Sam⋅Wormley, the CMBR is 2.7 K today... TODAY. 

On Feb 2, 1:04*pm, Sam Wormley wrote:
On 2/2/13 11:46 AM, Brad Guth wrote:

So, how does anything of IR or that of any spectrum get away from the
EH of a black hole?

* *See:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawking_radiation







Hawking radiation is black body radiation that is predicted to be
emitted by black holes, due to quantum effects near the event
horizon. It is named after the physicist Stephen Hawking, who
provided a theoretical argument for its existence in 1974,[1] and
sometimes also after Jacob Bekenstein, who predicted that black holes
should have a finite, non-zero temperature and entropy.

In other words, you now agree with me that BHs are a shell of entirely
empty space with zero gravity inside of their EH. Because that's the
only way the interior volume of any BH can be as cold as you suggest.

On Feb 2, 1:24*pm, "G=EMC^2" wrote:
On Feb 2, 12:46*pm, Brad Guth wrote:









On Feb 2, 7:53*am, Sam Wormley wrote:

On 2/2/13 7:01 AM, Brad Guth wrote:

On Feb 1, 9:04 pm, Sam Wormley wrote:
On 2/1/13 7:28 PM, Brad Guth wrote:

Or, a BH could just as easily be 1e6 K, because no IR or any other
spectrum can escape.

* * That BH would have a mass of 1.2e+14 Metric Tons
* * And a lifetime of 4.9e+27 years

Or it could be a BH wotyh 2e36 Metric Tons.

Are you suggesting that science exist for measuring the innards of a
BH?

* *Don't be stooopid, Guth--the discussion is, in this part of the
* *thread, about the thermodynamic behavior of black holes. Pay
* *attention!

So, how does anything of IR or that of any spectrum get away from the
EH of a black hole?

mpc755 keeps insisting that aether escapes the polar jets, so is it
the thermodynamics of BH polar jets that you speak of?

Like all horizons the event horizon is just out sideb the sphere of
the black hole. Its a place where real and anti-particles part
company. *Inside a plack hole is not part of the universe,and has its
own world. A world where time is 0 A world where energy is 0 A world
of no atoms,for there is no space. If QM is wierd inside a black hole
it makes QM look like a beutifull picture puzzle and all the pieces
full back in place by themselves *TreBert

Indeed, their zero innards includes zero K as well as zero gravity.

On Feb 2, 1:06*pm, Sam Wormley wrote:
On 2/2/13 11:51 AM, Brad Guth wrote:

Black holes have been identified by their usually high amount of
positrons, as possibly emerging from their polar jets.

* *Black holes have been identifies by the gravitational influence
* *on their surroundings--binary system, gas near supermassive black
* *holes, etc.

Indeed, that too.

On Feb 2, 12:40*pm, Double-A wrote:
On Feb 2, 5:55*am, Brad Guth wrote:

On Feb 1, 9:04*pm, Sam Wormley wrote:

On 2/1/13 7:28 PM, Brad Guth wrote:

Or, a BH could just as easily be 1e6 K, because no IR or any other
spectrum can escape.

* *That BH would have a mass of 1.2e+14 Metric Tons
* *And a lifetime of 4.9e+27 years

An electron is how hot?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_temperature

Double-A

Thanks for that reminder. In other words, electrons and/or positrons
can get extremely hot, and because of their singularity size of
essentially zero volume, they could easily stay hot for a trillion
years.

On 2/2/13 4:08 PM, Brad Guth wrote:
On Feb 2, 1:04 pm, Sam Wormley wrote:
On 2/2/13 11:46 AM, Brad Guth wrote:

So, how does anything of IR or that of any spectrum get away from the
EH of a black hole?

See:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawking_radiation

Hawking radiation is black body radiation that is predicted to be
emitted by black holes, due to quantum effects near the event
horizon. It is named after the physicist Stephen Hawking, who
provided a theoretical argument for its existence in 1974,[1] and
sometimes also after Jacob Bekenstein, who predicted that black holes
should have a finite, non-zero temperature and entropy.

In other words, you now agree with me that BHs are a shell of entirely
empty space with zero gravity inside of their EH. Because that's the
only way the interior volume of any BH can be as cold as you suggest.


IIRC, I wrote that you, Guth, should try not to be so stooopid. Do you
remember?

On Feb 2, 2:34*pm, Sam Wormley wrote:
On 2/2/13 4:08 PM, Brad Guth wrote:









On Feb 2, 1:04 pm, Sam Wormley wrote:
On 2/2/13 11:46 AM, Brad Guth wrote:

So, how does anything of IR or that of any spectrum get away from the
EH of a black hole?

* * See:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawking_radiation

Hawking radiation is black body radiation that is predicted to be
emitted by black holes, due to quantum effects near the event
horizon. It is named after the physicist Stephen Hawking, who
provided a theoretical argument for its existence in 1974,[1] and
sometimes also after Jacob Bekenstein, who predicted that black holes
should have a finite, non-zero temperature and entropy.

In other words, you now agree with me that BHs are a shell of entirely
empty space with zero gravity inside of their EH. *Because that's the
only way the interior volume of any BH can be as cold as you suggest.

* *IIRC, I wrote that you, Guth, should try not to be so stooopid. Do you
* *remember?

In other words, you warm and fuzzy ZNR FUD-masters always want
absolutely everything going your way, or else.

You seem to be getting more so scientifically and physics bipolar.

On 2/2/13 4:42 PM, Brad Guth wrote:
On Feb 2, 2:34 pm, Sam Wormley wrote:
On 2/2/13 4:08 PM, Brad Guth wrote:









On Feb 2, 1:04 pm, Sam Wormley wrote:
On 2/2/13 11:46 AM, Brad Guth wrote:

So, how does anything of IR or that of any spectrum get away from the
EH of a black hole?

See:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawking_radiation

Hawking radiation is black body radiation that is predicted to be
emitted by black holes, due to quantum effects near the event
horizon. It is named after the physicist Stephen Hawking, who
provided a theoretical argument for its existence in 1974,[1] and
sometimes also after Jacob Bekenstein, who predicted that black holes
should have a finite, non-zero temperature and entropy.

In other words, you now agree with me that BHs are a shell of entirely
empty space with zero gravity inside of their EH. Because that's the
only way the interior volume of any BH can be as cold as you suggest.

IIRC, I wrote that you, Guth, should try not to be so stooopid. Do you
remember?

In other words, you warm and fuzzy ZNR FUD-masters always want
absolutely everything going your way, or else.

You seem to be getting more so scientifically and physics bipolar.


Guth, you seem to think there are alternatives to physics and the
scientific process. Think again.

On Feb 2, 10:55*am, Sam Wormley wrote:
On 2/2/13 7:55 AM, Brad Guth wrote:

On Feb 1, 9:04 pm, Sam Wormley wrote:
On 2/1/13 7:28 PM, Brad Guth wrote:

Or, a BH could just as easily be 1e6 K, because no IR or any other
spectrum can escape.

* * That BH would have a mass of 1.2e+14 Metric Tons
* * And a lifetime of 4.9e+27 years

An electron is how hot?

* *Must be measured. Try not to be stooopid, Guth.

Sam How do you measure a BH temp? What type of themometer do you
use"/ How close do you have to be for a good measurement. Keep in mind
gravity can make stuff very hot(trillions of F) Its in Google. The
small black hole of a few solar masses is a millionyh of a degree
above zero. Reality is stuff that did not go into a black hole as
seen from a great distance leads us to think it came out of the BH.
Get the picture Best to keep in mind a BH with a mass a billion times
a solar mass would have a temperate so close to absolute zero it can
be said to have no heat.. It would in reality be wiped out by spaces
2.7K All wave functions are 0 inside a black hole. You can not get
any information from a BH. Looks like Treb and I have BH nailed
TreBert

On Feb 2, 2:48*pm, Sam Wormley wrote:
On 2/2/13 4:42 PM, Brad Guth wrote:









On Feb 2, 2:34 pm, Sam Wormley wrote:
On 2/2/13 4:08 PM, Brad Guth wrote:

On Feb 2, 1:04 pm, Sam Wormley wrote:
On 2/2/13 11:46 AM, Brad Guth wrote:

So, how does anything of IR or that of any spectrum get away from the
EH of a black hole?

* * *See:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawking_radiation

Hawking radiation is black body radiation that is predicted to be
emitted by black holes, due to quantum effects near the event
horizon. It is named after the physicist Stephen Hawking, who
provided a theoretical argument for its existence in 1974,[1] and
sometimes also after Jacob Bekenstein, who predicted that black holes
should have a finite, non-zero temperature and entropy.

In other words, you now agree with me that BHs are a shell of entirely
empty space with zero gravity inside of their EH. *Because that's the
only way the interior volume of any BH can be as cold as you suggest.

* * IIRC, I wrote that you, Guth, should try not to be so stooopid.. Do you
* * remember?

In other words, you warm and fuzzy ZNR FUD-masters always want
absolutely everything going your way, or else.

You seem to be getting more so scientifically and physics bipolar.

* *Guth, you seem to think there are alternatives to physics and the
* *scientific process. Think again.

Your expertise of BHs is roughly worth squat, and to think you can't
even interpret a photograph without obfuscating your mainstream status-
quo butt off. Think again, right back at you.

On Feb 2, 12:51*pm, Brad Guth wrote:
On Feb 2, 8:37*am, Adolf Arch-Impersonator
wrote:









On Feb 2, 10:55*am, Sam Wormley wrote:

On 2/2/13 7:55 AM, Brad Guth wrote:

On Feb 1, 9:04 pm, Sam Wormley wrote:
On 2/1/13 7:28 PM, Brad Guth wrote:

Or, a BH could just as easily be 1e6 K, because no IR or any other
spectrum can escape.

* * That BH would have a mass of 1.2e+14 Metric Tons
* * And a lifetime of 4.9e+27 years

An electron is how hot?

* *Must be measured. Try not to be stooopid, Guth.

I'm guessing that the temperature of emitted electrons from a black
hole would have to depend upon the time that they were emitted, e.g. a
black hole with a mass of 10^15 g continuously emits radiation
(electrons) for 10^10 years, corresponding to the age of the universe.

But observations of evaporating black holes would therefore have to
apply to holes with masses 10^16 g.

And whether or not evaporating black holes eventually disappear
altogether, would mean that they would have to violate the
conservation of baryon charge. My guess is that black holes would have
to stop evaporating at some quantum level, and divide up as electrons
around 10^-5 g.

Black holes have been identified by their usually high amount of
positrons, as possibly emerging from their polar jets. *mpc755 calls
this BH polar outflux aether.

Electrons having a rest mass of 9.1066 × 10^-28 gr., would also mean,
that there are 1.09e22 electrons available, before causing a BH
collapse.

Perhaps this is why mass goes radiating critically' before it
disappears. Just a thought: Rotating superconductors should be
designed not to exceed this limit before going 'critical'.