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http://www.antcrc.utas.edu.au/~jason...v2_rocket.html "The V2 was the worlds first operational long range ballistic missile and was first deployed in September 1944. It had a range of 200 miles and rose to a height of 35 miles travelling at 3300 mph (5,280 kph), dropping to 1800 mph (2,880 kph) by the time it impacted." http://www.edwards.af.mil/history/do...ilestones.html "November 22, 1961 - Marine pilot Lt. Col. R.B. Robinson established a new official world absolute speed record at Edwards when he piloted a McDonnell F4H-1 (original designation of the F-4 Phantom II) to an average speed of 1,606.505 mph [2,570 kph]". "October 3, 1967 - AFFTC test pilot Maj. William J. "Pete" Knight piloted the modified X-15A-2 to a speed of Mach 6.7 (4,520 mph [7,232 kph]) and thereby recorded the top speed achieved in the X-15 program. The speed attained on this flight remains, to this day, the fastest that anyone has ever flown in an airplane." http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/modern_flight/mf35.htm "On July 28, 1976, an SR-71 set two world records for its class: an absolute speed record of 2,193.167 miles per hour [3,509 kph] and an absolute altitude record of 85,068.997 feet." Ed Cannon - - Austin, Texas, USA (Remove "donotspam".) |
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"Ed Cannon" wrote in message ... Troll food... Here's a list of scientific and technical journals which our friend claims he would give all of his money, or his life for, because he claims they don't exist... Smits, Alexander J., and Jean-Paul Dussauge. Turbulent shear layers in supersonic flow. Woodbury, N.Y., American Institute of Physics, c1996. 357 p. TL574.T8S63 1996 Bibliography: p. 321-347. Rom, Josef. High angle of attack aerodynamics: subsonic, transonic, and supersonic flows. New York, Springer-Verlag, c1992. 399 p. TL574.V6R66 1991 Includes bibliographical references. Li, Pei, Helmut Sobieczky, and Richard Seebass. Manual aerodynamic optimization of an oblique wing supersonic transport. Journal of aircraft, v. 36, Nov./Dec. 1999: 907-913. TL501.J63 Qin, N., Y. Zhu, and D. I. A. Poll. Surface suction on aerofoil aerodynamic characteristics at transonic speeds. Proceedings of the Institution of Mechanical Engineers. Part G, Aerospace engineering, v. 212, no. G5, 1998: 339-351. TJ1.P867 Steer, A. J., and M. V. Cook. Control and handling qualities considerations for an advanced supersonic transport aircraft. Aeronautical journal, v. 103, June 1999: 265-272. TL501.R7 Schneider, Steven P. Flight data for boundary-layer transition at hypersonic and supersonic speeds. Journal of spacecraft and rockets, v. 36, Jan./Feb. 1999: 8-20. Manning, Valerie Michelle. Large-scale design of supersonic aircraft via collaborative optimization. Ann Arbor, Mich., University Microfilms, 1999. UMI publication number 9943695 Collation of the original: 205 p. Thesis (doctoral)--Stanford University, 1999. C.F. Brown and F.E. McLean, "The Problem of Obtaining High Lift-Drag Ratios at Supersonic Speeds," Journal of the Aeronautical Sciences, Vol. 26, pp. 298-302, 1959. This is one of the first papers to discuss crossflow shock waves. Brown, C., McLean, F., and Klunker, E., "Theoretical and Experimental Studies of Cambered and Twisted Wings Optimized for Flight at Supersonic Speeds," Proc. of the 2nd International Congress of Aero. Sciences, Adv. In Aero. Sci., Vol 3, ed. T. von Karman, et.al., Pergamon Press, Oxford, 1962. A.W. Robins, O.A. Morris, and R.V. Harris, Jr., "Recent Research Results in the Aerodynamics of Supersonic Vehicles," AIAA Paper No. 65-717, Nov. 1965. M.R. Nichols, "Aerodynamics of Airframe-Engine Integration of Supersonic Aircraft," NASA TN D-3390, Aug. 1966. D.D. Baals, A.W. Robins, and R.V. Harris, Jr., "Aerodynamic Design Integration of Supersonic Aircraft," AIAA Paper 68-1018, Oct. 1968, and Journal of Aircraft, Vol. 7, No. 5, Sept/Oct. 1970, pp. 385-394. E. Bonner, "Expanding Role of Potential Theory in Supersonic Aircraft Design," Journal of Aircraft, Vol. 8, No. 5, May 1971, pp. 347-353. R.N. Herring, "Supercruise Fighter Aerodynamics," Design Conference Proceedings, Vol. 1, USAF/AFWAL, 1976. One of the most important design papers ever written. Much of the information is given without proof. Working out the the details for the insights presented here is a must for understanding configuration aerodynamics. R.L. Radkey, H.R. Welge, and R.L. Roensch, "Aerodynamic Design of a Mach 2.2 Supersonic Cruise Aircraft," AIAA Paper No. 76-955, Sept. 1976. L.T. Goodmanson and A. Sigalla, "The Next SST - What Will It Be?" AIAA Paper 77-797, July 1977. V.R. Mascitti, "A Preliminary Study of the Performance and Characteristics of a Supersonic Executive Aircraft," NASA TM 74055, Sept. 1977. B.R. Wright, F. Bruckman, and N.A. Radovcich, "Arrow Wings for Supersonic Cruise Aircraft," Journal of Aircraft, Vol. 15, No. 12, Dec. 1978, pp. 829-836. D. S. Miller and B.L. Shrout, "A Survey of Supersonic Aerodynamic Performance Methods Appropriate to Tactical Fighter Design and Analysis," NASA CP 2162, Oct. 1980. L.C. Squire, "Experimental Work on the Aerodynamics of Integrated Slender Wings for Supersonic Flight," Prog. in Aerospace Sci., Vol. 20, 1981, pp. 1-90. Describes the British work on planform/camber experiments supporting the Concorde program. And something he claims impossible, accomplished by a private venture... PRIVATE JET BREAKS SOUND BARRIER Scaled Composites of California flew their SpaceShipOne rocket-plane at Mach 1.2 to an altitude of 20,000 metres (68,000 feet). The company is run by Burt Rutan, who was behind the Voyager aircraft that flew non-stop around the world without refuelling in 1986. Analysts say that SpaceShipOne could reach space on a mission next year (04). It was in 1947, 56 years ago, that Chuck Yeager made the first supersonic flight in the Bell X-1 rocket under a US Government research programme. Since then, many supersonic aircraft have been developed. But all of them were produced by large aerospace companies, with extensive government backing. On the day of the 100th anniversary of the Wright brothers' 1903 flight, a small craft called SpaceShipOne demonstrated that supersonic flight is now possible by a small company working without government help. It also represents an important milestone in Scaled Composites' ambition to win the X-prize, to be awarded to the first non-governmental body to launch a manned spacecraft into space. From the Journal of the Brazilian Society of Mechanical Sciences: an article on "Three Dimensional Supersonic Flow Over a Spike Nosed Body of Revolution" http://www.scielo.br/scielo.php?scri...lng=en&nrm=iso Lots of supersonic and space travel articles, with footnotes indicating related scientific publications... http://history.nasa.gov/SP-4219/Contents.html There's lots more out there for an honestly open mind to discover... -- Stephen Home Page: stephmon.com Satellite Hunting: sathunt.com |
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"Ed Cannon" wrote in message ... Troll food... Here's a list of scientific and technical journals which our friend claims he would give all of his money, or his life for, because he claims they don't exist... Smits, Alexander J., and Jean-Paul Dussauge. Turbulent shear layers in supersonic flow. Woodbury, N.Y., American Institute of Physics, c1996. 357 p. TL574.T8S63 1996 Bibliography: p. 321-347. Rom, Josef. High angle of attack aerodynamics: subsonic, transonic, and supersonic flows. New York, Springer-Verlag, c1992. 399 p. TL574.V6R66 1991 Includes bibliographical references. Li, Pei, Helmut Sobieczky, and Richard Seebass. Manual aerodynamic optimization of an oblique wing supersonic transport. Journal of aircraft, v. 36, Nov./Dec. 1999: 907-913. TL501.J63 Qin, N., Y. Zhu, and D. I. A. Poll. Surface suction on aerofoil aerodynamic characteristics at transonic speeds. Proceedings of the Institution of Mechanical Engineers. Part G, Aerospace engineering, v. 212, no. G5, 1998: 339-351. TJ1.P867 Steer, A. J., and M. V. Cook. Control and handling qualities considerations for an advanced supersonic transport aircraft. Aeronautical journal, v. 103, June 1999: 265-272. TL501.R7 Schneider, Steven P. Flight data for boundary-layer transition at hypersonic and supersonic speeds. Journal of spacecraft and rockets, v. 36, Jan./Feb. 1999: 8-20. Manning, Valerie Michelle. Large-scale design of supersonic aircraft via collaborative optimization. Ann Arbor, Mich., University Microfilms, 1999. UMI publication number 9943695 Collation of the original: 205 p. Thesis (doctoral)--Stanford University, 1999. C.F. Brown and F.E. McLean, "The Problem of Obtaining High Lift-Drag Ratios at Supersonic Speeds," Journal of the Aeronautical Sciences, Vol. 26, pp. 298-302, 1959. This is one of the first papers to discuss crossflow shock waves. Brown, C., McLean, F., and Klunker, E., "Theoretical and Experimental Studies of Cambered and Twisted Wings Optimized for Flight at Supersonic Speeds," Proc. of the 2nd International Congress of Aero. Sciences, Adv. In Aero. Sci., Vol 3, ed. T. von Karman, et.al., Pergamon Press, Oxford, 1962. A.W. Robins, O.A. Morris, and R.V. Harris, Jr., "Recent Research Results in the Aerodynamics of Supersonic Vehicles," AIAA Paper No. 65-717, Nov. 1965. M.R. Nichols, "Aerodynamics of Airframe-Engine Integration of Supersonic Aircraft," NASA TN D-3390, Aug. 1966. D.D. Baals, A.W. Robins, and R.V. Harris, Jr., "Aerodynamic Design Integration of Supersonic Aircraft," AIAA Paper 68-1018, Oct. 1968, and Journal of Aircraft, Vol. 7, No. 5, Sept/Oct. 1970, pp. 385-394. E. Bonner, "Expanding Role of Potential Theory in Supersonic Aircraft Design," Journal of Aircraft, Vol. 8, No. 5, May 1971, pp. 347-353. R.N. Herring, "Supercruise Fighter Aerodynamics," Design Conference Proceedings, Vol. 1, USAF/AFWAL, 1976. One of the most important design papers ever written. Much of the information is given without proof. Working out the the details for the insights presented here is a must for understanding configuration aerodynamics. R.L. Radkey, H.R. Welge, and R.L. Roensch, "Aerodynamic Design of a Mach 2.2 Supersonic Cruise Aircraft," AIAA Paper No. 76-955, Sept. 1976. L.T. Goodmanson and A. Sigalla, "The Next SST - What Will It Be?" AIAA Paper 77-797, July 1977. V.R. Mascitti, "A Preliminary Study of the Performance and Characteristics of a Supersonic Executive Aircraft," NASA TM 74055, Sept. 1977. B.R. Wright, F. Bruckman, and N.A. Radovcich, "Arrow Wings for Supersonic Cruise Aircraft," Journal of Aircraft, Vol. 15, No. 12, Dec. 1978, pp. 829-836. D. S. Miller and B.L. Shrout, "A Survey of Supersonic Aerodynamic Performance Methods Appropriate to Tactical Fighter Design and Analysis," NASA CP 2162, Oct. 1980. L.C. Squire, "Experimental Work on the Aerodynamics of Integrated Slender Wings for Supersonic Flight," Prog. in Aerospace Sci., Vol. 20, 1981, pp. 1-90. Describes the British work on planform/camber experiments supporting the Concorde program. And something he claims impossible, accomplished by a private venture... PRIVATE JET BREAKS SOUND BARRIER Scaled Composites of California flew their SpaceShipOne rocket-plane at Mach 1.2 to an altitude of 20,000 metres (68,000 feet). The company is run by Burt Rutan, who was behind the Voyager aircraft that flew non-stop around the world without refuelling in 1986. Analysts say that SpaceShipOne could reach space on a mission next year (04). It was in 1947, 56 years ago, that Chuck Yeager made the first supersonic flight in the Bell X-1 rocket under a US Government research programme. Since then, many supersonic aircraft have been developed. But all of them were produced by large aerospace companies, with extensive government backing. On the day of the 100th anniversary of the Wright brothers' 1903 flight, a small craft called SpaceShipOne demonstrated that supersonic flight is now possible by a small company working without government help. It also represents an important milestone in Scaled Composites' ambition to win the X-prize, to be awarded to the first non-governmental body to launch a manned spacecraft into space. From the Journal of the Brazilian Society of Mechanical Sciences: an article on "Three Dimensional Supersonic Flow Over a Spike Nosed Body of Revolution" http://www.scielo.br/scielo.php?scri...lng=en&nrm=iso Lots of supersonic and space travel articles, with footnotes indicating related scientific publications... http://history.nasa.gov/SP-4219/Contents.html There's lots more out there for an honestly open mind to discover... -- Stephen Home Page: stephmon.com Satellite Hunting: sathunt.com |
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"Skywise" wrote in message . 125.206... (Ed Cannon) wrote in : Troll food... Here's one way to prove to this idiot that something can go faster than sound. All he has to do is stand next to the target downrange from a high powered rifle being fired. I'd then like to hear his explanation of how he can hear the bullet hitting the target next to him BEFORE he hears the sound of the gun being fired. Or better, a shell from a large gun (like a HARP, for instance which fires an 150kg projectile at 12,960kph). I don't think our friend has trouble with bullets going supersonic. He has decided, based on the max velocities for various objects, that the maximum speed goes down (regardless of method, or duration of propulsion, unfortunately for his logic) as mass increases. So, if I'm reading his mumbling correctly, no object larger than 1kg can break the sound barrier. I think he may have even given concessions that allow larger objects to surpass the speed momentarily (his way of allowing for sonic booms, I gather), but he's claiming that such speeds cannot be sustained, nor surpassed by very much. When sane people heap examples on him, he usually vanishes for a while. The first time I saw him in a NG, he was betting all his money and even his life, that if someone would board the SST and fly transatlantic, they would find that their watches would indicate that they had not actually flown faster than sound. He ties the speed of the SST into the speed of the rotation of the Earth (another big hole in his logic) and claims that this somehow proves that the SST can only fly /nearly/ the speed of sound and then, only in one direction (relative to the speed of the Earth's rotation, or some nonsense). -- Stephen Home Page: stephmon.com Satellite Hunting: sathunt.com |
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"Skywise" wrote in message . 125.206... (Ed Cannon) wrote in : Troll food... Here's one way to prove to this idiot that something can go faster than sound. All he has to do is stand next to the target downrange from a high powered rifle being fired. I'd then like to hear his explanation of how he can hear the bullet hitting the target next to him BEFORE he hears the sound of the gun being fired. Or better, a shell from a large gun (like a HARP, for instance which fires an 150kg projectile at 12,960kph). I don't think our friend has trouble with bullets going supersonic. He has decided, based on the max velocities for various objects, that the maximum speed goes down (regardless of method, or duration of propulsion, unfortunately for his logic) as mass increases. So, if I'm reading his mumbling correctly, no object larger than 1kg can break the sound barrier. I think he may have even given concessions that allow larger objects to surpass the speed momentarily (his way of allowing for sonic booms, I gather), but he's claiming that such speeds cannot be sustained, nor surpassed by very much. When sane people heap examples on him, he usually vanishes for a while. The first time I saw him in a NG, he was betting all his money and even his life, that if someone would board the SST and fly transatlantic, they would find that their watches would indicate that they had not actually flown faster than sound. He ties the speed of the SST into the speed of the rotation of the Earth (another big hole in his logic) and claims that this somehow proves that the SST can only fly /nearly/ the speed of sound and then, only in one direction (relative to the speed of the Earth's rotation, or some nonsense). -- Stephen Home Page: stephmon.com Satellite Hunting: sathunt.com |
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