Green 'drivel' exposed by godfather of global warming James Lovelock

On 6/24/2012 12:07 AM, Fredric L. Rice wrote:
Thad wrote:

(4) Finally, about claims "the science is settled" on global warming: "One
thing that being a scientist has taught me is that you can never be
certain about anything.

Yeah, the Sun really could orbit the Earth, huh, you ****ing insane
right wing Christian loon?

How can a person posting as "Ph.D." actually be this ****ing stupid
about science?

1. The "Ph.D." a lie.
2. Got the degree online from one of those fake degree places.
3. It's a degree in "political science".
4. Got it at Oral Roberts University and has been bitter as hell ever
since because the MIT grads get all the non-janitorial jobs!

So you are saying it's "impossible" for the sun to orbit the earth? Not
only do you not understand that concept, but you also seem unaware that
such a statement is the mathematical equivalent to saying "I'm a moron".

And to top off your incredible lack of intellect, you call James Ephraim
Lovelock, CH, CBE, FRS, Ph.D, The "Godfather" of global warming, a
"****ing insane right wing Christian loon"? What an absolutely
incredible display of ignorance, political ineptitude, and just plain
bad manners.

Obviously your degree is NOT in political science, library science, or
even football officiating.

On 6/23/2012 9:07 PM, Fredric L. Rice wrote:
Thad Floryan wrote:

(4) Finally, about claims "the science is settled" on global warming: "One
thing that being a scientist has taught me is that you can never be
certain about anything.

Yeah, the Sun really could orbit the Earth, huh, you ****ing insane
right wing Christian loon?

It would seem you're the blind ignoramus. I did NOT write the above,
that's a quote from Lovelock per this article:

http://www.torontosun.com/2012/06/22/green-drivel

Green ‘drivel’ exposed
The godfather of global warming lowers the boom on climate change hysteria
Lorrie Goldstein, Toronto Sun Saturday, June 23, 2012 03:45 PM EDT

Two months ago, James Lovelock, the godfather of global warming, gave a
startling interview to msnbc.com in which he acknowledged he had been
unduly "alarmist" about climate change.

The implications were extraordinary.

Lovelock is a world-renowned scientist and environmentalist whose Gaia
theory -- that the Earth operates as a single, living organism-- has had a
profound impact on the development of global warming theory.

Unlike many "environmentalists," who have degrees in political science,
Lovelock, until his recent retirement at age 92, was a much-honoured
working scientist and academic.

His inventions have been used by NASA, among many other scientific
organizations.

Lovelock’s invention of the electron capture detector in 1957 first
enabled scientists to measure CFCs (chlorofluorocarbons) and other
pollutants in the atmosphere, leading, in many ways, to the birth of the
modern environmental movement.

Having observed that global temperatures since the turn of the millennium
have not gone up in the way computer-based climate models predicted,
Lovelock acknowledged, "the problem is we don’t know what the climate is
doing. We thought we knew 20 years ago." Now, Lovelock has given a
follow-up interview to the UK’s Guardian newspaper in which he delivers
more bombshells sure to anger the global green movement, which for years
worshipped his Gaia theory and apocalyptic predictions that billions would
die from man-made climate change by the end of this century.

Lovelock still believes anthropogenic global warming is occurring and that
mankind must lower its greenhouse gas emissions, but says it’s now clear
the doomsday predictions, including his own (and Al Gore’s) were
incorrect.

He responds to attacks on his revised views by noting that, unlike many
climate scientists who fear a loss of government funding if they admit
error, as a freelance scientist, he’s never been afraid to revise his
theories in the face of new evidence. Indeed, that’s how science advances.

Among his observations to the Guardian:

(1) A long-time supporter of nuclear power as a way to lower greenhouse
gas emissions, which has made him unpopular with environmentalists,
Lovelock has now come out in favour of natural gas fracking (which
environmentalists also oppose), as a low-polluting alternative to coal.

As Lovelock observes, "Gas is almost a give-away in the U.S. at the
moment. They’ve gone for fracking in a big way. This is what makes me very
cross with the greens for trying to knock it ... Let’s be pragmatic and
sensible and get Britain to switch everything to methane. We should be
going mad on it." (Kandeh Yumkella, co-head of a major United Nations
program on sustainable energy, made similar arguments last week at a UN
environmental conference in Rio de Janeiro, advocating the development of
conventional and unconventional natural gas resources as a way to reduce
deforestation and save millions of lives in the Third World.)

(2) Lovelock blasted greens for treating global warming like a religion.

"It just so happens that the green religion is now taking over from the
Christian religion," Lovelock observed. "I don’t think people have noticed
that, but it’s got all the sort of terms that religions use ... The greens
use guilt. That just shows how religious greens are. You can’t win people
round by saying they are guilty for putting (carbon dioxide) in the air."

(3) Lovelock mocks the idea modern economies can be powered by wind turbines.

As he puts it, "so-called ‘sustainable development’ ... is meaningless
drivel ... We rushed into renewable energy without any thought. The schemes
are largely hopelessly inefficient and unpleasant. I personally can’t
stand windmills at any price."

(4) Finally, about claims "the science is settled" on global warming: "One
thing that being a scientist has taught me is that you can never be
certain about anything. You never know the truth. You can only approach it
and hope to get a bit nearer to it each time. You iterate towards the
truth. You don’t know it."

On 6/23/2012 9:07 PM, Fredric L. Rice wrote:
Thad Floryan wrote:

(4) Finally, about claims "the science is settled" on global warming: "One
thing that being a scientist has taught me is that you can never be
certain about anything.

Yeah, the Sun really could orbit the Earth, huh, you ****ing insane
right wing Christian loon?

You licking Worm Spamley's ass again after he attempted to divert
this thread to something about nukes? You two clowns are the insane
loons.

On 6/23/12 11:39 PM, Thad Floryan wrote:
It would seem you're the blind ignoramus.


Some background information from the American Institute of Physics,
American Physical Society, etc.


The Carbon Dioxide Greenhouse Effect
http://www.aip.org/history/climate/co2.htm

CO2 and its effect on climate
http://scienceofdoom.com/roadmap/co2/

APS: A Tutorial on the Basic Physics of Climate Change
http://www.aps.org/units/fps/newslet...afemeister.cfm


Then there is the evidence for AGW.


Anthropogenic and natural warming inferred from changes in Earth's energy balance
http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/v.../ngeo1327.html

Study of True Global Warming Signal Finds Remarkably Steady Rate of Manmade Warming since 1979
http://thinkprogress.org/romm/2011/1...nmade-warming/
http://berkeleyearth.org/faq

The Scientific Case for Modern Anthropogenic Global Warming
http://monthlyreview.org/2008/07/01/...global-warming

Empirical evidence that humans are causing global warming
http://www.skepticalscience.com/empi...al-warming.htm


Finally the radiative forcings give a good picture of
what is driving global warming.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...rcings.svg.png
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiative_forcing

On 6/23/12 11:43 PM, Thad Floryan wrote:


You licking Worm Spamley's ass again after he attempted to divert
this thread to something about nukes? You two clowns are the insane
loons.

There are some troubling signs coming from climate science, Thad.

The Last Great Global Warming
http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...global-warming

Rob Dunbar: The threat of ocean acidification
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evfgbVjb688

Ocean acidification on track to be among the worst of the last 300 million years
http://arstechnica.com/science/news/...lion-years.ars

Global Warming Leads to 150,000 Deaths Every Year
http://environment.about.com/od/glob.../gw_deaths.htm

Climate Armageddon: How the World's Weather Could Quickly Run Amok [Excerpt]
http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...ickly-run-amok

Physics Today | Humans may be driving Earth toward catastrophe
http://blogs.physicstoday.org/newspi...d-catastrophe/

Climate MADness
http://thebulletin.org/web-edition/c...limate-madness

Approaching a state shift in Earth's biosphere
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal...ture11018.html

"Sam Wormley" wrote in message
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On 6/23/12 11:43 PM, Thad Floryan wrote:


You licking Worm Spamley's ass again after he attempted to divert
this thread to something about nukes? You two clowns are the insane
loons.

There are some troubling signs coming from climate science, Thad.

Yes Sam, troubling signs!

Signs that hubris and greed are STILL major drivers in "science". Just as
Lavoisier observed over two hundred years ago.

In sci.physics Sam Wormley wrote:
On 6/23/12 11:43 PM, Thad Floryan wrote:


You licking Worm Spamley's ass again after he attempted to divert
this thread to something about nukes? You two clowns are the insane
loons.

There are some troubling signs coming from climate science, Thad.

No "troubling signs"; just Chicken Little, arm waving, puerile nonsense
from "climate science", ass hat.

On Sun, 24 Jun 2012 00:02:21 -0500, Sam Wormley
wrote:

There are some troubling signs coming from climate science, Thad.

You can't argue science with science deniers. They can only be helped
by mental health professionals, and since they don't seek help,
nothing will change.

Thad Floryan wrote:
On 6/23/2012 9:07 PM, Fredric L. Rice wrote:
Thad Floryan wrote:
(4) Finally, about claims "the science is settled" on global warming: "One
thing that being a scientist has taught me is that you can never be
certain about anything.
Yeah, the Sun really could orbit the Earth, huh, you ****ing insane
right wing Christian loon?
It would seem you're the blind ignoramus. I did NOT write the above,

Then why did you quote it, you ****ing right wing cultloon?

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Thought not. ;-)