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One would have thought that in space, where mainly temperature cycling
occurs, that this would make fasteners and bolts less of a problem to undo after long periods, given that different materials expand and contract differently. However, time and time again it seems this is far from the truth. I hope someone is researching this, as if humans do want to go a long way away, and need to undo some clever fastener or push a button to release a mechanism, and it gets stuck they can hardly wait for someone on earth to come up with a tool or some fancy lubricant to fix it. Brian |
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Brian Gaff wrote:
truth. I hope someone is researching this, as if humans do want to go a long way away, and need to undo some clever fastener or push a button to release a mechanism, and it gets stuck they can hardly wait for someone on earth to come up with a tool or some fancy lubricant to fix it. They know how to fix this already: some heaters and coolant loops around every external bolt in the station to keep them warm and comfy all the time. :-) Couldn't they use components for screw/bolt that react differently to cold in such a way that spraying liquid nitrogen or some other liquified gas onto the bolt would make it looser and easier to unscrew ? I was thinking about the screw contracting more than bolt under cold, but doing so might shorten the screw and thus bring the bolt down even tighter against the surface it is bolted on , making it harder to remove. |
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"John Doe" wrote in message ... Brian Gaff wrote: truth. I hope someone is researching this, as if humans do want to go a long way away, and need to undo some clever fastener or push a button to release a mechanism, and it gets stuck they can hardly wait for someone on earth to come up with a tool or some fancy lubricant to fix it. They know how to fix this already: some heaters and coolant loops around every external bolt in the station to keep them warm and comfy all the time. :-) Couldn't they use components for screw/bolt that react differently to cold in such a way that spraying liquid nitrogen or some other liquified gas onto the bolt would make it looser and easier to unscrew ? I was thinking about the screw contracting more than bolt under cold, but doing so might shorten the screw and thus bring the bolt down even tighter against the surface it is bolted on , making it harder to remove. Don't forget about vacuum. It can cause problems with lubricants and the like. That said, vacuum welding is a myth, according to Henry Spencer: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.s...09b7136c1206f5 Jeff -- "Take heart amid the deepening gloom that your dog is finally getting enough cheese" - Deteriorata - National Lampoon |
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Brian Gaff wrote:
Given all that with heaters etc, there does still seem to be a lott of bolts and fasteners that misbehave from the normal. I just wondered why this should be, or is it in fact much the same as we have here on the ground, except that given the way people have to wear awkward suits in space, its harder to simply put a large pair of mole grips and wd 40 to work? I recently got a carbon fibre bike frame. I was warned that with such frames, it is very important to not over-torque screws. And I came to better understand why NASA developped those multi-billion dollar power tools where you dial in a torque number and it promises to not exceed that limit. When you are in a space suit with those gloves and a fair pressure differential that "inflates" the suit, I suspect that an astronaut would have even less tactile feedback on how the wrench/bolt is behaving under a certain amount of force. I suspect that many problems are due to the bolt having been tightened with that power tool under specs of say 5 newtons, and when they do the eva to unbolt it, they program the tool to not exceed 5 newtons and the took is then unable to uncrew it. If a very critical bolt that holts the whole truss to the station has been rated at 5 newtons, are you willing to risk breaking the screw when you overtorque the bolt to unjam it ? If that screw breaks off with the bolt, you're going to need lots of space-rated duct tape to hold the station together. Perhaps NASA needs to spec all bolts to a minimum torque needed to tighten it, and a maximum allowed torque to unscrew it. This way, they could tighten bolts at say 5 newtons, and they could go up to say 8 newtons to unscrew it if it appears to be stuck. |
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John Doe wrote:
I suspect that many problems are due to the bolt having been tightened with that power tool under specs of say 5 newtons, and when they do the eva to unbolt it, they program the tool to not exceed 5 newtons and the took is then unable to uncrew it. You suspect incorrectly. As usual. D. -- Touch-twice life. Eat. Drink. Laugh. http://derekl1963.livejournal.com/ -Resolved: To be more temperate in my postings. Oct 5th, 2004 JDL |
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Derek Lyons wrote:
You suspect incorrectly. As usual. And insult instead of answering the question. As usual. |
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Not to mention mating connectors. Luckily they were not allowed to use the
hammer. Brian -- Brian Gaff....Note, this account does not accept Bcc: email. graphics are great, but the blind can't hear them Email: __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __________ "John Doe" wrote in message ... Derek Lyons wrote: You suspect incorrectly. As usual. And insult instead of answering the question. As usual. |
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John Doe wrote:
Derek Lyons wrote: You suspect incorrectly. As usual. And insult instead of answering the question. You didn't ask a question - you made a statement. Learn to tell the difference. D. -- Touch-twice life. Eat. Drink. Laugh. http://derekl1963.livejournal.com/ -Resolved: To be more temperate in my postings. Oct 5th, 2004 JDL |
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Derek Lyons wrote:
You didn't ask a question - you made a statement. Learn to tell the difference. Your professional attitude is refreshing. Bound to welcome people to this newsgroup. And in your rush to respond to my post, you conveniently forgot that the OP had asked a question. Since you appear to be one of the few who are allowed (by whom ?) to make statements while us mere mortals can only ask questions, perhaps you could asnwer the OP's original question ? |
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