What if there is an Aether

I was wondering what would be the effect on present day
theories of space and time, the big bang and other cosmic
ideas if the experiment proposed by Maurizio Consoli in the
New Scientist
http://www.newscientist.com/channel/...mg18624930.900

actually finds there is an Aether out there.

posty

.... enter ~
Return, like Eistein's space traveller,
A million years later.

Life's moved on, way past on ...

nightbat wrote

The Postman wrote:

I was wondering what would be the effect on present day
theories of space and time, the big bang and other cosmic
ideas if the experiment proposed by Maurizio Consoli in the
New Scientist
http://www.newscientist.com/channel/...mg18624930.900

actually finds there is an Aether out there.

posty

nightbat

Oc's sense of mission in life would be complete.

the nightbat

From Nightbat:

Oc's sense of mission in life would be
complete.

Nay, not so, Night. Doubtlessly the Void-Space Paradijjm(VSP) will
remain ensconced for the forseeable future. What's utterly amazing is
that it was hatched scarcely 80 years ago and became the bedrock axiom
of science virtually overnight. It WOULD be fascinating to understand
how this could have happened, particularly since Einstein continued
recognizing the spatial medium after Michelson-Morley proved the
non-existance of a 'rigid-lattice' ether. So why did he continue
recognizing an 'ether' for more than 30 years and then pull the sudden
switch to the void-space model? He finally rejected the rigid model and
rightly so. So why, instead of recognizing the literal, dynamic FLOWING
medium amenable to compression/expansion and density gradients, did he
throw out the baby with the bathwater? Enquiring minds would like to
know. So far (AFAIK) no explanation has been forthcoming. The whole
subject of how the void-space idea was spawned is sort of a "black hole
of Calcutta". oc

Aether,
Hatched 80 year ago ~ ?

Not ~ !

Since Medieval,
Or before, under any other name ...

Aether,
Hatched 80 year ago ~ ? Not!

The Twitterer needs a course in reading comprehension. OF COURSE the
'ether' came down from antiquity, and was a no-brainer to the pioneers
of the electrical age, including Faraday, Maxwell, Tesla, and to Lorentz
and Uncle A himself until well into the 1920s. Tesla never wavered from
the certainty of the spatial medium's existance. What *was* hatched 80
years ago was the space-as-void idea. oc

nightbat wrote

Bill Sheppard wrote:

From Nightbat:

Oc's sense of mission in life would be
complete.

Nay, not so, Night. Doubtlessly the Void-Space Paradijjm(VSP) will
remain ensconced for the forseeable future. What's utterly amazing is
that it was hatched scarcely 80 years ago and became the bedrock axiom
of science virtually overnight. It WOULD be fascinating to understand
how this could have happened, particularly since Einstein continued
recognizing the spatial medium after Michelson-Morley proved the
non-existance of a 'rigid-lattice' ether. So why did he continue
recognizing an 'ether' for more than 30 years and then pull the sudden
switch to the void-space model? He finally rejected the rigid model and
rightly so. So why, instead of recognizing the literal, dynamic FLOWING
medium amenable to compression/expansion and density gradients, did he
throw out the baby with the bathwater? Enquiring minds would like to
know. So far (AFAIK) no explanation has been forthcoming. The whole
subject of how the void-space idea was spawned is sort of a "black hole
of Calcutta". oc

nightbat

I take it you missed my response a while back to your question
in one of your Zinni up and close interchanges and I had stated it was
more likely due to the intense at the time then pressure of the anti
Nazi Japanese war effort unity demands by his mutual science peers. The
race to be first to successfully built the atomic bomb was enormous and
all stops were pulled to accomplish it. The question of Aether (ether)
was regulated to the back burner along with Dr. Einstein's deeper
preoccupation with it. And because of the huge success of the atomic age
and nuclear energy formulation the subject of the space Aether had
become all but expedient. Dr. Einstein was left to talk to his parrot,
doodle on, and ride his bike into the University sunset.

You don't really need deep theoretical 1st cause understanding of the
spatial medium since it for all practical intensive purposes came up
percentage MM null to begin with. It was never proved however that it
doesn't exist just that it pointed towards the quantum and beyond Planck
length and uncertainty phase realm. An area not particularly liked by
practical physical scientists looking for exacting understanding and
results yet the quantum nuclear physics that Dr. E ushered in and made
fruitful is still going strong.

I have previously net informed oc while the actual physical Aether proof
remains elusive the invisible reality of its existence stares us in the
face because we are ultimately imbedded in it. The Classic perceived
physical rigid Aether is no more for empirical test after test has all
but ruled it out. What still remains or is not presently entirely
accounted for is the very basic or intrinsic invisible non physical pure
quantum energy nature of it. A form of virtual overlapping multi sub
state quantum particle or wave form events and when subjected to
extremely directed high velocity or momentum, applied temperature or
pressure, and directed confinement, becomes micro or pico second
residual theoretically and mathematically deduced and limitly observed,
extremely short lived quantum particle high energy excited, apparently
real but still very sub atomic state quantifiably elusive.


the nightbat

Yo Night
You keep saying we have no empirical proof of the
existance of the spatial medium. But its empirical proof is
everywhere.(Doh). We're inundated with it and swimming in it. As has
been mentioned numerous times previously, the medium declares its
existance by its bounty of effects, chiefest of which a
1.) The fixed value of c. A fixed propagation speed demands a carrier
medium of a particular density/pressure/"elasticity". If there is no
medium, why is c fixed? Why isn't it variable or even infinite?
2.) The high value of c. A propagation speed this high demands a carrier
medium of *enormously high* density/pressure/"Temperature" (see
footnote).
3.) There is NO PERCEPTABLE UPPER LIMIT TO THE AMPLITUDE OF EM
RADIATION. This witnesses to a carrier medium of even greater
energy-density than the most energetic wave it carries.
4.) The behavior of gravity is that of a pressure-driven, accelerating
flow into mass, having the ability to crush even massive stars down to
BHs. This witnesses to a medium of **enormous** density and
hyperpressurization. If there is no medium, how is gravitation, and
gravitation of such magnitude, accomplished?
Alas, it don't take no steenkin' genius to see the
empirical evidence that is everywhere, patently obvious and
self-evident. oc

Footnote: This usage of the term 'Temperatue' does not refer to thermal
measurement on 'this side' of the Planck length. It refers to, and is
synonymous with, the sub-Planck energy density of the spatial medium
itself.

"Aether,
Hatched 80 year ago ~ ?

Not ~ !

Since Medieval,
Or before, under any other name ..."
~ Twittering

"The Twitterer needs a course
In reading comprehension.

OF COURSE the 'ether' came down from antiquity,
And was a no-brainer to the pioneers
Of the electrical age, including Faraday, Maxwell, Tesla,
And to Lorentz and Uncle A himself
Until well into the 1920s.

Tesla never wavered from
the certainty of the spatial medium's existance.
What *was* hatched 80
years ago was the space-as-void idea."
~ oc

"... the historical content
and theological underpinnings of the novel
The Color Brown.

Monsignor Renato Canzone, vicar of "You Win,"
as an example, said that the book does not
reveal nothing, approximating the
Great Zen Void, the mystery of many eastern
religions. Further, the books contain a
Dogmatic portrait mystifying and painting
inexactitude the conservative catholic
movement Opus Of I.

And so it can be said, by this reporter,
that the world has received A Magnificat!
[No, NOT a cat], and millions are consumed
with adoring devotion. Swept up in Leonardo's
sparkling charisma, many pilgrims have
developed a desire to follow a dog, trace his
paw prints, to know That Canine's Great
Mystery."
~ Sooner Sails
From "The Lamp Post"

~ * ~

Why acid hearted look I toward your sanctuary?
My days clouded with useless work!
The building of the dream of fear!
And why should I help?

For you are alone in your world of thought fulfillment,
So seldom does your happy life materialize,
And yet you say it's full.
Then why do you admit it's empty?

The sugar sweet sensations here,
I grasp them with my mind,
But through my hand the waters flow,
My thirst unquenched by sands of time.

But you, sweet leisure, I enjoy,
Because you are a friend to me,
And yet I fear that tasty salt,
Which poisons when its ranks have grown.

Now I must soon desert my toil
To make a pilgrimage
To find that heart whose ashes lie
Amongst the ruins of purpose.

Double-A