Universe 'too queer' to grasp

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4676751.stm

nightbat wrote

Ray Vingnutte wrote:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4676751.stm

nightbat

As long as there are bright folks to perceive, observe, and
deduce it, the immense Universe is within our grasp with only ungrounded
fears, misconceptions, insecurities, or preoccupation's at times
hampering our mutual scientific enlightened goals and paths.

Strange it may be perceived (the universe), but it takes dedicated
straight thinking individuals of all kinds to figure it out.

the nightbat

On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 04:03:19 -0500
nightbat wrote:

nightbat wrote

Ray Vingnutte wrote:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4676751.stm

nightbat

As long as there are bright folks to perceive, observe, and
deduce it, the immense Universe is within our grasp with only
ungrounded fears, misconceptions, insecurities, or preoccupation's at
times hampering our mutual scientific enlightened goals and paths.

Strange it may be perceived (the universe), but it takes dedicated
straight thinking individuals of all kinds to figure it out.

the nightbat

I'm not so sure, I wonder if we can work it out for ourselves, or as I
think is more likely the computer sims will produce the answers
eventually. Mind you, we may still not understand those answers, it may
need an evolutionary jump in our brains to understand it.

nightbat wrote

Ray Vingnutte wrote:

On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 04:03:19 -0500
nightbat wrote:

nightbat wrote

Ray Vingnutte wrote:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4676751.stm

nightbat

As long as there are bright folks to perceive, observe, and
deduce it, the immense Universe is within our grasp with only
ungrounded fears, misconceptions, insecurities, or preoccupation's at
times hampering our mutual scientific enlightened goals and paths.

Strange it may be perceived (the universe), but it takes dedicated
straight thinking individuals of all kinds to figure it out.

the nightbat

Ray
I'm not so sure, I wonder if we can work it out for ourselves, or as I
think is more likely the computer sims will produce the answers
eventually. Mind you, we may still not understand those answers, it may
need an evolutionary jump in our brains to understand it.

nightbat

Don't be so pessimistic Officer Ray, you have the Captain
remember. And yes, all it takes is one with an imaginative positive
grounded mind, fearless courage, and scientific applied persistence to
open an new era in physics and cosmology. Don't forget about Darla
wherever she's at, making the possibilities even more hopeful and
brightening. Sims are only man made approximations, can't compare to the
real thing. Lots of folks don't understand my " Black Comet " but
they're coming around. The Universe is a wondrous place and we all get
to share it. Learning how it really works is half the fun, getting to
play in it a true gift making us all special whether we know it or not.
If only the clueless knew how rare and unique we are, perhaps they would
be more respectful for nothing compares to it. Many look up at the stars
and wonder, I want to go to them and play amongst them.

carry on,
the nightbat

On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 18:29:53 +0200
Charles D. Bohne wrote:

On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 09:09:20 +0100, Ray Vingnutte
wrote:
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4676751.stm
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|=B0 "You stay away from design for developments. Your designs are
selfish; it is for your own immediate use.
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How true!
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|=B0 "We need your imagination to be brought to bear on problems the way
meme is supposed to. It is at the intersection of ideas that new ideas
and breakthroughs occur."
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We have the kookers to prevent this :-)

Nah, they just get left behind and left out....

=20
C.

On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 07:22:27 -0500
nightbat wrote:

nightbat wrote

Ray Vingnutte wrote:

On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 04:03:19 -0500
nightbat wrote:

nightbat wrote

Ray Vingnutte wrote:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4676751.stm

nightbat

As long as there are bright folks to perceive, observe,
and
deduce it, the immense Universe is within our grasp with only
ungrounded fears, misconceptions, insecurities, or preoccupation's
at times hampering our mutual scientific enlightened goals and
paths.

Strange it may be perceived (the universe), but it takes dedicated
straight thinking individuals of all kinds to figure it out.

the nightbat

Ray
I'm not so sure, I wonder if we can work it out for ourselves, or as
I think is more likely the computer sims will produce the answers
eventually. Mind you, we may still not understand those answers, it
may need an evolutionary jump in our brains to understand it.

nightbat

Don't be so pessimistic Officer Ray, you have the Captain
remember. And yes, all it takes is one with an imaginative positive
grounded mind, fearless courage, and scientific applied persistence to
open an new era in physics and cosmology. Don't forget about Darla
wherever she's at, making the possibilities even more hopeful and
brightening. Sims are only man made approximations, can't compare to
the real thing. Lots of folks don't understand my " Black Comet " but
they're coming around. The Universe is a wondrous place and we all get
to share it. Learning how it really works is half the fun, getting to
play in it a true gift making us all special whether we know it or
not. If only the clueless knew how rare and unique we are, perhaps
they would be more respectful for nothing compares to it. Many look up
at the stars and wonder, I want to go to them and play amongst them.

carry on,
the nightbat

You know me I try to be positive but it gets ever harder and harder ;-)

But what is the real thing, how do we know a higher and better
intelligence is not around the corner and we are just a stepping stone
for that intelligence to evolve, yep I mean of course sims and
artificial intelligence, though will it always be artificial ?.


Another option would be for us to genetically alter ourselves and cut
evolution/nature right out of it and thus enhancing ourselves. Nature
and evolution may well have done it's bit by getting us to where we
are now and now we are on the verge of taking over, I don't think nature
will have much of any say in how we evolve now.

On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 21:25:58 +0200
Charles D. Bohne wrote:

On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 20:13:40 +0100, Ray Vingnutte
wrote:

Nah, they just get left behind and left out....

You mean like the Neandertaliens before us ;-)

Yep, knowledge is almost everything, it helps you to survive, if you
can't learn to adapt and change then not much hope. These kookers you
speak of, dead beats, riff-raff, sub species that will ultimately die
out.


C.

Ray Vingnutte wrote:

On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 21:25:58 +0200
Charles D. Bohne wrote:

On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 20:13:40 +0100, Ray Vingnutte
wrote:

Nah, they just get left behind and left out....

You mean like the Neandertaliens before us ;-)

Yep, knowledge is almost everything, it helps you to survive, if you
can't learn to adapt and change then not much hope. These kookers you
speak of, dead beats, riff-raff, sub species that will ultimately die
out.


C.

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--
Official Associate AFA-B Vote Rustler

"It's less a process of "convertion" it's about the reality of matter and
energy (all 8 [!] kinds of matter) ... and yes, that's how "they do it".
We {aliens} call it phase-tuning or simply phase-ing.
And no, you will have to find it out all by yourself. And yes, we
{aliens} will make sure your technical advancement will no longer be
faster than your spiritual one ... we'd rather let you perish on this
planet. That's a promise, you monkey-fu*kers.
HTH.
C."
-- Charles D. "Chuckweasel" Bohne's award-winning alien technology

"That's what you expect from people who think that the
cyberworld isn't "RL"."
-- Dr. David Tholen, Psychic Astrologer

nightbat wrote

Ray Vingnutte wrote:

As long as there are bright folks to perceive, observe, and
deduce it, the immense Universe is within our grasp...

Strange it may be perceived (the universe), but it takes dedicated
straight thinking individuals of all kinds to figure it out....

I'm not so sure, I wonder if we can work it out for ourselves, or as I
think is more likely the computer sims will produce the answers
eventually. Mind you, we may still not understand those answers, it may
need an evolutionary jump in our brains to understand it.
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"The brain may figure out the universe, but the brain will never figure
itself out".
INVASION OF THE BODY SNATCHERS 1956 movie.

what??? that's the most absurd absuidity that i ever had the pleasure
of hearing. oops, time for "Love American Style." Karen Valentine in a
miniskirt, mmmmmmmmmm