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National Review blows its cork over NASA's Bolden
On 7/11/2010 2:06 AM, Pat Flannery wrote:
On 7/10/2010 7:22 PM, John Park wrote: Don't forget, in this case, lower g is associated with a bit more ionising radiation. Could we be talking about simple mutations? According to this, salmonella is constantly mutating anyway; http://www.foodsafetynews.com/2010/0...cine-in-works/ So how can you tell if the space salmonella mutations are due to zero-G, radiation, or just naturally occurring mutations in the particular colony of salmonella you took into orbit? I would expect the salmonella to behave a bit differently under space growth conditions, the part I have trouble with is it suddenly turning into some sort of super-bug. This reminds me of the old Mir Giant Space Worm story, where it sounded like the space station was infested with the Andromeda Strain: http://www.anomalist.com/reports/mir.html For real fun, read the message form from the people who own stock in Astrotech: http://messages.finance.yahoo.com/mb/ASTC Pat |
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National Review blows its cork over NASA's Bolden
On Jul 6, 8:53*pm, Pat Flannery wrote:
As if Michael Steele wasn't bad enough, now another black man is cuddling up to the enemies of Israel:http://corner.nationalreview.com/pos...Q4NjM4MTUwN2Rl... Pat If there's still no spare public loot on the horizon (only trillions in debt and worse things to come), how the hell are all those physics and scientific research grants plus all of them cushy government jobs with terrific benefits and COL insurance going to get paid? As long as we keep ****ing off Muslims and a few others we've either used and discarded or having simply banished into abject sweatshop poverty, there's going to be war upon war or perhaps worse consequences. ~ BG |
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National Review blows its cork over NASA's Bolden
Pat Flannery wrote:
My favorite is still the flu germs that get carried from Venus to Earth on the solar wind: http://www.datasync.com/~rsf1/vel/1918.htm In short, flu as a venereal disease. ;-) Pat Well a Venus fly-by atmospheric sample return mission ought to help resolve this issue. Or if you think the stakes too high ala Andromeda Strain and 'Project Scoop' then send a satellite that can culture bacteria and viruses of atmospheric samples taken while in-orbit around Venus. However, the 'venereal disease' ;-) argument isn't helped by the fact that the link above includes a reference to Velikovsky. It'd be very interesting biology as to why Venus would be a good breeding ground for Earth contagions. Dave |
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National Review blows its cork over NASA's Bolden
Pat Flannery wrote:
Until I read that zero-G is more like the inside of our intestines than most earth medical labs can simulate, I had no idea that our innards were coated with Cavorite. :-D Pat I've been to plenty of restaurants where the after effects I swear, we're the same as if the food contained Cavorite. And I *do* plan to avoid that London restaurant where the salads served (or was it the Pepper shaker?) in some rare cases appear to contain Polonium*. Dave Note to self: Avoid restaurants where the pepper shakers are stored in hexagonal arrays.... |
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National Review blows its cork over NASA's Bolden
In article tatelephone,
Pat Flannery wrote: On 7/9/2010 7:49 AM, Craig Bingman wrote: In , Brian wrote: On Wed, 07 Jul 2010 20:28:12 -0800, Pat wrote: It's highly unlikely the ISS will ever repay even a small part of its development, construction, and resupply costs in any sort of a tangible economic way at any point in the future. If the Salmonella vaccine pans out, it might already have. I'm not convinced that any of the critical steps on the way to a salmonella vaccine had anything to do with experiments done in space. Sorry. According to Astrogenetix, the Salmonella mutates in low gravity into a more virulent form, and then they extract mutant DNA from it to make into a vaccine that can defeat the less virulent earthly forms. And if they wave their hands fast enough they might be able to fly. If you read the public blurbs about this, you see common features..... they send bacteria to space and grow them. they claim this makes them more pathogenic vague claims about a "latent genetic code" are made they seem to have a good idea already about what makes salmonella pathogenic, though, since they say this is all similar to what happens in the human gut. then they say that another team is testing compounds for a vaccine (maybe true) but they never really say what the space experiments had to do with the compounds being tested, or why the experiments could not have been done on earth. Additionally, sorry guys, i have no idea why an organism with a long axis a few microns long, living in a liquid medium would be affected by microgravity at all. Maybe there are some interesting growth effects under certain conditions, but i really sincerely doubt that the only place these conditions can be created is in space. If anyone thinks that bringing organisms back to Earth that have mutated into more virulent forms in space is a bad idea, I fully agree. This sounds like Fred Hoyle's Comet-Borne Flu Germs being done on purpose. Actually it sounds more like a billionaire's son found an interesting way to get some PR. -- -- |
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National Review blows its cork over NASA's Bolden
On 7/11/2010 7:13 PM, David Spain wrote:
Pat Flannery wrote: Until I read that zero-G is more like the inside of our intestines than most earth medical labs can simulate, I had no idea that our innards were coated with Cavorite. :-D Pat I've been to plenty of restaurants where the after effects I swear, we're the same as if the food contained Cavorite. And I *do* plan to avoid that London restaurant where the salads served (or was it the Pepper shaker?) in some rare cases appear to contain Polonium*. Wasn't it the tea? Note to self: Avoid restaurants where the pepper shakers are stored in hexagonal arrays.... Or the sis-kabobs are served on cadmium rods. Pat |
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National Review blows its cork over NASA's Bolden
On 7/11/2010 7:27 PM, Craig Bingman wrote:
then they say that another team is testing compounds for a vaccine (maybe true) Two I know of; the one I linked to, and another that is for chickens, not people: http://www.accessexcellence.org/WN/SUA10/samvax697.php Neither is space-related. but they never really say what the space experiments had to do with the compounds being tested, or why the experiments could not have been done on earth. Additionally, sorry guys, i have no idea why an organism with a long axis a few microns long, living in a liquid medium would be affected by microgravity at all. Maybe there are some interesting growth effects under certain conditions, but i really sincerely doubt that the only place these conditions can be created is in space. I was wondering about the organisms floating around in zero-G rather than adhering to things like the growth medium, causing them to spread faster. Pat |
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