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Old October 11th 18, 07:54 AM posted to sci.space.policy
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Default There’s a new report on SLS rocket management, and it’s pretty brutal

"Boeing has been building the core stage of NASA's Space Launch System rocket
for the better part of this decade, and the process has not always gone
smoothly, with significant overruns and multiyear delays. A new report from
NASA's inspector general makes clear just how badly the development process has
gone, laying the blame mostly at the feet of Boeing.

"We found Boeing’s poor performance is the main reason for the significant cost
increases and schedule delays to developing the SLS core stage," the report,
signed by NASA Inspector General Paul Martin, states. "Specifically, the
project’s cost and schedule issues stem primarily from management, technical,
and infrastructure issues directly related to Boeing’s performance."

As of August 2018, the report says, NASA has spent a total of $11.9 billion on
the SLS. Even so, the rocket's critical core stage will be delivered more than
three years later than initially planned—at double the anticipated cost.
Overall, there are a number of top-line findings in this report, which cast a
mostly if not completely negative light on Boeing and, to a lesser extent, NASA
and its most expensive spaceflight project."

See:

https://arstechnica.com/science/2018...pretty-brutal/
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Old October 11th 18, 10:36 AM posted to sci.space.policy
Jeff Findley[_6_]
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Default There?s a new report on SLS rocket management, and it?s pretty brutal

In article ,
says...

"Boeing has been building the core stage of NASA's Space Launch System rocket
for the better part of this decade, and the process has not always gone
smoothly, with significant overruns and multiyear delays. A new report from
NASA's inspector general makes clear just how badly the development process has
gone, laying the blame mostly at the feet of Boeing.

"We found Boeing?s poor performance is the main reason for the significant cost
increases and schedule delays to developing the SLS core stage," the report,
signed by NASA Inspector General Paul Martin, states. "Specifically, the
project?s cost and schedule issues stem primarily from management, technical,
and infrastructure issues directly related to Boeing?s performance."

As of August 2018, the report says, NASA has spent a total of $11.9 billion on
the SLS. Even so, the rocket's critical core stage will be delivered more than
three years later than initially planned?at double the anticipated cost.
Overall, there are a number of top-line findings in this report, which cast a
mostly if not completely negative light on Boeing and, to a lesser extent, NASA
and its most expensive spaceflight project."

See:

https://arstechnica.com/science/2018...pretty-brutal/

So, we've spent $12 billion so far on SLS with zero to show for it.
Brilliant!

You missed this bit:

"We question nearly $64 million in award fees provided to Boeing
since 2012 for the 'very good' and 'excellent' performance ratings
it received while the SLS Program was experiencing substantial
cost increases, technical issues, and schedule delays," the
report states.

So the schedule keeps slipping due to their under-performance, but they
have gotten performance bonuses which amount to more than the cost of a
Falcon 9 flight!


Maybe a year ago, I quit the Space Hipsters Facebook group out of
disgust after being in it for a few months. You couldn't reason with
them using actual facts.

Yesterday, I read on another Facebook group that after an article about
this report was posted to the Space Hipsters group that the thread was
first locked then it was completely deleted! Those guys can't even take
constructive criticism when it's signed by NASA's own Inspector
General!!!

Note that this is the same group of people that that loves to call
SpaceX supporters "fanboys" and bashes SpaceX's slipping schedules any
chance they get. They never reprimand anyone who's personally attacking
a SpaceX "fanboy". But, apparently the slipping of SLS is just A.O.K.!
Friggin "old space" hypocrites.

I'm not young by any stretch of the imgaination, but I know a pork laden
pig when I see one (looking straight at you SLS).

Jeff
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Old October 11th 18, 12:01 PM posted to sci.space.policy
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Default There?s a new report on SLS rocket management, and it?s pretty brutal

Jeff Findley wrote on Thu, 11 Oct 2018
05:36:39 -0400:


Maybe a year ago, I quit the Space Hipsters Facebook group out of
disgust after being in it for a few months. You couldn't reason with
them using actual facts.


Makes me glad it's a group I've never come across.


Yesterday, I read on another Facebook group that after an article about
this report was posted to the Space Hipsters group that the thread was
first locked then it was completely deleted! Those guys can't even take
constructive criticism when it's signed by NASA's own Inspector
General!!!

Note that this is the same group of people that that loves to call
SpaceX supporters "fanboys" and bashes SpaceX's slipping schedules any
chance they get. They never reprimand anyone who's personally attacking
a SpaceX "fanboy". But, apparently the slipping of SLS is just A.O.K.!
Friggin "old space" hypocrites.

I'm not young by any stretch of the imgaination, but I know a pork laden
pig when I see one (looking straight at you SLS).


Hey, I'm old. But the proof is in the pudding and SpaceX has been
pudding it to ULA and 'space business as usual' for a while now.


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What you do
When it counts.
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Old October 11th 18, 01:23 PM posted to sci.space.policy
Alain Fournier[_3_]
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Default There?s a new report on SLS rocket management, and it?s prettybrutal

On Oct./11/2018 at 05:36, Jeff Findley wrote :

I'm not young by any stretch of the imgaination


You're not young? I am, but I must admit that I have been young for a
very long time now. :-)


Alain Fournier
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Old October 11th 18, 02:14 PM posted to sci.space.policy
Greg \(Strider\) Moore
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Default There’s a new report on SLS rocket management, and it’s pretty brutal

wrote in message
...

"Boeing has been building the core stage of NASA's Space Launch System
rocket
for the better part of this decade, and the process has not always gone
smoothly, with significant overruns and multiyear delays. A new report from
NASA's inspector general makes clear just how badly the development process
has
gone, laying the blame mostly at the feet of Boeing.

"We found Boeing’s poor performance is the main reason for the significant
cost
increases and schedule delays to developing the SLS core stage," the
report,
signed by NASA Inspector General Paul Martin, states. "Specifically, the
project’s cost and schedule issues stem primarily from management,
technical,
and infrastructure issues directly related to Boeing’s performance."

As of August 2018, the report says, NASA has spent a total of $11.9 billion
on
the SLS. Even so, the rocket's critical core stage will be delivered more
than
three years later than initially planned—at double the anticipated cost.
Overall, there are a number of top-line findings in this report, which cast
a
mostly if not completely negative light on Boeing and, to a lesser extent,
NASA
and its most expensive spaceflight project."

See:

https://arstechnica.com/science/2018...pretty-brutal/


Please, someone put this out of our misery already.

What a ****ing waste of money.


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Old October 11th 18, 02:17 PM posted to sci.space.policy
Greg \(Strider\) Moore
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Default There?s a new report on SLS rocket management, and it?s pretty brutal

"Jeff Findley" wrote in message
...

In article ,
says...

"Boeing has been building the core stage of NASA's Space Launch System
rocket
for the better part of this decade, and the process has not always gone
smoothly, with significant overruns and multiyear delays. A new report
from
NASA's inspector general makes clear just how badly the development
process has
gone, laying the blame mostly at the feet of Boeing.

"We found Boeing?s poor performance is the main reason for the
significant cost
increases and schedule delays to developing the SLS core stage," the
report,
signed by NASA Inspector General Paul Martin, states. "Specifically, the
project?s cost and schedule issues stem primarily from management,
technical,
and infrastructure issues directly related to Boeing?s performance."

As of August 2018, the report says, NASA has spent a total of $11.9
billion on
the SLS. Even so, the rocket's critical core stage will be delivered more
than
three years later than initially planned?at double the anticipated cost.
Overall, there are a number of top-line findings in this report, which
cast a
mostly if not completely negative light on Boeing and, to a lesser
extent, NASA
and its most expensive spaceflight project."

See:

https://arstechnica.com/science/2018...pretty-brutal/


So, we've spent $12 billion so far on SLS with zero to show for it.
Brilliant!

You missed this bit:

"We question nearly $64 million in award fees provided to Boeing
since 2012 for the 'very good' and 'excellent' performance ratings
it received while the SLS Program was experiencing substantial
cost increases, technical issues, and schedule delays," the
report states.

So the schedule keeps slipping due to their under-performance, but they
have gotten performance bonuses which amount to more than the cost of a
Falcon 9 flight!


Maybe a year ago, I quit the Space Hipsters Facebook group out of
disgust after being in it for a few months. You couldn't reason with
them using actual facts.

Yesterday, I read on another Facebook group that after an article about
this report was posted to the Space Hipsters group that the thread was
first locked then it was completely deleted! Those guys can't even take
constructive criticism when it's signed by NASA's own Inspector
General!!!

Note that this is the same group of people that that loves to call
SpaceX supporters "fanboys" and bashes SpaceX's slipping schedules any
chance they get. They never reprimand anyone who's personally attacking
a SpaceX "fanboy". But, apparently the slipping of SLS is just A.O.K.!
Friggin "old space" hypocrites.

I'm not young by any stretch of the imgaination, but I know a pork laden
pig when I see one (looking straight at you SLS).

Jeff


I think it all comes down to folks wanting to (re)live (since many weren't
alive then) the days of the Saturn V in all its power and glory.
They don't really care about access to space, but the size of the rocket.

I think SLS, unless outright cancelled, will still fly before BFR+BFS, but
if only so NASA and Boeing can claim a "success".
But that's a close call.I can see SpaceX beating them to the punch.
And THEN we'll have effective access to space.

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IT Disaster Response -
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Old October 15th 18, 05:15 AM posted to sci.space.policy
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Default There’s a new report on SLS rocket management, and it’s pretty brutal

When your highest priority is astronaut safety, SLS (so far) has been
100% successful. Ground crew? Well maybe that's not NASA's highest
priority. But so far, so good.

/sarc

Dave

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Old October 15th 18, 08:40 AM posted to sci.space.policy
Fred J. McCall[_3_]
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Default There's a new report on SLS rocket management, and it'spretty brutal

David Spain wrote on Mon, 15 Oct 2018 00:15:43
-0400:


When your highest priority is astronaut safety, ...


You don't use solid rockets.


... SLS (so far) has been 100% successful.


It's easy to be 'safe' when you've never launched.


Ground crew? Well maybe that's not NASA's highest
priority. But so far, so good.


So NASA could just burn the money in the name of safety. :-)


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live in the real world."
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