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Old February 12th 05, 03:05 PM
Jim Oberg
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Does Mars need women? Russians say no

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COMMENTARY

By James Oberg, NBC News space analyst

Special to MSNBC

Updated: 8:52 p.m. ET Feb. 11, 2005

Are women up to the job of exploring Mars?

This week, the director of Russia's top space medical institute told
students that only men should be allowed on the first mission to the Red
Planet, because women are too weak to endure the flight's rigors. His
comments once again exposed the internal contradictions of a country that
put the first woman into space while having the reputation of being the last
European bastion of male chauvinism.

After addressing students at Moscow International University, Professor
Anatoly Grigoryev elaborated in comments reported by Russia's RIA Novosti
news agency: "After all, women are fragile and delicate creatures; that is
why men should lead the way to distant planets and carry women there n their
strong hands."








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Old February 12th 05, 06:38 PM
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Jim Oberg wrote:

Does Mars need women? Russians say no

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6955149/

COMMENTARY

By James Oberg, NBC News space analyst

Special to MSNBC

Updated: 8:52 p.m. ET Feb. 11, 2005

Are women up to the job of exploring Mars?

This week, the director of Russia's top space medical institute told
students that only men should be allowed on the first mission to the Red
Planet, because women are too weak to endure the flight's rigors. His
comments once again exposed the internal contradictions of a country that
put the first woman into space while having the reputation of being the last
European bastion of male chauvinism.

After addressing students at Moscow International University, Professor
Anatoly Grigoryev elaborated in comments reported by Russia's RIA Novosti
news agency: "After all, women are fragile and delicate creatures; that is
why men should lead the way to distant planets and carry women there n their
strong hands."



I'm sure all the female factory workers, and military snipers during
WW II, will be quite interested in hearing this.

As would Shannon Lucid, with the second longest time in space of
anyone, doing it on *their* station...

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Old February 12th 05, 08:04 PM
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Working in a factory (like the ones where many Chinese female workers
work), sniping, living in micro-G enviroment and operating things do no
require a strong and resistant creature.

That's why even a computer is able to do those things. Or maybe you
think that women have the same intelligence, fragility, and
delicateness as a computer?


Frankly, I don't why some women wanted to do all of those hard works
when they can instead use men to do those things for them.

Maybe it's the sign of lack intelligence? Or the sign of being able to
be manipulated to rebel against a stable situtation to make into a
chaos situation? Or maybe both?

You decide.


Just remember the incident that took place at the Garden that is
located East of Eden?

Things went quite smoothly, until someone provocate a woman to ruin
things.



Personally, I'm against in putting a woman or two or more in a
spaceship to Mars with a crew of the majority of them are male. Unless
you are talking about a sending a WHOLE city or maybe a village into
Mars, if you want to to do it, do it community style.

There's a reason on why submarines never took women aboard when they
are doing their three months long mission.

One of the reasons of not doing it is not because the women aren't
capable, but because due to social tensions that will probably cause
major conflicts aboard the submarine.


Now... If you want to send as a ship to Mars with women aboard, I
suggest doing it with a father and daughters team. One father with his
daughters.

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Old February 13th 05, 08:38 AM
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Michael Smith wrote in
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Incidently I see a connection here with the thread on emergency return
from a stranded shuttle at ISS. Do some people fly on shuttle who
could never fit into a Soyutz seat?


Yes. Good point!

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Old February 13th 05, 04:04 PM
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On 2005-02-13, Jorge R. Frank wrote:
Michael Smith wrote in
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Incidently I see a connection here with the thread on emergency return
from a stranded shuttle at ISS. Do some people fly on shuttle who
could never fit into a Soyutz seat?


Yes. Good point!


Are there constraining features other than height, which is the one I
seem to recall having been mentioned before?

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Old February 13th 05, 06:03 PM
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Michael Smith wrote:

:On 12 Feb 2005 11:04:27 -0800
wrote:
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: Working in a factory (like the ones where many Chinese female workers
: work), sniping, living in micro-G enviroment and operating things do
: no require a strong and resistant creature.
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:But going to mars actually requires somebody physically small and able to live on smaller quantities of oxygen, food, etc.
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:More women would satisfy this requirement than men, so using Grigoryev's own argument it should be women going to Mars.

Think 'calcium loss'. I think this affects women much more severely
than men.

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Old February 13th 05, 11:57 PM
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Fred J. McCall wrote:
Michael Smith wrote:


But going to mars actually requires somebody
physically small and able to live on smaller
quantities of oxygen, food, etc.


More women would satisfy this requirement than men,
so using Grigoryev's own argument it should be
women going to Mars.


Think 'calcium loss'. I think this affects women
much more severely than men.


So now we're sending post-menopausal women to Mars?

Seriously, women don't have a higher risk of
osteoporosis until after menopause. Other risk factors
include being Asian or Caucasian, taking certain drugs,
smoking, alcoholism, bone structure and body weight,
lack of weight-bearing exercise and heredity.

rl


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Old February 15th 05, 11:22 AM
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Michael Smith wrote:


But going to mars actually requires somebody physically small and able to
live on smaller quantities of oxygen, food, etc.

More women would satisfy this requirement than men, so using Grigoryev's
own argument it should be women going to Mars.


ISTR there's an old article on this on NasaWatch somewhere.

Apart from being generally smaller, womens' superior social skills were
noted as an advantage.

'though from my work experience, I think as long as they behave mixed groups
work a lot better than either all male groups (which get blokey and macho)
and all female groups (which get catty and trivial).
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