What a difference 40 years makes

On Apr 22, 7:37 pm, "Alan Erskine" wrote:
"Brian Thorn" wrote in message

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On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:05:54 GMT, "Alan Erskine"
wrote:

In 1968, Apollo 8 took the famous Earth Rise image; now the Japanese have
taken a much sharper image
http://www.jaxa.jp/press/2008/04/img..._kaguya_02.jpg

The Apollo 8 image is still better. Kayuga's Earth looks like a
Photoshop job.

Brian

Jesus Brian; don't say things like that! You know how CT is! ;-)

Where the heck did all the lunar worth of mineral reflected hue or
color saturation go?

Why has their CCD dynamic range(DR) gotten so limited, as though
restricted to only a few db or of such limited contrast bits.

In the original JAXA color images, shortly before arriving at their
final orbital mission placement, the moon had been looking as though
quite a bluish/purple item, without any PhotoShop modifications.

Are each of the JAXA/Selene HDTV telephoto and wide angle cameras
selectively broken, so that moon related pixels are no longer capable
of detecting a given mineral hue?
.. - Brad Guth

On Apr 23, 6:48 am, "Jeff Findley"
wrote:
"Brian Thorn" wrote in message

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On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:05:54 GMT, "Alan Erskine"
wrote:

In 1968, Apollo 8 took the famous Earth Rise image; now the Japanese have
taken a much sharper image
http://www.jaxa.jp/press/2008/04/img..._kaguya_02.jpg

The Apollo 8 image is still better. Kayuga's Earth looks like a
Photoshop job.

My thought as well (and this was after I went to the site to see if there
were higher resolution versions of the new pictures).

In a lot of ways, a high end (large format) film camera is still superior to
a high end digital camera. The cameras carried by Apollo were actually very
good. Unfortunately, the astronauts were a far cry from professional
photographers, so it's not terribly surprising that the quality of many of
the photos is lacking.

However, the famous Apollo 8 earthrise photo is very good, all things
considered.

Jeff
--
A clever person solves a problem.
A wise person avoids it. -- Einstein

? You've got access to an actual Apollo frame of film ?
.. - Brad Guth

"Jeff Findley" wrote in message
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"Brian Thorn" wrote in message
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On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:05:54 GMT, "Alan Erskine"
wrote:

In 1968, Apollo 8 took the famous Earth Rise image; now the Japanese have
taken a much sharper image
http://www.jaxa.jp/press/2008/04/img..._kaguya_02.jpg

The Apollo 8 image is still better. Kayuga's Earth looks like a
Photoshop job.

My thought as well (and this was after I went to the site to see if there
were higher resolution versions of the new pictures).

In a lot of ways, a high end (large format) film camera is still superior
to a high end digital camera. The cameras carried by Apollo were actually
very good. Unfortunately, the astronauts were a far cry from professional
photographers, so it's not terribly surprising that the quality of many of
the photos is lacking.

However, the famous Apollo 8 earthrise photo is very good, all things
considered.

Jeff
--
A clever person solves a problem.
A wise person avoids it. -- Einstein

"Jeff Findley" wrote in message
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"Brian Thorn" wrote in message
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On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:05:54 GMT, "Alan Erskine"
wrote:

In 1968, Apollo 8 took the famous Earth Rise image; now the Japanese have
taken a much sharper image
http://www.jaxa.jp/press/2008/04/img..._kaguya_02.jpg

The Apollo 8 image is still better. Kayuga's Earth looks like a
Photoshop job.

My thought as well (and this was after I went to the site to see if there
were higher resolution versions of the new pictures).

In a lot of ways, a high end (large format) film camera is still superior
to a high end digital camera. The cameras carried by Apollo were actually
very good. Unfortunately, the astronauts were a far cry from professional
photographers, so it's not terribly surprising that the quality of many of
the photos is lacking.

However, the famous Apollo 8 earthrise photo is very good, all things
considered.


Keep in mind too that many of the pictures we've seen are copies of copies
of copies etc. They don't necessarily reflect the best production qualities
available.


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In article ,
says...
In 1968, Apollo 8 took the famous Earth Rise image; now the Japanese have
taken a much sharper image [...]

The image quality beats the daylights out of those taken by Apollo 8 in
1968. The camera on the Kayuga is digital, whereas the cameras used by
Apollo were film. The technological changes in 40 years are incredible.

??
The Japanese image is HDTV, I.e., about 2 Mpixel. The Lunar Hassie was,
roughly, 20 Mpixel. Yeah, that's incredible change. An order-of-
magnitude change, although not for the better...

Just a hint: the difference between 2 Mpixel and 20 Mpixel isn't going
to be visible in a 1/4 Mpixel image, even if we ignore the effects of
lossy (JPG) compression that, in this case, has thrown away over half
the original data.

And let's not even begin to discuss that film has a higher dynamic range
(ability to record really bright things and really dark things) than any
available digital media...

All that being said: wow, that's a lovely image!
--
Kevin Willoughby lid

Kansas City, this was Air Force One. Will you change
our call sign to SAM 27000? -- Col. Ralph Albertazzie

On Apr 23, 8:33 pm, Kevin Willoughby
wrote:
In article ,
says...

In 1968, Apollo 8 took the famous Earth Rise image; now the Japanese have
taken a much sharper image [...]

The image quality beats the daylights out of those taken by Apollo 8 in
1968. The camera on the Kayuga is digital, whereas the cameras used by
Apollo were film. The technological changes in 40 years are incredible.

??
The Japanese image is HDTV, I.e., about 2 Mpixel. The Lunar Hassie was,
roughly, 20 Mpixel. Yeah, that's incredible change. An order-of-
magnitude change, although not for the better...

Just a hint: the difference between 2 Mpixel and 20 Mpixel isn't going
to be visible in a 1/4 Mpixel image, even if we ignore the effects of
lossy (JPG) compression that, in this case, has thrown away over half
the original data.

And let's not even begin to discuss that film has a higher dynamic range
(ability to record really bright things and really dark things) than any
available digital media...

All that being said: wow, that's a lovely image!
--
Kevin Willoughby

Kansas City, this was Air Force One. Will you change
our call sign to SAM 27000? -- Col. Ralph Albertazzie

Of one set of color pixels or 20 million of them doesn't matter.
Where's the natural secondary/recoil saturation worth of photons
coming off our physically dark as coal moon?

Lunar minerals do have a hue or saturation of color to behold. So,
why have those JAXA/Selene images been intentionally modified in order
to subdue or entirely exclude the vast bulk of the natural rich colors
of our naked moon?
.. - Brad Guth