June Solstice 2016

For those who like to learn and teach.

It is coming close to midsummer and midwinter for the respective hemipsheres as the North and South poles turn to and away from the central Sun and to their polar noon and polar midnight positions as a function of the planet's orbital motion.

Just as the warmest part of the day is around 3PM and not 12 noon, the warmest period of the year is after midsummer to all trends such as sea ice melting , agricultral crops or anything heat related receives the bulk of the heat after midsummer just as January and February are the coldest after midwinter.

People who begin summer at the Solstices have no idea what they are doing insofar as the warming and colling trends are in response to planetary dynamics and especially the Earth's twin rotations to the central Sun.

For whatever reason it seems that observers still can't manage to recognize that the planet has two distinct day/night cycles with two distinct dawns, noon, twilight and midnight arising from twin rotations that combine to cause the seasons and variations in the length of the natural noon cycles.

http://www.skyandtelescope.com/obser...bright-lights/

The idea of putting the Sun in stellar circumpolar motion beggars belief and this topic was broached before in this forum in respect to variations in twilight lengths across latitudes.

The great astronomical event of the Solstices representing polar noon and polar midnight or midsummer and midwinter where the orbital surface rotation to the Sun combines with daily rotation should be celebrated for what it is and not some idiotic rotating celestial sphere notion.

The North and South poles are a window into the uneven orbital surface rotation and the polar day/night cycle.

oriel36 wrote:
For whatever reason it seems that observers still can't manage to
recognize that the planet has two distinct day/night cycles with two
distinct dawns, noon, twilight and midnight arising from twin rotations
that combine to cause the seasons and variations in the length of the natural noon cycles.

http://www.skyandtelescope.com/obser...bright-lights/

The idea of putting the Sun in stellar circumpolar motion beggars belief
and this topic was broached before in this forum in respect to variations
in twilight lengths across latitudes.

The great astronomical event of the Solstices representing polar noon and
polar midnight or midsummer and midwinter where the orbital surface
rotation to the Sun combines with daily rotation should be celebrated for
what it is and not some idiotic rotating celestial sphere notion.

The North and South poles are a window into the uneven orbital surface
rotation and the polar day/night cycle.


Your inability to comprehend three dimensional geometry is so obvious when
you make ridiculous statements about circumpolar motion.



http://www.southpolestation.com/triv...ole_marker.pdf

The sundial at the South Pole operates 24 hours a day. As the sun travels
around the horizon its shadow moves 360 degrees in 24 hours. Explain why.

You can get the same information by viewing your favourite South Pole
became when the sun rises again and noting the positions of the shadows.

On Thursday, June 16, 2016 at 4:37:14 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:


Your inability to comprehend three dimensional geometry is so obvious when
you make ridiculous statements about circumpolar motion.


Nobody in their right mind and I mean their right mind could put the Sun into circumpolar motion to account for the effect that twilight lengths vary across latitudes . This is utter chaos created by the emergence of celestial sphere software with the abysmal 'logic' behind it. You previously did state that the Sun turns around Polaris every day -

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/...ole-sunset.htm

The article above was nothing more than the SkyTel magazine restates yesterday -

http://www.skyandtelescope.com/obser...bright-lights/

There are two distinct twilights , one occurs on the Equinox while the other occurs daily and there is a surface rotation behind them as there are the separate dawns including polar dawn on the opposite Equinox.

To put the Sun is circumpolar motion is utter anarchy.

oriel36 wrote:
On Thursday, June 16, 2016 at 4:37:14 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:


Your inability to comprehend three dimensional geometry is so obvious when
you make ridiculous statements about circumpolar motion.


Nobody in their right mind and I mean their right mind could put the Sun
into circumpolar motion to account for the effect that twilight lengths
vary across latitudes . This is utter chaos created by the emergence of
celestial sphere software with the abysmal 'logic' behind it. You
previously did state that the Sun turns around Polaris every day -

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/...ole-sunset.htm

The article above was nothing more than the SkyTel magazine restates yesterday -

http://www.skyandtelescope.com/obser...bright-lights/

There are two distinct twilights , one occurs on the Equinox while the
other occurs daily and there is a surface rotation behind them as there
are the separate dawns including polar dawn on the opposite Equinox.

To put the Sun is circumpolar motion is utter anarchy.

You have deleted all mention of the sundial at the South Pole which clearly
shows the (by definition) circumpolar motion of the sun.
You did this because you can't explain how a sundial actually at the pole
(it was the pole marker in 2014) can work 24 hours a day over 360 degrees
without circumpolar motion of the sun. You have spent a long time accessing
webcams at the South Pole which also demonstrate the circumpolar motion of
the sun.
Your cowardly nature has asserted itself again. You're scared of the way
this undermines your decade long crusade of egotistic stupidity.


http://www.southpolestation.com/triv...ole_marker.pdf

The people at the South Pole we're proud of their pole marker.

On Thursday, June 16, 2016 at 5:36:07 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:
oriel36 wrote:
On Thursday, June 16, 2016 at 4:37:14 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:


Your inability to comprehend three dimensional geometry is so obvious when
you make ridiculous statements about circumpolar motion.


Nobody in their right mind and I mean their right mind could put the Sun
into circumpolar motion to account for the effect that twilight lengths
vary across latitudes . This is utter chaos created by the emergence of
celestial sphere software with the abysmal 'logic' behind it. You
previously did state that the Sun turns around Polaris every day -

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/...ole-sunset.htm

The article above was nothing more than the SkyTel magazine restates yesterday -

http://www.skyandtelescope.com/obser...bright-lights/

There are two distinct twilights , one occurs on the Equinox while the
other occurs daily and there is a surface rotation behind them as there
are the separate dawns including polar dawn on the opposite Equinox.

To put the Sun is circumpolar motion is utter anarchy.

You have deleted all mention of the sundial at the South Pole which clearly
shows the (by definition) circumpolar motion of the sun.

The thing about your cult is that you expect students to follow where you will not.

It is noon at Cape town in the Southern hemipshere roughly the same time it is noon in Stockholm in the Northern hemisphere as both are at 18 E longitude.

You want to put the Sun in stellar circumpolar motion for both and it is not that it would drive you crazy if you are insane enough to do it ,you will look for an escape route because this is what celestial sphere cretins do -

http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap140620.html

There is no goodness in any of you and that is the opposite of what astronomy does for human nature.

oriel36 wrote:
On Thursday, June 16, 2016 at 5:36:07 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:
oriel36 wrote:
On Thursday, June 16, 2016 at 4:37:14 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:


Your inability to comprehend three dimensional geometry is so obvious when
you make ridiculous statements about circumpolar motion.


Nobody in their right mind and I mean their right mind could put the Sun
into circumpolar motion to account for the effect that twilight lengths
vary across latitudes . This is utter chaos created by the emergence of
celestial sphere software with the abysmal 'logic' behind it. You
previously did state that the Sun turns around Polaris every day -

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/...ole-sunset.htm

The article above was nothing more than the SkyTel magazine restates yesterday -

http://www.skyandtelescope.com/obser...bright-lights/

There are two distinct twilights , one occurs on the Equinox while the
other occurs daily and there is a surface rotation behind them as there
are the separate dawns including polar dawn on the opposite Equinox.

To put the Sun is circumpolar motion is utter anarchy.

You have deleted all mention of the sundial at the South Pole which clearly
shows the (by definition) circumpolar motion of the sun.

The thing about your cult is that you expect students to follow where you will not.

It is noon at Cape town in the Southern hemipshere roughly the same time
it is noon in Stockholm in the Northern hemisphere as both are at 18 E longitude.

You want to put the Sun in stellar circumpolar motion for both and it is
not that it would drive you crazy if you are insane enough to do it ,you
will look for an escape route because this is what celestial sphere cretins do -

http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap140620.html

There is no goodness in any of you and that is the opposite of what
astronomy does for human nature.


Stand at the pole in summer and watch the sun turn 360 degrees every day.
The sun is turning around you (it's actually the Earth turning you know).
Since you're standing on the pole it's also turning around the pole.
It won't drive you crazy because you already are crazy.
Also a snivelling coward.


http://www.southpolestation.com/triv...ole_marker.pdf

Perhaps you should take a trip to the South Pole to look at the markers.

On Thursday, June 16, 2016 at 5:56:39 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:
oriel36 wrote:
On Thursday, June 16, 2016 at 5:36:07 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:
oriel36 wrote:
On Thursday, June 16, 2016 at 4:37:14 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:


Your inability to comprehend three dimensional geometry is so obvious when
you make ridiculous statements about circumpolar motion.


Nobody in their right mind and I mean their right mind could put the Sun
into circumpolar motion to account for the effect that twilight lengths
vary across latitudes . This is utter chaos created by the emergence of
celestial sphere software with the abysmal 'logic' behind it. You
previously did state that the Sun turns around Polaris every day -

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/...ole-sunset.htm

The article above was nothing more than the SkyTel magazine restates yesterday -

http://www.skyandtelescope.com/obser...bright-lights/

There are two distinct twilights , one occurs on the Equinox while the
other occurs daily and there is a surface rotation behind them as there
are the separate dawns including polar dawn on the opposite Equinox.

To put the Sun is circumpolar motion is utter anarchy.

You have deleted all mention of the sundial at the South Pole which clearly
shows the (by definition) circumpolar motion of the sun.

The thing about your cult is that you expect students to follow where you will not.

It is noon at Cape town in the Southern hemipshere roughly the same time
it is noon in Stockholm in the Northern hemisphere as both are at 18 E longitude.

You want to put the Sun in stellar circumpolar motion for both and it is
not that it would drive you crazy if you are insane enough to do it ,you
will look for an escape route because this is what celestial sphere cretins do -

http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap140620.html

There is no goodness in any of you and that is the opposite of what
astronomy does for human nature.


Stand at the pole in summer and watch the sun turn 360 degrees every day.
The sun is turning around you (it's actually the Earth turning you know).

It is a 100% certainty that there is no surface rotation as a function of daily rotation at the North and South poles, the only valid observation at the North and South poles is that the Sun comes into view at the Equinox, stays in view and then disappears from view as the poles turn as a function of the Earth orbital motion.



Since you're standing on the pole it's also turning around the pole.
It won't drive you crazy because you already are crazy.
Also a snivelling coward.


http://www.southpolestation.com/triv...ole_marker.pdf


The priority is what causes the Sun to come into view, why it is orbital midnight at the South pole and why in 3 months the Sun will appear once more on the September Equinox. Try to put the Sun in circumpolar motion at the poles and you are going to have to do it for all latitudes and that is a nightmare of intellectual anarchy.



Perhaps you should take a trip to the South Pole to look at the markers.


Let out all your hatred as it means nothing to me, you insist the Sun travels in circumpolar motion to explain twilight variations across latitudes so now you have to square away how Stockholm and Cape Town both experience noon at the same time using the Sun in a celestial sphere setting -

http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap140620.html

You are like those mindless hooligans in France who think if they scream loud enough or act with violent behavior that it means something while everyone else enjoys themselves is finding creative ways to express themselves. I represent the latter with all the imaging to show what works and what doesn't.

The river of hate flowing through this forum is astonishing but that is what you get when you are locked in a rotating celestial sphere.

On Thursday, June 16, 2016 at 4:37:14 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote:


Your inability to comprehend three dimensional geometry is so obvious when
you make ridiculous statements about circumpolar motion.




You would ask students to imagine the Sun follows a circumpolar path but you yourself would lose your mind if asked why Stockholm and Cape Town experience noon roughly at the same time while retaining an ideology -

http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap140620.html

Which circle do you want to put the Sun in ?.

A thug by any other name but you have so many here that act the same way in loving nothing.

On Thursday, June 16, 2016 at 6:19:19 PM UTC+1, oriel36 wrote:

It is a 100% certainty that there is no surface rotation as a function of daily rotation at the North and South poles, the only valid observation at the North and South poles is that the Sun comes into view at the Equinox, stays in view and then disappears from view as the poles turn as a function of the Earth orbital motion.

Say what?

I thought your entire worldview was based on the idea that the Earth turns once every 24 hours. If so, of course the sun does a circle in the sky as seen from the pole, during the polar day. Your real problem is that the stars do a circle every 23 hours 56 minutes.

But no, apparently this is another example of how I keep underestimating just how bonkers you are.