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May 24th 05, 09:36 PM
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Do you believe?
The "Christianity and Science" discussion prompted me to ask:
Do you believe 1. that we're alone in the universe? (can't decide, some days yes, other days no) 2. in evolution? (no) 3. that the earth is a few billion years old? (no, but please don't ask me how old it may be cause I don't know) 4. that Dinosaurs became extinct 65 million years ago? (can't decide, but does it really matter) 5. that the great flood really happened? (yes) 6. that there is God who created heaven and earth? (yes) 7.everything scientists say? (no, but of course most of us don't) 8. in the big bang theory? (not sure, but it just may be right) 9. that humans landed on the moon? (yes) 10. that perhaps Mars was the first earth (Revelations)? (very possible, can't we send some robotic archaeologists?) Just for fun and to see what other people believe. Clear skies Jack Kotze South Africa 
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#2
May 24th 05, 09:41 PM
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"Jack Kotze" wrote in message ... The "Christianity and Science" discussion prompted me to ask: Do you believe 1. that we're alone in the universe? (can't decide, some days yes, other days no) Probably. 2. in evolution? (no) No. 3. that the earth is a few billion years old? (no, but please don't ask me how old it may be cause I don't know) Doubtful 4. that Dinosaurs became extinct 65 million years ago? (can't decide, but does it really matter) Don't know 5. that the great flood really happened? (yes) Yes, most definitely 6. that there is God who created heaven and earth? (yes) Yes, without a doubt. 7.everything scientists say? (no, but of course most of us don't) No, because I've seen them proven wrong many times. 8. in the big bang theory? (not sure, but it just may be right) No way! 9. that humans landed on the moon? (yes) Amazingly, yes. 10. that perhaps Mars was the first earth (Revelations)? (very possible, can't we send some robotic archaeologists?) No, there's no evidence that there is life there nor any evidence that there was life there in the past. I don't think we're going to find life anywhere else in the solar system. Just for fun and to see what other people believe. Erik Clear skies Jack Kotze South Africa
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#3
May 24th 05, 09:49 PM
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On Tue, 24 May 2005 22:36:06 +0200, "Jack Kotze"
wrote: The "Christianity and Science" discussion prompted me to ask.. If you don't believe in evolution, or that the Earth is several billion years old, you have no business posting this on a science newsgroup, nor any other forum designed for people with the ability to actually use their brains. Fortunately, there are plenty of newsgroups that cater to the ignorant and stupid. _________________________________________________ Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com
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#5
May 24th 05, 10:11 PM
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In article , "Jack Kotze"
wrote: The "Christianity and Science" discussion prompted me to ask: Do you believe A true scientist believes nothing. I accept that certain hypotheses are the best explanation for the evidence. If some other hyposthesis can do a better job, I am certainly willing to accept that. tom -- We have discovered a therapy ( NOT a cure ) for the common cold. Play tuba for an hour.
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#6
May 24th 05, 10:19 PM
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On Tue, 24 May 2005 14:06:53 -0700, "Mij Adyaw"
wrote: Not everyone believes in evolution including several PhD physicists that I know. You are an idiot and are one of the most ignorant and intolerant folks I have encountered on usenet. How many PhDs did you say you have? A degree in physics doesn't make someone a scientist. A scientist is someone who looks at the evidence and sets his beliefs accordingly. There are areas that are lacking much evidence, and consequently there is a wide range of opinion. But evolution and geologic chronology do not fall into these areas. These are as obvious as the observation that the Sun rises every day.You either accept these things as virtual facts, or you are not a scientist, and have no business pretending otherwise by posting on a SCI newsgroup. _________________________________________________ Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com
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#7
May 24th 05, 10:20 PM
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"Jack Kotze" wrote in news:d7035o$53e
: I do believe that people who "do not believe in evolution" - do not understand what faith is. - do not understand what science is. - will, if they gain momentum, ultimately seriously threaten the US lead in science and technology (which can be a good or a bad thing, depending on where you look at it from...) Hey, that's my opinion. In the long term, let me burn in Hell for having it but, in the short term, leave the science groups alone. The "Christianity and Science" discussion prompted me to ask: Do you believe 1. that we're alone in the universe? (can't decide, some days yes, other days no) 2. in evolution? (no) 3. that the earth is a few billion years old? (no, but please don't ask me how old it may be cause I don't know) 4. that Dinosaurs became extinct 65 million years ago? (can't decide, but does it really matter) 5. that the great flood really happened? (yes) 6. that there is God who created heaven and earth? (yes) 7.everything scientists say? (no, but of course most of us don't) 8. in the big bang theory? (not sure, but it just may be right) 9. that humans landed on the moon? (yes) 10. that perhaps Mars was the first earth (Revelations)? (very possible, can't we send some robotic archaeologists?) Just for fun and to see what other people believe. Clear skies Jack Kotze South Africa -- --- Pierre Vandevenne - DataRescue sa/nv - www.datarescue.com The IDA Pro Disassembler & Debugger - world leader in hostile code analysis PhotoRescue - advanced data recovery for digital photographic media latest review: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,1590497,00.asp
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#8
May 24th 05, 10:38 PM
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Ο "Jack Kotze" έγραψε στο μήνυμα
... The "Christianity and Science" discussion prompted me to ask: Do you believe 1. that we're alone in the universe? My guess is that the answer is "yes" for corporeal life forms. For non-corporeal life forms, such as ideas, memes and mathematical principles, the answer is probably no. These exist independently of brains which host them. At least in a "Platonic" interpretation. A "perfect circle" (as an idea) does not need a brain to exist. Only to manifest, and imperfectly, at that. 2. in evolution? Depends on how one defines "evolution". I consider it an insult to my intelligence if someone tells me that I am the descendant of a pithecine. Pithecines, such as Ramapithecus, Australopithecus Africanus, Afarensis and Boisei may have existed, but I don't believe they were directly linked to us. The much later variants, such as Homo Habilis, Homo Erectus and the Neanderthals seem to have been related to Homo Sapiens, as pre-links. There is a "gap" in the time line of the pithecines, around 2mil years ago, during which some of the pithecines (according to science) suffered an increase of brain capacity from around 660cc, reaching all the way to 1,700cc with Homo Sapiens. There are undocumented cases however (because they don't fit the evolutionary concensus), where there have been found skulls with capacities 2,000 and even 3,500cc, which are still unexplained. 3. that the earth is a few billion years old? I don't know. The only thing I am sure about, is that it's at least 40 years old :-) 4. that Dinosaurs became extinct 65 million years ago? The fossils and common sense seem to vindicate this. I am not a paleontologist, however. 5. that the great flood really happened? Probably. Some independent sources show that in the Grand Canyon there are certain very low sub-strata, which indicate softer sediment that had been deposited low on the canyon, probably as a result of a major flooding during some very old times. (I have no idea whether this happened during Biblical times though). Such sub-strata can be found in many countries which have naturally deep canyons or similar Earth formations. 6. that there is God who created heaven and earth? Most definitely. The only "tangible" proof imo, is Johann Sebastian Bach's music. 7.everything scientists say? When it's in their field of expertise, sure, unless they are cranks. When they make generalizing statements about other disciplines where they have no authority, no. The last statement says something about my own statements as well :-) 8. in the big bang theory? Don't know. 9. that humans landed on the moon? Yes. 10. that perhaps Mars was the first earth (Revelations)? There is a reason there are 9 planets. Each can host life on specific time frames, as a function of the Sun's position in the HR diagram. If there ever had been a "first Earth", it must have been Mercury, a "second Earth", Venus and this must be the "third Earth". Just for fun and to see what other people believe. Clear skies Jack Kotze South Africa -- I. N. Galidakis http://users.forthnet.gr/ath/jgal/ Eventually, _everything_ is understandable
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#9
May 24th 05, 11:09 PM
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Well, you see, everyone must believe in something. As for me, I believe
I'll have a big ol' gin and tonic -- after all, it's 5 o'clock somewhere. -- ----- Joe S. "Jack Kotze" wrote in message ... The "Christianity and Science" discussion prompted me to ask: Do you believe 1. that we're alone in the universe? (can't decide, some days yes, other days no) 2. in evolution? (no) 3. that the earth is a few billion years old? (no, but please don't ask me how old it may be cause I don't know) 4. that Dinosaurs became extinct 65 million years ago? (can't decide, but does it really matter) 5. that the great flood really happened? (yes) 6. that there is God who created heaven and earth? (yes) 7.everything scientists say? (no, but of course most of us don't) 8. in the big bang theory? (not sure, but it just may be right) 9. that humans landed on the moon? (yes) 10. that perhaps Mars was the first earth (Revelations)? (very possible, can't we send some robotic archaeologists?) Just for fun and to see what other people believe. Clear skies Jack Kotze South Africa
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#10
May 24th 05, 11:18 PM
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1. that we're alone in the universe?
I have no belief one way or the other although no evidence i know of has = demonstrated life outside the solar system.=20 2. in evolution? Yes. 3. that the earth is a few billion years old? Yes. 4. that Dinosaurs became extinct 65 million years ago? Yes.=20 5. that the great flood really happened? No. 6. that there is God who created heaven and earth? No. 7.everything scientists say? No. (Which scientists are we talking about here?) 8. in the big bang theory? Yes. 9. that humans landed on the moon? Yes. 10. that perhaps Mars was the first earth (Revelations)? Huh? Never heard this one before. No. -Florian
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