Von Braun rockets on Encyclopedia Astronautica

Pat Flannery wrote:

Scott Lowther wrote:

It's in
the book book "Hitler's Siegswaffen, Band 2- Star Wars 1947"



Never heard of that particular book book. It sounds like a winner,
though. Low production value?




All you have to do is photocopy Wright-Patterson AFB's copy of "Rocket
Drive For Long-range Bombers" by Eugen Sanger and Irene Brendt, and send
it to the author-

Why can't he get his own? Hell, I got my copy of the report by
photocopying one that came from interlibrary loan. I saw a rather
ragged original of the translation at the Purdue U library just a bit
over a year ago... *******s wouldn't sell it to me.


one Friedrich George (not his real name; his real name
is....A STATE SECRET!) and you too may receive free autographed copies
of all of his books. Which are very nicely printed and bound by the way,
and have lots of color pages; the only peculiarity being that the
writing on the spine is 180 degrees reversed from the way it is on
American books. (i.e. when sitting with the front cover title upright on
the bookshelf, the spine writing reads bottom-to-top.)
The reunited Germany is busy reinventing its past;

With help from Russian, American, British, Polish, French, etc.
"authors." Funny thing is, I see more "Germans had *everything*"
nonsense coming from their former enemies than from German fantasy
writers.

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Scott Lowther wrote:

*Actually, I have a side and top-view painting of it...and I treat those
paintings with every bit as much trust as I treat the Nazi Flying Saucer
cutaways, even though they're not by the Boys From Barcelona. It's in
the book book "Hitler's Siegswaffen, Band 2- Star Wars 1947"

Never heard of that particular book book. It sounds like a winner,
though. Low production value?

Ah, here we go:
http://www.geocities.com/unicraftmodels/books.htm

The great thing about the digital revolution is that it allows far more
to be published. The bad thing about the digital revolution is that it
allows far more rubbish to be published.

But... I'll probably buy Vol 2& 3 anyway (already ahve Vol 1). I'm a
sucker for sci-fi tech manuals...

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Scott Lowther wrote:



I've read about it in numerous places- generally in regard to the
postwar Soviet program; but have never been able to track down even a
sketch of the damned thing*- it was supposed to be an A4 with a ramjet
driven missile stuck on the side Navaho-style (or possibly on top-



I suspect you're thinking of this:
http://www.geocities.com/unicraftmodels/germ/v4/v4.htm

You can probably guess what I think the accuracy of this is.



I could make something looking like that out of left-over parts from the
model scrap box also.
That's the one from my autographed book; I wrote to author "X" and told
him that I thought it was a piece of crap...note that it appears to have
a rocket in the main fuselage; which sort of removes the need for the
V-2. Also, if you do actually stick a thing shaped like that on the nose
of a V-2, it's going to go completely out of control due to the wings;
if the V-2 even has enough thrust to lift it off the pad...I first read
about this around 20 years ago (and I'm still trying to track down
where...is this mentioned in Zaloga's "Target America" by any chance? I
don't have a copy of that one, but read it through inter-library loan.)
before the "Secret Nazi Project Discovered" craze hit, and I think it
was in reference to the Soviet continuation of the project. (our
continuation of the same thing was apparently the Hermes II a souped up
V-2 with lenticular ramjets in the wings of the separable front end.
This was apparently the one that took the trip to the Juarez cemetery:
http://www.ufx.org/gfb/hermes.html )

Pat

Scott Lowther wrote:

With help from Russian, American, British, Polish, French, etc.
"authors." Funny thing is, I see more "Germans had *everything*"
nonsense coming from their former enemies than from German fantasy
writers.



This is the counter-reaction against communism's fall in the eastern
block...."If communism is bad... and the Nazis fought communism... then
the Nazis must therefore be...."

The two sides of the same wooden nickel.

Pat

Scott Lowther wrote:


But... I'll probably buy Vol 2& 3 anyway (already ahve Vol 1). I'm a
sucker for sci-fi tech manuals...



And I'll have the valuable autographed first editions. And I'm thanked
in the acknowledgments of the one with the Ju-488 on the cover, I'll
have you know.
What...the hell.....is the thing on the cover the bottom one:
http://www.geocities.com/unicraftmodels/book3germ.jpg ? It looks like
somebody tore the wings off of a Triebflugel and stuck turbojets on the
front.

Pat

Pat Flannery wrote:

Scott Lowther wrote:


But... I'll probably buy Vol 2& 3 anyway (already ahve Vol 1). I'm a
sucker for sci-fi tech manuals...



And I'll have the valuable autographed first editions. And I'm thanked
in the acknowledgments of the one with the Ju-488 on the cover, I'll
have you know.
What...the hell.....is the thing on the cover the bottom one:
http://www.geocities.com/unicraftmodels/book3germ.jpg ? It looks like
somebody tore the wings off of a Triebflugel and stuck turbojets on the
front.

Looks more like someone had a brain fart and decided to put ramjets on
the forward fins of a Wasserfall SAM, and stick some poor schmuck in the
nose.


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Scott Lowther wrote:


Looks more like someone had a brain fart and decided to put ramjets on
the forward fins of a Wasserfall SAM, and stick some poor schmuck in the
nose.




"Dundervogel Eine" from National Socialist Rescue?*
Horse and Rider; another drawing:
http://www.germanvtol.com/fieslerfolder/fi_166.html
This one supposedly by Bachem, and manned.
Mercado and Miranda strike again!

Pat

* Now, _there_ would be an interesting alternative future; a Nazi-run
Britain where Gerry and Sylvia Anderson work on fascist
puppetoons...Ubercar...Feuerball AH-5...Sting-U-Booten...Kapitan
Richthofen Und Der Mysterians...

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Scott Lowther wrote:

I thought they were supposed to be in Spain.



Nope. That would have required a conquest of Spain... certainly the
Nazis thought they could do it, but one more headache. The A-9/10
actually had some launch sites under construction in France, IIRC.



Okay, nothing on the "Horse and Rider" yet; but after several hours of
digging around in my books; I find a photographic reproduction of a
notebook page on graph paper from the A9/A10 project on page 101 of
Ernst Klee and Otto Merk's "The Birth Of The Missile" E.P Dutton & Co.
Inc.,1965 (introduction by WvB- so I think we can assume that it gets
the seal of approval) which has the distance and trajectory figures for
A9/A10 launches from Ouessant, France (5 degrees West; 48.45 degrees
North) and Cape da Roca, Portugal (so I was at least close) (9.45
degrees West; 37.75 degrees North) to New York City, Pittsburgh, and
Washington D.C.- the document has a number on it: "2/1-2"- but whether
this is a date, or a file number I don't know. (the photo-reproduction
of the drawing of the six thrust chamber A10 motor on page 100 has
"Archiv Nr..................Seite 69/6" on it, with the "69/6"
handwritten in.... as the "2/1-2" is also).

Pat

If you have a copy of Walter Dornberger's recent reprint of , V2 - Der
Schuss ins Weltall, now called Peenemuende, Die Geschichte Der
V-Waffen, Ullstein, 1999, there is a neat table of technical data the
A4, A 60, A 4b, A9 and A9/A10.

By the by is that "Das Pferd und der Mitfahrer"?

I too am going to move my thread on the piloted A9 to the History
group.

Pat Flannery wrote:

http://www.germanvtol.com/fieslerfolder/fi_166.html
This one supposedly by Bachem, and manned.
Mercado and Miranda strike again!

Actaully, no. This one is for real. While Mercado/Miranda have drawn
them up... the three-views shown at the top fo this page are the real
deal.


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Scott Lowther wrote:

Actaully, no. This one is for real. While Mercado/Miranda have drawn
them up... the three-views shown at the top fo this page are the real
deal.




WHAT! A secret German aircraft project I didn't know about? (much less
have a model of?) I thought I knew about them all...if some German
designer got a few too many beers in him, and scribbled out something
with forward swept wings, rockets, and ramjets on a paper napkin in the
bar, I thought it would have been in one of my books; now somebody
sneaks something with a modified A5 hanging off the bottom clean under
my literary radar! I feel like the PVO Strany after Mathias Rust landed
in Red Square....well at least this is probably where the "Horse and
Rider" concept got started...now if I can connect this with some sort of
an unmanned missile, as opposed to manned aircraft, the mystery will be
getting close to solved. Here is an interesting thought- Why didn't the
Germans ever stick an A5 on the nose of an A4- the way we did with the
WAC Corporal in Project Bumper? Given von Braun's interest in
multi-stage rockets, you would have thought that he could have talked
the army into this idea as a test vehicle for the A9/A10; particularly
given the fact that there was a winged test variant of the A5 in
existence (the A7; photo on page 262 of the "V Missiles of the Third
Reich" book)

Pat