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...If You Were Given a Ticket to Mars, Would you Go? ...Not me!
Rand Simberg ) wrote:
: On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 05:15:09 GMT, in a place far, far away, Fred J. : McCall made the phosphor on my monitor glow in : such a way as to indicate that: : (Rand Simberg) wrote: : : :On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 18:21:59 GMT, in a place far, far away, Fred J. : :McCall made the phosphor on my monitor glow in : :such a way as to indicate that: : : : ::You've got to have something to do with the water first. : :: : :rink it, break it down and breathe it, use it for propellant. : : : :And who's doing all that? There's nobody up there, remember? All : :that funding went to paying people to send up water. : : : :Who said to use *all* the funding for that? : : Money you spend on one thing you cannot spend on another. : Who said otherwise? The fact remains that you can use some of the : money to purchase one kind of thing, and some of the money to purchase : another kind of thing. Do you spend all *your* money on one kind of : thing? : ::NASA could also purchase thousands of tickets to orbit, and thousands : :f cubic feet of habitable volume.. : : : :Except you can't plan a program betting on the come : : : :Of course you can. They simply choose not to. : : No, you can't. How do you make plans for a program when you have no : clue whether you will or will not have something? : You do have a clue. You know there are people capable of building : rockets, so if you provide them with a market, they'll satisfy it. What do you mean by 'provide'? How do you do that with space access? Think of the Internet and how it created markets once it was turned over to the private sector. Now think of ISS. What market would exist if all the sudden ISS was turned over to the private sector? My prediction is that it would end up dropping out of the sky like Mir. Mir was available remember. It could have had rockets sent to it, but didn't. : : so they'd have to : :spend the money for their own programs in any case. : : : :Only if their programs are of national importance. Historically, : :space programs are not. We still don't have a fully-functional space : :station up, over twenty years after Reagan announced the program, so : :betting on them getting results by spending money on their own plans : :is a lousy bet as well. : : It's still a better bet than a hey nonny nonny and a prayer while : throwing money up in the air. : Well, if someone were proposing that, I suppose it might be. : :And how do you think the airmail case would have worked if it only : :paid for airmail delivery to Antarctica? : : : :Who knows? I suspect that it would have developed vehicles that could : :access Antarctica cheaply. : : I suspect it wouldn't, since there wouldn't be any point to delivering : airmail to Antarctica, given the paucity of population. : There was no point in delivering airmail at all, until the government : subsidized it. It was moving fine on the ground. You seem to be : missing the point. Air mail provided faster service, something we cherish today. To claim that air service wasn't superior to ground servic is false on its face. : :Unfortunately, that's not a particularly : :useful thing to do, since we're constrained by treaties from doing : :anything useful with Antactica. : : That's a lovely red herring you have there. Do you have something in : blue? : Sorry, it's true. : :And man in LEO isn't ever going to get it unless someone comes up with : :a 'killer app'; something that either cannot be done down here or is : :so prohibitively expensive that it winds up being cheaper in space : :despite the transport costs. : : : :There is. It's called "going into space." : : And private enterprise will fund this as anything other than a stunt : why, again? : Because a lot of people want to go into space, and will pay for the : privilege. Where are they all?!? Lance Bass (NSYNC) and Radio Shack, what happened to that? For all those pople we sure as hell aren't accomodating them! : You've got to have some reason for going other than "look : what I did". : Their reasons are theirs. I don't care what they are, as long as they : want to go. Space tourism, in and of itself, won't spawn a space industry infrastructure. : :Other than that, NASA needs to refocus (as it has been) on : :exploration. Get men back to the Moon and to Mars and *FIND* the : :reasons why people need to be there. : : : :They won't find that. The reasons exist within the people themselves. : : In other words, it will never happen your way. : We'll see, but certainly the government doesn't currently plan to do : it my way, except on a very small scale, with COTS. In your case, COTW (commercial off-the-wall)... Eric |
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