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Bob Kolker wrote:
There are ways of spending money to produce joy, profit, convenience and prosperity. Manned space programs with our current propulsion technology are not among them. Perhaps we should spend the money to find better modes of propulsion than we have currently. What we have currently are latter day versions of Chinese rockets from the Tang dynasty. Any civillization capable of producing QFT and the Standard Model for particle physics should be able to do better than this. Agreed. It's long past time we stopped modelling our propulsion system on 1500-year-old tech and started thinking outside the box. -- -- * I always hope for the best. Experience, unfortunately, has taught me to expect the worst. Yahoo: evilbill_agqx Web: http://www.evilbill.org.uk |
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Elvis Gump wrote:
Marcovaldo wrote: "Elvis Gump" wrote in message Yeah but the only resources we have in abundance are lawyers, guns and money so who will fan the **** if we send 'em all to Mars? I like the idea of sending all the lawyers to Mars. This idea alone could reinvigorate the space program. So what will we chain together at the bottom of Earth's oceans afterward? Microsoft programmers. And the Bush administration. g -- -- * I always hope for the best. Experience, unfortunately, has taught me to expect the worst. Yahoo: evilbill_agqx Web: http://www.evilbill.org.uk |
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Bob Kolker wrote:
:They have stolen water from the colorado river basin. There's some rule that says you have to let it all flow out into the ocean? :That is your free :water source. The way it was done was to divert water to LA and leave :Mexico high and dry. Hogwash! Mexico gets more water than they ought to because the treaty that divided up the river flow was based on a very wet year and Mexico is guaranteed a certain flow. -- "It's always different. It's always complex. But at some point, somebody has to draw the line. And that somebody is always me.... I am the law." -- Buffy, The Vampire Slayer |
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Bob Kolker wrote:
If it could the Israelis would have done it by now. They're too busy massacring little kids and their mothers in Gaza and the West Bank. The same could be said about the Vikings' settlements in Greenland and Newfoundland. They failed, but only because they were small, half-hearted, private efforts. If you send one ship, you are likely to fail. If you send one a week, sheer weight of numbers and learning from experience makes it much more likely you will succeed. Keep in mind that the New World is on this planet and has everything need to sustain human life. Mars has nothing, bupkis, kduchus, nada, zilch, zero. And it does not have a magnetsphere to keep any atmosphere we could build. The best we can do is put domes on mars and stay mosly underground during the day time. True, but Greenland has/had nothing but ice and walruses when the Norse explored it. g Your kuyper belt project will take decades, perhaps centuries to do. We can get everything we need, right here on the ground cheaper and faster. We choose not to do these things, not because they are easy, but because they are too hard and too expensive. Tell me, laddy, will the Georgey Porgey LVT tax scheme produce the revenue for this? Well, here's a radical idea: we could always call a ceasefire with the people we're currently involved in slaughtering by the thousands and stop spending so much on weapons and foreign wars. Then there'd be more cash to go around. -- -- * I always hope for the best. Experience, unfortunately, has taught me to expect the worst. Yahoo: evilbill_agqx Web: http://www.evilbill.org.uk |
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Atlas Bugged wrote:
The thing most of Kolker's adversaries clearly miss is the economic component. Roy at least seems cognizant of it, but brushes it aside anyhow. Bull****. I have addressed the economics square on. Anything we can get in space we can get on the ground for two cents on the dollar. What do you have against cheaper, faster and easier? If you leave economics out of the discussion, Bob clearly looks like some sort of Luddite (and he is, in fact, among the Baddest Apes In The Monkey This Luddite knows more about the machinery than you do. I have addressed the problems openly and squarely. I have Facts. You have Optimism. So when I suggest above "Take away the economics and I'm with Roy," the sentence actually should read, "Ignore reality completely and I'm with Roy." You said it and truly too. Go ahead, ignore reality. Bob Kolker |
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Elvis Gump wrote:
It's very, very cold on Europa though and Jupiter is giving off, I think the technical term is a '****load' of radiation it's own damn self. If you want to live on Europa be prepared to have funny looking kids who shiver a lot. Besides last I heard Europa was infested with Monoliths. Europa is not only a bad place to visit, it is a worse place to live on. Open the pod bay door, Hal. Bob Kolker |
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