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Robert J. Kolker wrote:
And they only cost $400,000,000 apiece. What a bargain! And how much new technology is spinning off of that effort? Wouldn't it be nice if our space effort actually paid for itself? That's a buck forty or so per lander, per person in the United States. It's not extraordinarily cheap, but we've seen what NASA does with cheap, and sorry, no thank you. Although it would be commendable if the space effort paid for itself, I think it is unreasonable to expect it to do so. It is an exploratory effort. In my opinion, we need some basic science research that cannot be expected to yield results--certainly not monetary results--until far down the road. If we only conducted efforts that had an expectation of monetary return, we would stultify ourselves as a people. Brian Tung The Astronomy Corner at http://astro.isi.edu/ Unofficial C5+ Home Page at http://astro.isi.edu/c5plus/ The PleiadAtlas Home Page at http://astro.isi.edu/pleiadatlas/ My Own Personal FAQ (SAA) at http://astro.isi.edu/reference/faq.txt |
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Nova (PBS) Tuesday - EXCELLENT Program
Robert J. Kolker wrote:
And they only cost $400,000,000 apiece. What a bargain! And how much new technology is spinning off of that effort? Wouldn't it be nice if our space effort actually paid for itself? That's a buck forty or so per lander, per person in the United States. It's not extraordinarily cheap, but we've seen what NASA does with cheap, and sorry, no thank you. Although it would be commendable if the space effort paid for itself, I think it is unreasonable to expect it to do so. It is an exploratory effort. In my opinion, we need some basic science research that cannot be expected to yield results--certainly not monetary results--until far down the road. If we only conducted efforts that had an expectation of monetary return, we would stultify ourselves as a people. Brian Tung The Astronomy Corner at http://astro.isi.edu/ Unofficial C5+ Home Page at http://astro.isi.edu/c5plus/ The PleiadAtlas Home Page at http://astro.isi.edu/pleiadatlas/ My Own Personal FAQ (SAA) at http://astro.isi.edu/reference/faq.txt |
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Nova (PBS) Tuesday - EXCELLENT Program
Robert J. Kolker wrote:
And they only cost $400,000,000 apiece. What a bargain! And how much new technology is spinning off of that effort? Wouldn't it be nice if our space effort actually paid for itself? That's a buck forty or so per lander, per person in the United States. It's not extraordinarily cheap, but we've seen what NASA does with cheap, and sorry, no thank you. Although it would be commendable if the space effort paid for itself, I think it is unreasonable to expect it to do so. It is an exploratory effort. In my opinion, we need some basic science research that cannot be expected to yield results--certainly not monetary results--until far down the road. If we only conducted efforts that had an expectation of monetary return, we would stultify ourselves as a people. Brian Tung The Astronomy Corner at http://astro.isi.edu/ Unofficial C5+ Home Page at http://astro.isi.edu/c5plus/ The PleiadAtlas Home Page at http://astro.isi.edu/pleiadatlas/ My Own Personal FAQ (SAA) at http://astro.isi.edu/reference/faq.txt |
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Brian Tung wrote: Robert J. Kolker wrote: And they only cost $400,000,000 apiece. What a bargain! And how much new technology is spinning off of that effort? Wouldn't it be nice if our space effort actually paid for itself? That's a buck forty or so per lander, per person in the United States. It's not extraordinarily cheap, but we've seen what NASA does with cheap, and sorry, no thank you. You neglect to say the buck forty was taken whether or not the person gave a damn about landing on Mars. Unless this is somehow related to our national defense or keeping order in our land, I would say this is flat out theft. Although it would be commendable if the space effort paid for itself, I think it is unreasonable to expect it to do so. You prefer theft? It is an exploratory effort. In my opinion, we need some basic science research that cannot be expected to yield results--certainly not monetary results--until far down the road. If we only conducted efforts that had an expectation of monetary return, we would stultify ourselves as a people. At least we would not indulge in plunder of our own folk. If an effort is so valuable I am sure the money can be raised in a voluntary fashion. Any tax that is not earmarked for our defense or our safety if plunder and redistribution. Governments are established to protect the lives and property of the people who ordain them. Governments are not supposed to be charitable with other people's money. Bob Kolker |
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Nova (PBS) Tuesday - EXCELLENT Program
Brian Tung wrote: Robert J. Kolker wrote: And they only cost $400,000,000 apiece. What a bargain! And how much new technology is spinning off of that effort? Wouldn't it be nice if our space effort actually paid for itself? That's a buck forty or so per lander, per person in the United States. It's not extraordinarily cheap, but we've seen what NASA does with cheap, and sorry, no thank you. You neglect to say the buck forty was taken whether or not the person gave a damn about landing on Mars. Unless this is somehow related to our national defense or keeping order in our land, I would say this is flat out theft. Although it would be commendable if the space effort paid for itself, I think it is unreasonable to expect it to do so. You prefer theft? It is an exploratory effort. In my opinion, we need some basic science research that cannot be expected to yield results--certainly not monetary results--until far down the road. If we only conducted efforts that had an expectation of monetary return, we would stultify ourselves as a people. At least we would not indulge in plunder of our own folk. If an effort is so valuable I am sure the money can be raised in a voluntary fashion. Any tax that is not earmarked for our defense or our safety if plunder and redistribution. Governments are established to protect the lives and property of the people who ordain them. Governments are not supposed to be charitable with other people's money. Bob Kolker |
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Brian Tung wrote: Robert J. Kolker wrote: And they only cost $400,000,000 apiece. What a bargain! And how much new technology is spinning off of that effort? Wouldn't it be nice if our space effort actually paid for itself? That's a buck forty or so per lander, per person in the United States. It's not extraordinarily cheap, but we've seen what NASA does with cheap, and sorry, no thank you. You neglect to say the buck forty was taken whether or not the person gave a damn about landing on Mars. Unless this is somehow related to our national defense or keeping order in our land, I would say this is flat out theft. Although it would be commendable if the space effort paid for itself, I think it is unreasonable to expect it to do so. You prefer theft? It is an exploratory effort. In my opinion, we need some basic science research that cannot be expected to yield results--certainly not monetary results--until far down the road. If we only conducted efforts that had an expectation of monetary return, we would stultify ourselves as a people. At least we would not indulge in plunder of our own folk. If an effort is so valuable I am sure the money can be raised in a voluntary fashion. Any tax that is not earmarked for our defense or our safety if plunder and redistribution. Governments are established to protect the lives and property of the people who ordain them. Governments are not supposed to be charitable with other people's money. Bob Kolker |
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Nova (PBS) Tuesday - EXCELLENT Program
Robert J. Kolker wrote:
At least we would not indulge in plunder of our own folk. If an effort is so valuable I am sure the money can be raised in a voluntary fashion. I suspect the reason for our disagreement on this point is largely political, but I do want to point out that humans are notoriously shortsighted. If the horizon for the return is on the order of a human lifetime, I don't think we can rely on privatization to do the right thing. The U.S. public's perception of science is terribly poor. On the rest of the points, I will simply say: Yes, I would prefer it that way. You do not. That's fine; we have elections to resolve this kind of thing. Brian Tung The Astronomy Corner at http://astro.isi.edu/ Unofficial C5+ Home Page at http://astro.isi.edu/c5plus/ The PleiadAtlas Home Page at http://astro.isi.edu/pleiadatlas/ My Own Personal FAQ (SAA) at http://astro.isi.edu/reference/faq.txt |
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Nova (PBS) Tuesday - EXCELLENT Program
Robert J. Kolker wrote:
At least we would not indulge in plunder of our own folk. If an effort is so valuable I am sure the money can be raised in a voluntary fashion. I suspect the reason for our disagreement on this point is largely political, but I do want to point out that humans are notoriously shortsighted. If the horizon for the return is on the order of a human lifetime, I don't think we can rely on privatization to do the right thing. The U.S. public's perception of science is terribly poor. On the rest of the points, I will simply say: Yes, I would prefer it that way. You do not. That's fine; we have elections to resolve this kind of thing. Brian Tung The Astronomy Corner at http://astro.isi.edu/ Unofficial C5+ Home Page at http://astro.isi.edu/c5plus/ The PleiadAtlas Home Page at http://astro.isi.edu/pleiadatlas/ My Own Personal FAQ (SAA) at http://astro.isi.edu/reference/faq.txt |
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Nova (PBS) Tuesday - EXCELLENT Program
Robert J. Kolker wrote:
At least we would not indulge in plunder of our own folk. If an effort is so valuable I am sure the money can be raised in a voluntary fashion. I suspect the reason for our disagreement on this point is largely political, but I do want to point out that humans are notoriously shortsighted. If the horizon for the return is on the order of a human lifetime, I don't think we can rely on privatization to do the right thing. The U.S. public's perception of science is terribly poor. On the rest of the points, I will simply say: Yes, I would prefer it that way. You do not. That's fine; we have elections to resolve this kind of thing. Brian Tung The Astronomy Corner at http://astro.isi.edu/ Unofficial C5+ Home Page at http://astro.isi.edu/c5plus/ The PleiadAtlas Home Page at http://astro.isi.edu/pleiadatlas/ My Own Personal FAQ (SAA) at http://astro.isi.edu/reference/faq.txt |
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Nova (PBS) Tuesday - EXCELLENT Program
On Mon, 05 Jan 2004 05:30:33 GMT, "Robert J. Kolker"
wrote: That's a buck forty or so per lander, per person in the United States. It's not extraordinarily cheap, but we've seen what NASA does with cheap, and sorry, no thank you. You neglect to say the buck forty was taken whether or not the person gave a damn about landing on Mars. Unless this is somehow related to our national defense or keeping order in our land, I would say this is flat out theft. I, for one, am not happy with how they're mis-spending my money in pursuit of national defense nor domestic order, but I can't do any more about it than you can do about the Mars missions. At least you could, if you choose, enjoy the exploration, which is more than I can do with the fascism. |
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