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Old September 18th 17, 02:56 AM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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On Sunday, September 17, 2017 at 6:37:33 PM UTC-7, Bill wrote:
On Sun, 17 Sep 2017 14:41:37 -0700 (PDT), Gerald Kelleher wrote:

I am giving you all a chance to render into graphics or images the notion where mutual attraction converts into astronomical observations and orbital dynamics in Newton's words


So you alone can adjudicate the issue! You're just a manipulative jerk.


.... and that is being kind!
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Old September 18th 17, 07:01 AM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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On Monday, 18 September 2017 03:56:47 UTC+2, palsing wrote:
On Sunday, September 17, 2017 at 6:37:33 PM UTC-7, Bill wrote:
On Sun, 17 Sep 2017 14:41:37 -0700 (PDT), Gerald Kelleher wrote:

I am giving you all a chance to render into graphics or images the notion where mutual attraction converts into astronomical observations and orbital dynamics in Newton's words


So you alone can adjudicate the issue! You're just a manipulative jerk.


... and that is being kind!


Unfortunately kindness is not a common trait of this low achieving sociopath.
1461 hoped to become a pseudo-science, cult leader but his only real follower is the poor devil in his bathroom mirror.
It is not yet too late for him to post some "entertaining" YT videos to increase his potential audience.
But he seems happy to post on a forgotten board with a tiny head count of regulars.
Basically as close to anonymity, while still enjoying safety in numbers, as he could ever hope to achieve.
The only way down, from here, is posting his silly nonsense in a bottle and tossing it into the Atlantic without an address label.

Squake
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Old September 18th 17, 07:32 AM posted to sci.astro.amateur
Gerald Kelleher
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On Sunday, September 17, 2017 at 11:28:24 PM UTC+1, wrote:



double modelling? -- what's that about?


There is no budget in a Sun centered system for true/apparent motions or absolute/relative space and motion as Newton asserted. Any astronomer worthy of the name would simply recognize that a faster Earth overtaking the slower moving outer planets not only causes them to temporarily fall behind in view but also infers a stationary and central Sun -

https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap011220.html

The double modelling comes from a technical non sequitur where motions modeled from the Earth are apparent and modeled from the Sun are true -

"For to the earth planetary motions appear sometimes direct, sometimes
stationary, nay, and sometimes retrograde. But from the sun they are
always seen direct,..." Newton

The time lapse of the Earth overtaking Jupiter and Saturn and the easy way to interpret the motions obviates the need for the direct/retrograde loops which were the means by which Newton tried to create the impression of apparent motions seen from Earth -

https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap160915.html

Tricky I know but there is always the option to join the perpetually offended in this newsgroup as I go on to use more diagram, graphics and images to untangle theory from astronomy.


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Old September 18th 17, 04:12 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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Chris.B wrote:
On Monday, 18 September 2017 03:56:47 UTC+2, palsing wrote:
On Sunday, September 17, 2017 at 6:37:33 PM UTC-7, Bill wrote:
On Sun, 17 Sep 2017 14:41:37 -0700 (PDT), Gerald Kelleher wrote:

I am giving you all a chance to render into graphics or images the
notion where mutual attraction converts into astronomical observations
and orbital dynamics in Newton's words

So you alone can adjudicate the issue! You're just a manipulative jerk.


... and that is being kind!


Unfortunately kindness is not a common trait of this low achieving sociopath.
1461 hoped to become a pseudo-science, cult leader but his only real
follower is the poor devil in his bathroom mirror.
It is not yet too late for him to post some "entertaining" YT videos to
increase his potential audience.
But he seems happy to post on a forgotten board with a tiny head count of regulars.
Basically as close to anonymity, while still enjoying safety in numbers,
as he could ever hope to achieve.
The only way down, from here, is posting his silly nonsense in a bottle
and tossing it into the Atlantic without an address label.

Squake


He could try to break Brad Guth's record of a thread with more than a
hundred posts all replied to by only himself.


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Old September 18th 17, 06:02 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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On Monday, September 18, 2017 at 4:12:29 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins

Well's that's a first but I suppose the old Brit spite mentality would rather see the world blow up than admit they made poor decisions. Astronomy will eventually take flight once more in the hearts of humanity but not without a struggle to untangle it from the theorists who have turned space into a junkyard.
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Old September 18th 17, 07:44 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 15:12:26 -0000 (UTC), Mike Collins wrote:

He could try to break Brad Guth's record of a thread with more than a
hundred posts all replied to by only himself.


No matter how often, or how much, any of us reply to him - his audience
IS effectively zero. (been that way for quite some time). You'd think
it should have caused him to adopt a better strategy; but apparently it
hasn't concerned him.

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Old September 18th 17, 08:42 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
Gerald Kelleher
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On Monday, September 18, 2017 at 7:44:27 PM UTC+1, Bill wrote:
On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 15:12:26 -0000 (UTC), Mike Collins wrote:

He could try to break Brad Guth's record of a thread with more than a
hundred posts all replied to by only himself.


No matter how often, or how much, any of us reply to him - his audience
IS effectively zero. (been that way for quite some time). You'd think
it should have caused him to adopt a better strategy; but apparently it
hasn't concerned him.

--


My audience is fine and despite appearances some people have already adjusted, albeit awkwardly, to the partitioning between perspectives which separate the faster moving inner planets from the slower moving outer planets -

https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap160915.html

Unlike other threads you all get your chance to present images or graphics to support the opinion on mutual attraction otherwise called the 'universal theory of gravitation' by detailing how it applies to observations.Double modelling has already been explained in this thread so off you go.

Btw, the direct/retrograde motions of the inner planets are spectacular and altogether different that the perspective which governs the outer planets -

http://www.popastro.com/images/plane...ary%202012.jpg

To untangle theory from astronomy in order to allow humanity to appreciate observations seen from a moving Earth, a platform has been created ,audience or no audience. Moan away, in astronomical affairs few make it to adulthood.

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Old September 18th 17, 11:28 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 12:42:17 -0700 (PDT), Gerald Kelleher wrote:

Unlike other threads you all get your chance to present images or graphics to support the opinion on mutual attraction otherwise called the 'universal theory of gravitation' by detailing how it applies to observations.Double modelling has already been explained in this thread so off you go.


If we're going to "service" you, the least you could do is offer to pay
for folks time. If I were interested in your "chance" (I'm not
intersted), I'd require a $300(US) per hour and $2400.00 retainer.
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Old September 19th 17, 06:51 AM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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On Monday, September 18, 2017 at 8:42:21 PM UTC+1, Gerald Kelleher wrote:

Btw, the direct/retrograde motions of the inner planets are spectacular and altogether different that the perspective which governs the outer planets -


Mars is an inner planet and you are ridiculous.
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Old September 19th 17, 07:16 AM posted to sci.astro.amateur
Gerald Kelleher
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On Monday, September 18, 2017 at 11:28:22 PM UTC+1, Bill wrote:
On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 12:42:17 -0700 (PDT), Gerald Kelleher wrote:

Unlike other threads you all get your chance to present images or graphics to support the opinion on mutual attraction otherwise called the 'universal theory of gravitation' by detailing how it applies to observations.Double modelling has already been explained in this thread so off you go.


If we're going to "service" you, the least you could do is offer to pay
for folks time. If I were interested in your "chance" (I'm not
intersted), I'd require a $300(US) per hour and $2400.00 retainer.
--
Email address is a Spam trap.


The term 'amateur' in astronomy is a creative/productive one rather than who can afford magnification equipment so while many human endeavors place a value on creativity, in this instance it is not possible as we all share the same observations and conclusions. To this end Galileo wrote -

“You cannot teach a man anything, you can only help him find it within himself.” Galileo

If things were normal then people would simply enjoy that time lapse works for the slower moving outer planets while sequential imaging works better for the inner planets to convey the structure of the solar system -

https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/011...2000_tezel.gif

http://www.popastro.com/images/plane...ary%202012.jpg

You see, people already know what works and what doesn't even while no educational or space agency puts the narrative into an easy to understand format as I have done.



 




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