Worthy of survival

Citizen Bob wrote:

On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 13:43:57 -0500, Bob Kolker
wrote:


Eric Chomko wrote:

And also the father of psychoanalysis.

Which is a fraud, a scam and a psuedoscience.

Oh Doktor Freud, Herr Doktor Freud
How we wish you had been differently employed
Instead of fiddling with neurosis
You could have cured sclerosis
Oh what a waste Herr Doktor Freud.


Freud was a physician, a neurologist, before he became a psychiatrist.

He was mistreated in France because he was Jewish, so he found a way
to get even with the Frogs - invent this scheme whereby he can declare
that they are all crazy.

He didn't live in France. He lived in Wien (Vienna), the capital city of
the Austro-Hungarian empire. We went to Paris to study with Charcot in
the treatment of hysterical symptoms. Charcot was using hypnosis to
treat hysterical symptoms and from that service with Charcot, Freud
invented his notion of the subconscious mind.

Yes it is true that Freud suffered from the effects of anti-semitism in
the A.H. empire as many Jews did. Einstein ultimately suffered the same
kind of abuse in Germany and had to leave. Be this as it may, it does
not excuse or explain how Herr Doktor Freud became the guru and poobah
of a cult. His circle of adherents and acolytes to his theories of the
subconscious mind (empirically untestable) became his Very Own Gang and
he did not tolerate any sort of disagreements from "his" people. That is
how a bitter split arose between him and his followers and Adler and
Jung. Freud for a set of complex reasons used his talent to create a
quasi-religion and cult from which the world still suffers.

The fact that the Frogs are crazy went a long way in helping Freud
establish his theories. He would have been driving a taxi in any other
culture for lack of work.

Not only the Frogs, but the Vienese. The Jews who lived in Vienna very
often become neurotic and the goyim were not far behind. It was the
goyim who welcomed Hitler with open arms and cheering when the Anschluss
happened. If you want to see a dark vision of the life of those times
read -Metapmorphisis- by Franz Kafka a Jungerian Hew.

Bob Kolker

"Citizen Bob" wrote in message
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On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 10:43:07 -0500, Bob Kolker

There is something fundamentally wrong with Relaitivity, despite its
remarkable achievements. There is always the possibility that what is
happening is a pattern match between the mathematics and the physics
(*).

I believe it is going to take quantum mechanics to fix it. That's
where you will get your strong physical input.

QM? The one where stuff shows up as wave and particle at the same time? I
think they both are going to need patches.

On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 08:21:28 -0400, Bob Kolker
wrote:

I agree. Gravitation as understood in General Theory will not unify with
the rest of the natural interactions. Either reality is inherently messy
and fracture or there is something that theory is missing.

Just because a theory makes some predictions does not make it correct.
For example, the Luminiferous Ether provided some accurate predictions
such as the existence of radio waves. But it was still dead wrong.

I believe Relativity is a fortuituous happenstance, having nothing to
do with physical reality. You are right - it is TOO mathematical for
comfort. QM by contrast has lots of Good Ol' Physics, things you can
play around with in a lab, hard objective matter. Indeed it has its
share of spooky crap too, but it sitll has lots of classical
carryover.

As I pointed out before the main reason I object to Relativity is the
notion of the spacetime continuum. If such a beast actually existed,
then every quantity in the Universe would be completely knowable. Just
walk over to the coordinates of the spacetime point for that event and
observe for yourself. You could know when a radioactive atom would
decay, which directly contradicts the results of QM.

I think Einstein placed a comb in front of a picket fence at just the
right perspective and discovered a remarkable set of patterns matching
up. But it is incorrect to claim that a picket fence shares the same
essence as a comb.

You criticize superstring theory, and for good reason. However it is
at the same stage Lorentz was when they discovered that Maxwell's
Equations were not Galilean invariant. They had to struggle for many
decades before they could justify the Lorentz Metric. That much of
Relativity will remain intact because of its connection to classical
electromagnetism. But that Minkowski crap has to go.

At the time Einstein was working on GR, Mach proposed that the cause
of inertia was a potential that was part of the GR equations. Einstein
even endorsed his theory. Since a potential falls off a 1/r, and the
volume element in a 3-dimensional integral behaves as r^2, the net
effect of the integrand is that inertia behaves as r. That means that
most of the inertia we experience here on Earth is caused by matter at
the edge of the Universe. That's complete nonsense.

Therefore there are serious flaws with the equations of GR. They work
like astrology worked - in a very limited way. Newton used the concept
of action at a distance from astrology, and in light of the quantum
entanglement experiments and Bell's Theorem, it looks like astrology
got that right.

Write us when the experimentalists find the graviton, an elusive spin 2
boson.

As a member of the American Physical Society (APS), I get the
tradesheet Physics Today, and you can bet the discovery of either one
of those particles would be front page news.


--

"Nothing in the world can take the place of perseverence. Talent
will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent.
Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education
will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and
determination alone are omnipotent."
--Calvin Coolidge

On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 21:54:57 -0500, Elvis Gump
wrote:

Magnocartic, adj.: Any automobile that, when left unattended, attracts
shopping carts.

Love it! Too bad there not doing sniglets anymore .. My favorite,
completely irrelevant to our earlier train of thought:

Bovilexia, n: the irresistible urge to go Mo-o-o every time you drive past
a cow ..

On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 08:44:10 -0400, "Atlas Bugged"
wrote:

I believe it is going to take quantum mechanics to fix it. That's
where you will get your strong physical input.

QM? The one where stuff shows up as wave and particle at the same time? I
think they both are going to need patches.

Why do you have a problem with matter having both wave and particle
properties? They are different manifestations of the same reality.

Particles come into play in first quantization where the wave function
is single particle. Waves come into play in second quantization where
the wave function is many body. In a cathode ray tube the beam of
electrons traversing the space between the anode and cathode can be
characterized by a single particle wave function if a measurement is
being conducted - for example, when an electron strikes a
phophorescent substance on the side of the tube. But when the
electrons are travelling free from other distrubances, they behave
like a swarm of quasiparticles (*). There is no individual electron
with a unique identifier like in classical physics, there is only a
cloud of quasiparticles whose number vary because they are being
constantly created and destroyed by vacuum fluctuations.

This is the meat of Quantum Field Theory in general and Quantum
Electrodynamics (QED) in particular. It was the invention of Paul
Dirac who managed to marry QM with Special Relativity. The predictions
of QED are among the most precise in physics.

So QFT is on a solid footing as is all of orthodox QM, even including
entanglement. It has been verified by experiment so many ways it would
take a book just to catalog them. You would be hard pressed to make a
case against QM.

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(*) In physics, a quasiparticle refers to a particle-like entity
arising in certain systems of interacting particles. It can be thought
of as a single particle moving through the system, surrounded by a
cloud of other particles that are being pushed out of the way or
dragged along by its motion, so that the entire entity moves along
somewhat like a free particle. The quasiparticle concept is one of the
most important in condensed matter physics, because it is one of the
few known ways of simplifying the quantum mechanical many-body
problem, and is applicable to an extremely wide range of many-body
systems.

In the language of many-body quantum mechanics, a quasiparticle is a
type of low-lying excited state of the system (a state possessing
energy very close to the ground state energy) that is known as an
elementary excitation. This means that most of the other low-lying
excited states can be viewed as states in which multiple
quasiparticles are present. It turns out that the interactions between
quasiparticles become negligible at sufficiently low temperatures, in
which case we can obtain a great deal of information about the system
as a whole, including the flow properties and heat capacity, by
investigating the properties of individual quasiparticles.

Actually, most many-body systems possess two types of elementary
excitations. The first type, the quasiparticles, correspond to single
particles whose motions are modified by interactions with the other
particles in the system. The second type of excitation corresponds to
a collective motion of the system as a whole. These excitations are
called collective modes, and they include phenomena such as zero
sound, plasmons, and spin density waves.

The idea of quasiparticles originated in Landau's theory of Fermi
liquids, which was originally invented for studying liquid helium-3

This is similar to dressed particles in quantum field theory.
--

"Nothing in the world can take the place of perseverence. Talent
will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent.
Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education
will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and
determination alone are omnipotent."
--Calvin Coolidge

You have not provided any scientific information other than you're
own opinion that redistribution of fluids will not have ill effects on
space travelers. Any crew in a 1 g spin induced environment will have
to travel to parts of the vehicle that are not in the 1g area of spin
for maintenance, and therefore yes a crew in a 1g small radius spin
induced 1g capsule will encounter the same effects that humans do now
in microgravity. I understand you would like to stop thinking about
the complications of human adaptation to space, as space travel is
easier if we just discuss the physics and technology. The questions I
am posing are not to baffle you, or **** people off, but represent
reality, and the many problems humans face with space travel.
Once again what scientific evidence (ie research, studies not opinions)
do you have that humans can survive in an artificially created 1g
environment induced by spin long enough to travel to local planets?
What potential effects does long term exposure to a small radius spin
induced 1g environment have on the human equilibrium? Can you cite
sources, or show studies that in fact demonstrate the similar human
physiological responses exist between the mass created gravity of
earth, and gravitational "force" in a small radius spin induced 1g
capsule? What specific effects does long term habitation in a in a
small radius spin induced 1g capsule have on the human body, and what
human physiological adaptations does the human body make to such an
environment? And finally how does a small radius spin induced 1g
capsule for long term space flight compare to a human centrifuge?

Wayne Throop wrote:
:
: The science conducted on sts-107 would contradict your conclusion

It would if it were relevant. But it's not. So it doesn't.
Move on to something relevant.

: as the study does not state a full understanding of the effects on the
: human physiology when adapting to microgravity, but works to
: increasing our understanding of these adaptations.

But it does state that these ill-understood effects occur *in microgravity*.
Which spin is not. So move on to something relevant.

Your own quote you repeat over and over and over:

: Sts-107 press kit page 45 col 2 par 1 "Previous flight experiments
: have demonstrated that reduced gravity

And we can stop right there. Reduced gravity. Spin is not reduced gravity.
If you still think they are talking about reduced gravity but still the
same acceleration, then you haven't been paying attention.


Wayne Throop http://sheol.org/throopw

On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 09:31:38 GMT, (Citizen Bob) wrote:

There is something fundamentally wrong with Relaitivity, despite its
remarkable achievements. There is always the possibility that what is
happening is a pattern match between the mathematics and the physics
(*).

I believe it is going to take quantum mechanics to fix it. That's
where you will get your strong physical input.

---

(*) Place a comb in front of a picket fence. Then place a camera in
front of the comb. Adjust the perspective so that the camera sees the
tines of the comb line up with the pickets of the fence. Take a
picture. The casual observer will be confinced that the fence is a
comb. But it is not.

Place a mathematical formulation on top of Newton's Laws. Adjust
things so that it appears that Newton's Laws are the mathematics. It's
all an illusion.


[*keeper file*]

Not a word to add, save thank you.

On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 08:31:21 -0400, Bob Kolker
wrote:

He was mistreated in France because he was Jewish

He didn't live in France.

He went to Paris to study with Charcot in the treatment of hysterical symptoms.

When he was in Paris, where did he live - Vienna?

That's one helluva commute.


--

"Nothing in the world can take the place of perseverence. Talent
will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent.
Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education
will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and
determination alone are omnipotent."
--Calvin Coolidge

In article ,
(Citizen Bob) wrote:

The Second Coming is all about ranching - the time when the
extraterrestrials will collect up all the humans who have succumbed to
a good dose of gamma radiation.

The Lord is my shepherd, I shall not want
He makes me down to lie
Through pastures green he leadeth me the silent waters by
With bright knives he releaseth my soul
He maketh me to hang on hooks in high places
He converteth me to lamb cutlets
For lo,m he hath great power and great hunger
When cometh the day we lowly ones
Through quiet reflection and great dedication
Master the art of karate
Lo, we shall rise up
And then we'll make the bugger's eyes water.

In article ,
Bob Kolker wrote:

Rocks
do not have rights. Mostly because they are dumb and just sit there.

not unlike viewers of the Fox News Channel...