Enterprise OV-101 missing OMS pods

Isn't the US flag backwards?

William C. Keel wrote:

Now that you mention it - I have some pictures from June 21 which
show a distinct lack of OMS pods. (Also missing bits of RCC on
one wing, but that's accounted for). I didn't even notice at the time -
must have been paying too much attention to our 11-year-old as
he ran off toward the Enola Gay...

Bill Keel

On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 19:39:13 -0600, Allen Newman
wrote:

Pictures of OV-101 in its newly opened museum show that its OMS pods
have been removed sometime in the last year. Anyone know why?

Now you seem them:
http://imageevent.com/ralf/virginia/airmuseum

Now you don't:
http://www.nasa.gov/lb/vision/earth/...nterprise.html

....They're still there at U-H, but are being worked on as part of the
restoration purposes. IIRC, they were removed and measured as part of
the CAIB's investigation, but never left U-H and/or NASM.

OM

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ScannerDesk wrote:

Isn't the US flag backwards?

They're aligned on either side of the fuselage so that they appear as
if the flagpole they are on were at the front of the vehicle and they're
streaming back from it in the airstream.

Pat

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On 2004-11-06, Pat Flannery wrote:


ScannerDesk wrote:

Isn't the US flag backwards?

They're aligned on either side of the fuselage so that they appear as
if the flagpole they are on were at the front of the vehicle and they're
streaming back from it in the airstream.

Snopes, IIRC, has a page on this as it pertains to US military uniforms
(the flag being "backwards" on one side)

--
-Andrew Gray

Neon Knight wrote:

Allen Newman wrote in news:anewmanagn-
:

Pictures of OV-101 in its newly opened museum show that its OMS pods
have been removed sometime in the last year. Anyone know why?

No, but it's interesting that they kept the name on the cargo bay doors
instead of moving it to the crew compartment like other shuttles.

It's also interesting that they didn't meatball the shuttle, either. She
still has the worm on the cargo bay doors and the pre-Goldin wing markings.

On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 08:29:14 -0500, Mark Lopa wrote:

Neon Knight wrote:

Allen Newman wrote in news:anewmanagn-
:

Pictures of OV-101 in its newly opened museum show that its OMS pods
have been removed sometime in the last year. Anyone know why?

No, but it's interesting that they kept the name on the cargo bay doors
instead of moving it to the crew compartment like other shuttles.

It's also interesting that they didn't meatball the shuttle, either. She
still has the worm on the cargo bay doors and the pre-Goldin wing markings.


She's a "museum piece" that should be preserved as she was as a test article.
NASA didn't continually update her markings along with the spacefaring fleet,
did it?

Dale

Dale wrote:

On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 08:29:14 -0500, Mark Lopa wrote:

Neon Knight wrote:

Allen Newman wrote in news:anewmanagn-
:

Pictures of OV-101 in its newly opened museum show that its OMS pods
have been removed sometime in the last year. Anyone know why?

No, but it's interesting that they kept the name on the cargo bay doors
instead of moving it to the crew compartment like other shuttles.

It's also interesting that they didn't meatball the shuttle, either. She
still has the worm on the cargo bay doors and the pre-Goldin wing markings.


She's a "museum piece" that should be preserved as she was as a test article.
NASA didn't continually update her markings along with the spacefaring fleet,
did it?

Dale

If you're saying the marking should have never been changed after the ALTs in the
70s, I agree. Adding the black paint around the windows, mock RCS near the nose,
and speed brake to make the orbiter look more like the operationsl shuttle was
bogus, in my mind, and it still doesn't looks them.

Mark Lopa wrote:

It's also interesting that they didn't meatball the shuttle, either. She
still has the worm on the cargo bay doors and the pre-Goldin wing markings.


As well she should- that is the form of markings she did her drop tests
in, so that is the form she should now wear.
She's an historic aircraft, and should be preserved in the form she made
history in- rather than say making her into a ice-cream stand in Gorky Park.


Pat

Dale wrote in message . ..
On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 08:29:14 -0500, Mark Lopa wrote:

Neon Knight wrote:

Allen Newman wrote in news:anewmanagn-
:

Pictures of OV-101 in its newly opened museum show that its OMS pods
have been removed sometime in the last year. Anyone know why?

No, but it's interesting that they kept the name on the cargo bay doors
instead of moving it to the crew compartment like other shuttles.

It's also interesting that they didn't meatball the shuttle, either. She
still has the worm on the cargo bay doors and the pre-Goldin wing markings.


She's a "museum piece" that should be preserved as she was as a test article.
NASA didn't continually update her markings along with the spacefaring fleet,
did it?

NASA only updated OV-101's markings during the timeframe that she was
considered "in service". This also included the timeframe she was used
as an ambassador at the Paris Air Show, and as a test article at VAFB
in the early to mid-80's.

Afterwords, when she was retired, and particularly after she was turn
over to NASM, Enterprise wound up being left "as is". There's just no
point in upgrading a vehicle that is no longer being used, and is no
longer specifically under one's direct ownership, even if the changes
are only cosmetic.
-Mike

Pat Flannery wrote in message ...
Mark Lopa wrote:

It's also interesting that they didn't meatball the shuttle, either. She
still has the worm on the cargo bay doors and the pre-Goldin wing markings.


As well she should- that is the form of markings she did her drop tests
in, so that is the form she should now wear.
She's an historic aircraft, and should be preserved in the form she made
history in- rather than say making her into a ice-cream stand in Gorky Park.


Actually, the markings that Enterprise has on her now are NOT the ones
she had during the ALT test flights. In the early 80's, OV-101 was
altered to more closely resemble the "production" OVs in TPS pattern,
and markings (Columbia's markings being excepted, of course).
-Mike