The perpetual calendar

James Hogg wrote:
[...]

Andrew Usher

Give the sound of your name, I suppose you would also renumber the
years, with year 1 in what is now 4004 BC.

Another one goes right over my head. What in the world is special about
how "Andrew Usher" sounds?

Oh, never mind. I just googled "4004 BC."

Bart Mathias

Aatu Koskensilta filted:

"Wovon man nicht sprechan kann, darüber muss man schweigen"
- Ludwig Wittgenstein, Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus

Dog Latin translation: "That man can't speak, but he sure can swing!"

.....r


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Peter T. Daniels filted:

On Feb 19, 1:02=A0pm, Cheryl wrote:

I want an official long holiday weekend in every single month, no
exceptions.

I thought they should have used MLK Day to commemorate the March on
Washington, rather than his birthday, since there are no holidays in
August.

I always thought it should be observed on the anniversary of his assassination,
so I could get my birthday off every year....

I also plumped for rolling back "Presidents' Day" to the original "Washington's
Birthday" and "Lincoln's Birthday", further suggesting that *every* president's
birthday should be a holiday...(Polk and Harding screwed things up by having
their birthdays on the same day of the year)...as luck would have it, at the
time I made this suggestion, that still would have left us with no holidays in
June (Bush Sr came along a year or two later)....r


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Bart Mathias filted:

James Hogg wrote:
[...]

Andrew Usher

Give the sound of your name, I suppose you would also renumber the
years, with year 1 in what is now 4004 BC.

Another one goes right over my head. What in the world is special about
how "Andrew Usher" sounds?

Oh, never mind. I just googled "4004 BC."

Guess you didn't need to have a house fall on you....r


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Andrew Usher filted:

On Feb 19, 6:07=A0pm, Robert Bannister wrote:

If you are going to try to make it sensible, then please give us 13
four-week months with one or two specially named days at the end of the
year to even it out. The first day of each month should be a Monday.

Having 13 months, in addition, would screw up a bunch of things ; in
particular, 13 can't be divided.

Neither can seven, but very few calendar reformers have suggested that as a
reason to change the length of the week....r


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On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 15:30:16 -0800 (PST), Andrew Usher
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On Feb 19, 4:56*pm, wrote:

[...]

And trying to come up with a new calendar fixating on
Christmas is about as logical as fixating on Waitangi
Day.

This is just West-bashing.

Don't be silly: New Zealand is part of the cultural west.

Brian

On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 16:12:09 -0800 (PST), Andrew Usher
wrote in

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[...]

And the first day of the week is Sunday, not Monday - that
is an incontrovertible fact.

Don't be ridiculous: it's merely a convention. For many of
us Monday is unquestionably the first day of the week.

[...]

Brian

On Feb 19, 9:38*pm, R H Draney wrote:
Peter T. Daniels filted:



On Feb 19, 1:02=A0pm, Cheryl wrote:

I want an official long holiday weekend in every single month, no
exceptions.

I thought they should have used MLK Day to commemorate the March on
Washington, rather than his birthday, since there are no holidays in
August.

I always thought it should be observed on the anniversary of his assassination,
so I could get my birthday off every year....

I also plumped for rolling back "Presidents' Day" to the original "Washington's
Birthday" and "Lincoln's Birthday", further suggesting that *every* president's
birthday should be a holiday...(Polk and Harding screwed things up by having
their birthdays on the same day of the year)...as luck would have it, at the

Statistically, in a group of 30 random people, you should expect at
least one pair to share a birthday. With a pool of 44, oughtn't there
to be two shared birthdays, on average?

time I made this suggestion, that still would have left us with no holidays in
June (Bush Sr came along a year or two later)....r

Yusuf B Gursey wrote:
On Feb 19, 4:34 am, James Hogg wrote:
John Atkinson wrote:
Halmyre wrote:
On 19 Feb, 04:58, "Ray O'Hara" wrote:
"Andrew Usher" wrote in message

...

Owing to the inconveniences which attend the shifting of the
calendar, and attempting in passing to create a more perfect
Church calendar, I say the following: 1. That Christmas day
should be fixed to a Sunday, and this should be the Sunday
between Dec. 21 and 27, and that in all civilised countries the
Monday should be considered a holiday, or the Saturday if not
normally. 2. That similarly Easter day should be fixed to the
Sunday which is 15 weeks following Christmas. 3. That the leap
year rule be changed to have a leap year occur every fourth
save that it be delayed when the leap year would start on a
Thursday, and that this gives 7 leap years in every 29, which
is near enough. 4. That the perpetual calendar can be made, by
considering the first day of the year of weeks to occur on the
Sunday after the Assumption, and if this is the first possible
calendar day, it is called week 1, and otherwise week 2, and
every year runs through week 53. And this calendar ensures that
everything can be fixed to a day of a certain week, in
particular the American Thanksgiving must be made 31 days
before Christmas. 6. This is surely the best possible
arrangement that can be made, without disturbing the cycle of
weeks or that of calendar days inherited from the Romans.
Andrew Usher
The calendar has several sources, not just the Rome and the onewe
habe in fine as it is
I just wish they'd settle on a date for Easter and be done with it.

But, the whole point of Easter is that it has a full moon! You might
as well scrap the whole thing otherwise. Or are you suggesting that
we only take holidays at Easter every four years or so, when your
“settled” date just happens to correspond with the right lunar
phase?

My Book of Common Prayer makes things easy by pointing out that "the
moon referred to in the definition of Easter Day is not the actual
moon of the heavens, but the Calendar Moon, or Moon of the Lunar
Cycle, which is counted as full on its fourteenth day, reckoned from
the day of the Calendar New Moon inclusive." Also, in a Bissextile
Year "the number of Sundays after Epiphany will be the same, as if
Easter Day had fallen one day later than it really does."

the Orthodox (Eastern) churches have a slightly different system.
dunno exactly what it is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter

Easter

Orthodox Easter and other events are based on the Julian Calendar (one year
= 365.25 days), while Catholic and Protestant practice follows the Gregorian
calendar (one year = 365.2425 days plus the 1582 dropping of 10 days). Over
several centuries, the date of the spring equinox has drifted away from
March 21 in the Orthodox calendar.

The two religious systems have different methods for calculating Easter
within their own calendars.

Do a Google search for "calendar FAQ".


Easter is a moveable feast, meaning it is not fixed in relation to the
civil calendar. The First Council of Nicaea (325) established the date
of Easter as the first Sunday after the full moon (the Paschal Full
Moon) following the vernal equinox.[3] Ecclesiastically, the equinox
is reckoned to be on March 21 (regardless of the astronomically
correct date), and the "Full Moon" is not necessarily the
astronomically correct date. The date of Easter therefore varies
between March 22 and April 25. Eastern Christianity bases its
calculations on the Julian Calendar whose March 21 corresponds, during
the twenty-first century, to April 3 in the Gregorian Calendar, in
which calendar their celebration of Easter therefore varies between
April 4 and May 8.




What could be simpler?

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Yusuf B Gursey wrote:
On Feb 19, 4:34 am, James Hogg wrote:
John Atkinson wrote:
Halmyre wrote:
On 19 Feb, 04:58, "Ray O'Hara" wrote:
"Andrew Usher" wrote in message

...

Owing to the inconveniences which attend the shifting of the
calendar, and attempting in passing to create a more perfect
Church calendar, I say the following: 1. That Christmas day
should be fixed to a Sunday, and this should be the Sunday
between Dec. 21 and 27, and that in all civilised countries the
Monday should be considered a holiday, or the Saturday if not
normally. 2. That similarly Easter day should be fixed to the
Sunday which is 15 weeks following Christmas. 3. That the leap
year rule be changed to have a leap year occur every fourth
save that it be delayed when the leap year would start on a
Thursday, and that this gives 7 leap years in every 29, which
is near enough. 4. That the perpetual calendar can be made, by
considering the first day of the year of weeks to occur on the
Sunday after the Assumption, and if this is the first possible
calendar day, it is called week 1, and otherwise week 2, and
every year runs through week 53. And this calendar ensures that
everything can be fixed to a day of a certain week, in
particular the American Thanksgiving must be made 31 days
before Christmas. 6. This is surely the best possible
arrangement that can be made, without disturbing the cycle of
weeks or that of calendar days inherited from the Romans.
Andrew Usher
The calendar has several sources, not just the Rome and the onewe
habe in fine as it is
I just wish they'd settle on a date for Easter and be done with it.

But, the whole point of Easter is that it has a full moon! You might
as well scrap the whole thing otherwise. Or are you suggesting that
we only take holidays at Easter every four years or so, when your
“settled” date just happens to correspond with the right lunar
phase?

My Book of Common Prayer makes things easy by pointing out that "the
moon referred to in the definition of Easter Day is not the actual
moon of the heavens, but the Calendar Moon, or Moon of the Lunar
Cycle, which is counted as full on its fourteenth day, reckoned from
the day of the Calendar New Moon inclusive." Also, in a Bissextile
Year "the number of Sundays after Epiphany will be the same, as if
Easter Day had fallen one day later than it really does."

the Orthodox (Eastern) churches have a slightly different system.
dunno exactly what it is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter

Easter

Orthodox Easter and other events are based on the Julian Calendar (one
year = 365.25 days), while Catholic and Protestant practice follows the
Gregorian calendar (one year = 365.2425 days plus the 1582 dropping of 10
days). Over several centuries, the date of the spring equinox has drifted
away from March 21 in the Orthodox calendar.

The two religious systems have different methods for calculating Easter
within their own calendars.

Do a Google search for "calendar FAQ".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsD2Nku6Zqo
Over two millennia, the date of the spring equinox has drifted by a month.