Apollo One, the FBI, and Scott Grissom

"Scott Hedrick" wrote in message ...
"LaDonna Wyss" wrote in message
om...
But to say he has
"fantasies" of his father's murder is absurd. He has baggage; he's
not demented.

Ah, so now *you* are the one with the psychology degree. You're certainly
making a medical judgment about "scott". Why is it OK for you to pass
judgment but not OM?

GOD, you are FAR too stupid EVER to have walked by a college, much
less walked in. And no, I am not imitating Scott; I am stating a
FACT. I didn't make a "medical judgment" about Scott. I stated a
fact. He has baggage--like EACH AND EVERY HUMAN BEING ALIVE. Perhaps
his is far deeper and more debilitating than some, perhaps not. But
to claim he has fantasies about his father's murder is way over the
top. I don't care if you've been reading Scott's posts for twenty
years; NO ONE, not even Freud himself, can diagnose someone via the
Internet. I KNOW the man. I've watched his behavior, toward myself
and toward others. He lapses into childhood at times, but he is not
delusional.

"Scott Hedrick" wrote in message ...
"LaDonna Wyss" wrote in message
om...
Unfortunately, as I've said before many times, Scott does not explain
things well. He deals in sound bites, and I'm afraid it has left a
VERY wrong impression.

If he dealt in verifiable evidence, he'd accomplish more. Perhaps you can
assist him by providing verifiable evidence which you've uncovered.

I think you need to go to the "main" thread for your answer to this one.

OM om@our_blessed_lady_mary_of_the_holy_NASA_researc h_facility.org wrote in message . ..
On Sun, 06 Jun 2004 07:49:10 GMT, (Derek
Lyons) wrote:

Right. Which is why Jay Windleys patient and thorough probing was met
with... abuse.

...Where the **** *is* Jay, anyway? I've let him out of KH so I can
see just how he intends to tear this bitch a new rectal orafice next
to the two I've already given her.

OM

You REALLY have an over-blown opinion of yourself, don't you?

"LaDonna Wyss" wrote:
"Scott Hedrick" wrote:
"Doug..." wrote in message

The fact is that scott has never been able to support his
positions with factual statements that stand scrutiny (witness how the
Hill Report burst his bubble so thoroughly), and when he's pressed to
back up his statements with verifications, he descends into 6-year-old
name-calling and emotional appeals.

That's the only reason I don't believe that LaToya is "scott" in drag.
She's
more polite, but still unable to back up her claims, and resorts to the
usual troll tactics.

Where is the report in question?

He www.challengerdisaster.info

as

http://www.challengerdisaster.info/N...nner%20doc.doc

http://www.challengerdisaster.info/F...ware%20doc.doc

http://www.challengerdisaster.info/A...1%20of%202.htm

http://www.challengerdisaster.info/A...2%20of%202.htm


Daniel
Penance one post at a time
Mount Charleston not Charleston, SC
www.challengerdisaster.info

"Charleston" wrote in message news:1lywc.23685$lL1.21474@fed1read03...
"LaDonna Wyss" wrote:

snip

As for the names of the documents I retrieved from the National
Archives and their ID numbers: ARE YOU SERIOUS????? There are 453
boxes of evidence there; are you seriously telling me I am supposed to
sit down and list every document I copied, give dates, form numbers/ID
numbers, and signatories for each one???

I don't know what you have in the way of documents but I would like to know
if you have TPS 068. Surely you know the significance of that document. It
should be etched in your mind.

I'm not sure if it's TPS 068; when I copied them, the National
Archives has a stamp in the upper right-hand corner of the copier to
prevent originals from being removed and it cut off the numbers.
However, I do have the TPS describing the condition of MDC Panel 8
upon removal. I do not have a TPS specifically talking about results
of the electron microscope examination of the bracket, but that
information is in the Congressional Record.

"LaDonna Wyss" wrote in message
m...

You must be referring to the royal "we" because I've received three
emails today in response to my posts. Some people really DO want
information

and we're still waiting...

--
Terrell Miller


"Married men live longer than single men, but married men are a lot more
willing to die."
Proverb

"LaDonna Wyss" wrote:
Doug... wrote:
In article ,
says...
"LaDonna Wyss" wrote:

Unfortunately, as I've said before many times, Scott does not
explain
things well. He deals in sound bites, and I'm afraid it has left a
VERY wrong impression.

If he dealt in verifiable evidence, he'd accomplish more. Perhaps you
can
assist him by providing verifiable evidence which you've uncovered.

Scott, we've been through this with scott and his supporters in the
past. The fact is that scott has never been able to support his
positions with factual statements that stand scrutiny (witness how the
Hill Report burst his bubble so thoroughly), and when he's pressed to
back up his statements with verifications, he descends into 6-year-old
name-calling and emotional appeals.

It's just not worth the effort. And note that, if we had all just
ignored scott's latest "got-religion" convert, we wouldn't be seeing
this newsgroup hijacked yet again to pump up scott grissom's ****ing ego
and fuel his fantasies.

Doug


Apparently it is far easier for some in here to believe people get
brainwashed by Scott than to think someone actually took at the fire
for him/her self and decided something was up. For people to berate
Scott the way they do, and then proceed to give him that much power is
rather incongruous, don't you think?

There are people here on this group today who went out on a limb to try and
give Scott a fair chance to present his argument in a scientific forum with
peer review. They even went so far as to put together a moderated newsgroup
where he could air his theories without being attacked. People here voted
for that new newsgroup to be formed (sci.space.moderated) so he and others
could talk in that safer atmosphere. Since you come here not knowing the
history here, as I did too once upon a time, you need to appreciate that
people are sort of spent on this issue unless something dramatically new is
shown to them. So that is why some have offered to put up your citations on
a website. So everyone can see them. When you are ready to do that, I
think you will get a fair hearing. Until then, there are scant few of us
with enough of the documents available to us to discuss Apollo 1 in much
detail other than what is available on the web and in a few books.

My interest in the Apollo 1 accident is primarily its historical aspect with
regards to how NASA has addressed the issue of escape systems.
Nevertheless, I spent a lot of time, last year at a University Library,
making copies of key portions of that aged Congressional report, so that I
could get to the bottom of whether the Apollo crew could have survived and
if so with what quality of life. It is a bit disturbing to delve into the
details of their deaths, but I have done so to try and help you understand
just how significantly that crew was exposed to CO, and other toxic gases,
some of which are pulmonary irritants. I think I have failed. I have
worked a couple of CO accidents from an Environmental Health aspect (non
fire related) and they can be very deadly, happen very quickly, and yes,
very sadly.

...He's either convincing, or he's not, and if he's not, then you need to
deal with the fact that there are some of us out in the public who do
not bow at NASA's altar.

There are a lot of people here who do not bow at NASA's altar.

Daniel

"LaDonna Wyss" wrote in message
om...
"Charleston" wrote in message
news:1lywc.23685$lL1.21474@fed1read03...
"LaDonna Wyss" wrote:

snip

As for the names of the documents I retrieved from the National
Archives and their ID numbers: ARE YOU SERIOUS????? There are 453
boxes of evidence there; are you seriously telling me I am supposed to
sit down and list every document I copied, give dates, form numbers/ID
numbers, and signatories for each one???

I don't know what you have in the way of documents but I would like to
know
if you have TPS 068. Surely you know the significance of that document.
It
should be etched in your mind.

I'm not sure if it's TPS 068; when I copied them, the National
Archives has a stamp in the upper right-hand corner of the copier to
prevent originals from being removed and it cut off the numbers.
However, I do have the TPS describing the condition of MDC Panel 8
upon removal. I do not have a TPS specifically talking about results
of the electron microscope examination of the bracket, but that
information is in the Congressional Record.

Thank you very much for your direct answer. I know exactly what you are
talking about with the little "Reproduced at the National Archives" copy
machine gift:-) I would be very interested in seeing the TPS you do have.
I had no luck in getting TPS 068 from NASA using the FOIA. TPS 068 should
be in the Congressional Record, you are correct, but I did not find it, and
it sounds like you did not find it either; particularly from mod 12 forward.
It would help clear up a couple issues in the Hill report and the original
report. I don't believe though that it would do anything more than that,
although you never know for sure until you look at all of the evidence.

For all of the interest Scott has expressed about that little piece of metal
with the hole in it, that is only part of the story of the electrical short.
He must know this to be true. The rest of the story is what happened to the
little center piece of that bracket. Scott never mentions it AFAIK. You
see that is where the minute arc pitting really did occur--not on the piece
Scott has made famous. So whatever happened to that piece of metal and
where is it now? I wonder if Scott knows.

http://www.challengerdisaster.info/Photographs%202%20of%202%20(bracket%20related)/8-%20Close-up%20of%20back%20side%20of%20bracket%20found%20at% 20LARC%20w%20metal%20piece.jpg

(alternate link) http://makeashorterlink.com/?C4C622B78

It is not always what you *can* see that helps tell a story, sometimes it is
what you *can not* see.

Daniel

rk wrote:


I would suggest instead of a newspaper staffed by journalists that you publish
your findings in a well-respected, peer-reviewed, engineering journal.

Actually it seems like a medical journal would be more fitting...this
will get in the same issue of "The Lancet" that will carry the
ground-breaking article "Rectal avian simian expulsion and its
relationship to common hemorrhoids- a case study from Oz".

Pat

On Sun, 6 Jun 2004 17:26:26 -0400, "Terrell Miller"
wrote:

"LaDonna Wyss" wrote in message
om...

You must be referring to the royal "we" because I've received three
emails today in response to my posts. Some people really DO want
information

"...The lurkers support me in e-mail!" does not count, you dink.

and we're still waiting...

[breath_hold_mode=OFF]

OM

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