get to the surface that NASA decides to go with. Souds
like a pretty decent launch rate in the first year or two before things
settle down.

On Sunday, September 23, 2012 11:19:31 PM UTC-7, Fred J. McCall wrote:
"Matt Wiser" wrote:





the cost to maintain launch facilties and workers for one launch a

year will be a killer.





Only if that pad can only handle the one launch system. If it can

handle others, everything gets a lot cheaper.



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"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable

man persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore,

all progress depends on the unreasonable man."

--George Bernard Shaw

We'll have to learn to operate beyond the magnetosphere eventually-does the
NEO mission come to mind? I thought not. Might as well learn a little closer
to home before going that far out. And we get some lunar work done from the
L2 point-like teleoperating a rover on the lunar farside, perhaps? Not quite
boots on the ground, but close enough for now.


"Adam Przybyla" wrote in message
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bob haller wrote:
On Sep 23, 6:16 pm, wrote:
"Top NASA officials have picked a leading candidate
for the agency's next major mission: construction of
an outpost that would send astronauts farther from
Earth than they've ever been.

Called the gateway spacecraft, it would hover in orbit
on the far side of the moon, support a small crew and
function as a staging area for future missions to the
moon and Mars."

See:


http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...sa-outpost-201...

I posted this same thing earllier today.....

so they are trying to give SLS a mission? with one launch a year, and
because of that nasa will need a different system to get humans to the
station......

now just exactly what research will the new station be doing? and how
idoes it differ from previous stations like MIR and ISS????
... it's like future spacecraft without engine;-) ISS is proteced
by earth magnetosphere, gateway spececraft don't. Regards
Adam Przybyla

Statements can change at any time. Or did that ever come to your naive mind?
I thought not. You can go back to your mass-produced MER-class rover
fantasies.


"bob haller" wrote in message
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On Sep 24, 1:32 pm, Matt Wiser wrote:
Fred, you responded to the part of the Bobbert's post that I heartily
disagree with.

As for launch rate, that's how many flights to put the components in
position? and then, unless automated rondezvous and docking is used, you'll
have some assembly flights. Then there's crew rotation, resupply, etc. Not
to mention staging things like a lunar lander (bonus if the ascent stage is
reusable in whatever Altair plus version is developed) to the surface-if
that's the plan to get to the surface that NASA decides to go with. Souds
like a pretty decent launch rate in the first year or two before things
settle down.



On Sunday, September 23, 2012 11:19:31 PM UTC-7, Fred J. McCall wrote:
"Matt Wiser" wrote:

the cost to maintain launch facilties and workers for one launch a

year will be a killer.

Only if that pad can only handle the one launch system. If it can

handle others, everything gets a lot cheaper.

--

"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable

man persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore,

all progress depends on the unreasonable man."

--George Bernard Shaw

the nasa statement said launch rate of ONE per year.........

On Sep 23, 3:16*pm, wrote:
"Top NASA officials have picked a leading candidate
for the agency's next major mission: construction of
an outpost that would send astronauts farther from
Earth than they've ever been.

Called the gateway spacecraft, it would hover in orbit
on the far side of the moon, support a small crew and
function as a staging area for future missions to the
moon and Mars."

See:

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...sa-outpost-201...

The Earth-moon L1 is best suited for use as a gateway/oasis outpost,
although the Earth L2 would actually be best suited for the extended
storage of LOx and LH2, not that Venus L2 isn't cool enough for the
manned outpost/gateway.

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On 24/09/2012 8:16 AM, wrote:
"Top NASA officials have picked a leading candidate
for the agency's next major mission: construction of
an outpost that would send astronauts farther from
Earth than they've ever been.

Called the gateway spacecraft, it would hover in orbit
on the far side of the moon, support a small crew and
function as a staging area for future missions to the
moon and Mars."

See:

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...,1625900.story


Staging area?

Is it going to have fuel, provisions, spare parts, etc, that can be
supplied to spacecraft on their way through?

Looks more like a thin pretext for building and launching stuff.

Sylvia.

On Sep 30, 2:23*am, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 24/09/2012 8:16 AM, wrote:

"Top NASA officials have picked a leading candidate
for the agency's next major mission: construction of
an outpost that would send astronauts farther from
Earth than they've ever been.

Called the gateway spacecraft, it would hover in orbit
on the far side of the moon, support a small crew and
function as a staging area for future missions to the
moon and Mars."

See:

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...sa-outpost-201...

Staging area?

Is it going to have fuel, provisions, spare parts, etc, that can be
supplied to spacecraft on their way through?

Looks more like a thin pretext for building and launching stuff.

Sylvia.

The L1/L2 of our moon are ideally suited for use as an oasis outpost/
gateway.

The Earth-moon L1 makes the most sense.