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.. What if Tom Hanks filmed the...Future...of NASA instead ofit's past?
On Jun 21, 5:12Â*pm, C3 wrote:
On Jun 21, 9:19�am, "jonathan" wrote: What future would he write? Or would you? A future based on what is likely to occur based on current facts and trends? Or a futureNASA..should...have in an otherwise perfect world? I know what I would write. It would be a future whereNASAplays the central role in fulfilling the promise of space. Which I believe is taking the human race to the next level of understanding ability to survive, and prosperity. ThatNASAshould become the vehicle for creating ...Truth and Justice...for the future of the entire planet and be an ever growing source of inspiration across space and time. .............................................. Would such a movie include a Space Program like this? Which President Bush canceled his first year in office? A program which conceivably could end our dependence on fossil fuels thus solving global warming. Perhaps the two largest global future threats? "NASA'SSPACE SOLAR POWER EXPLORATORY RESEARCH AND TECHNOLOGY PROGRAM (SERT)" While making America the next energy "Saudi Arabia" for the future? "The National Aeronautics and Space Administration's Space Solar Power (SSP) �Exploratory Research and Technology (SERT) program was charged to develop �technologies needed to provide cost-competitive ground baseload electrical power from space-based solar energy converters."http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=10202&page=1 Statement of John C. Mankins Manager, Advanced Concepts Studies Office of Space Flight September 7, 2000 Mr. Chairman and Members of the Subcommittee, "NASAhas examined the viability of large-scale space solar power (SSP) systems through a series of studies and preliminary technology research activities." "Very briefly, our results and findings to date can be summarized as follows:" "a. �Large-scale SSP is a very complex integrated system of systems that � � �requires numerous significant advances in current technology � � �and capabilities �b. � A technology roadmap has been developed that lays out potential paths � � � �for achieving all needed advances" http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/legaff/mankins9-7.html I believe the goal ofNASAshould be to replace fossil fuels with Space Solar Power, and accomplish this before the oil runs out, or global warming becomes irreversible. Whichever comes first~ Jonathan "We choose to go to the moon in this decade and � � do the other things, not because they are easy, but � �because they are hard, because that goal will serve � � �to organize and measure the best of our energies � � and skills, because that challenge is one that we � � � are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to � � �postpone, and one which we intend to win...." � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � �-JFK s The first step would be to colonize Mars. Â*McCain has talked about sending a shuttle to Mars. Â*Then we would mine the Universe for its vast riches and explore more planets. Â*We certainly Â*have the technology to do this, it's just a matter of logistics. We know. And McCain knows so little about logistics, that's why logic, A.I,, nanotech, GPS, Internet, robots, masers, lasers, drones, and GTV were invented, C3- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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.. What if Tom Hanks filmed the...Future...of NASA instead ofit's past?
C3 wrote: The first step would be to colonize Mars. McCain has talked about sending a shuttle to Mars. Then McCain knows even less about the Shuttle than he does about computers. Not only would a Shuttle not have enough food or energy aboard to make such a voyage even if you could get it up to the velocity needed to reach Mars, but on arrival it would fall out of the sky like a rock in the thin atmosphere. :-) Pat |
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.. What if Tom Hanks filmed the...Future...of NASA instead of it's past?
On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 09:10:53 -0500, in a place far, far away, Pat
Flannery made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that: C3 wrote: The first step would be to colonize Mars. McCain has talked about sending a shuttle to Mars. Then McCain knows even less about the Shuttle than he does about computers. Which is why he hadn't actually talked about that. |
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.. What if Tom Hanks filmed the...Future...of NASA instead ofit's past?
Pat Flannery wrote:
C3 wrote: The first step would be to colonize Mars. McCain has talked about sending a shuttle to Mars. Then McCain knows even less about the Shuttle than he does about computers. Shame on you Pat! Giving credence to such a distortion. Hint: In order to maintain a strong U.S. presence in space, McCain supports: (1) extension of the shuttle program past 2010, (2) a manned mission to Mars and (3) more funding to support the above. -- Dave Michelson |
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.. What if Tom Hanks filmed the...Future...of NASA instead of it's past?
On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 17:36:49 GMT, in a place far, far away, Dave
Michelson made the phosphor on my monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that: Pat Flannery wrote: C3 wrote: The first step would be to colonize Mars. McCain has talked about sending a shuttle to Mars. Then McCain knows even less about the Shuttle than he does about computers. Shame on you Pat! Giving credence to such a distortion. Pat is always happy to believe (and, if necessary, fantasize) the worst of any Republican, even a RINO like McCain. Fortunately, though, it's not possible for him to "give credence" to much of anything. |
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.. What if Tom Hanks filmed the...Future...of NASA instead of it's past?
Pat Flannery wrote:
: :C3 wrote: : The first step would be to colonize Mars. McCain has talked about : sending a shuttle to Mars. : :Then McCain knows even less about the Shuttle than he does about computers. :Not only would a Shuttle not have enough food or energy aboard to make :such a voyage even if you could get it up to the velocity needed to :reach Mars, but on arrival it would fall out of the sky like a rock in :the thin atmosphere. :-) : Rather than simply believing the initial statement, I don't think it would be unreasonable to ask C3 for a cite to said statement. -- "False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil." -- Socrates |
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.. What if Tom Hanks filmed the...Future...of NASA instead of it's past?
"BradGuth" wrote in message ... If the future is having to be entirely based upon sustaining the lies upon lies of the past, what's the point (other than bad science fiction)? Oh no, with complexity science it becomes quite straight forward to imagine the ideal future. The reason is just a wonderful discovery of the new mathematics. What complexity science has done is give us an abstract mathematical model of the ideal evolutionary or Darwinian system. Called the Complex Adaptive System. (CAS) This is the idealized template or perfect form that any evolving system might attain. A perfect form with which to compare any actual system against. So, you see don't you. A complexity scientist has the CORRECT FUTURE or answer...in hand...in advance ... for any real world problem at all. The only imagination needed is in how to draw a path from here to there. An objective frame leads to seeing only how bad things are, and how difficult they are to fix. A complexity view leads to a wonderful optimism as we can see exactly what needs to be done to begin moving towards perfection. Since perfection is no longer some pipe-dream, but a mathematical model. Complex Adaptive Systems - Webs of Delight http://www.calresco.org/lucas/cas.htm Imagining the ideal future becomes a matter of grunt work, just like designing the perfect business plan based on the same concept. Or the perfect diet, or stock chart etc etc. Nature has already shown us the system with the greatest potential for creation, beauty and wisdom. We must simply apply that perfect solution to every problem we face. How can one recognize perfection once it sets in??? That's even easier, just look for the emergence of power law dynamics or 'critical' behavior. Power Law "Power-law relations characterize a staggering number of natural patterns" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_law Which is a system persistently poised at it's phase transition state. Such as water just at the boiling point, but not quite, or a cloud at the transition point between evaporation and condensation. Poised at a state where the forces for order and disorder are equal partners, so one can't tell which dominates. Or biological evolution where neither genetics or mutation dominates. Or a universe where neither gravity or cosmic expansion wins. Such as a society poised between being dominated by the rule of law, or freedom. Or a ...future ...where our imagination is not limited by our resources. They must be co-equal for the future to evolve towards perfection. The path to a perfect future lies in finding an unending stream of clean energy. And in the spread of world-wide democracy. Which is why I go on and on about the opportunity for democratic change during the Beijing Oympics and SSP. A program which conceivably could end our dependence on fossil fuels thus solving global warming. Perhaps the two largest future threats? While making America the next energy "Saudi Arabia" for the future "NASA'S SPACE SOLAR POWER EXPLORATORY RESEARCH AND TECHNOLOGY PROGRAM (SERT)" "The National Aeronautics and Space Administration's Space Solar Power (SSP) Exploratory Research and Technology (SERT) program was charged to develop technologies needed to provide cost-competitive ground baseload electrical power from space-based solar energy converters." http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=10202&page=1 Statement of John C. Mankins Manager, Advanced Concepts Studies Office of Space Flight "Very briefly, our results and findings to date can be summarized as follows:" "a. Large-scale SSP is a very complex integrated system of systems that requires numerous significant advances in current technology and capabilities b. A technology roadmap has been developed that lays out potential paths for achieving all needed advances" http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/legaff/mankins9-7.html I believe the goal of NASA should be to replace fossil fuels with Space Solar Power, and accomplish this before global warming becomes irreversible. I believe China should become democratic. Those two things and the perfect future becomes almost inevitable. Both are ...right now...within our grasp. We are so close, a little push with both issues in the right direction could do the trick s BradGuth |
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.. What if Tom Hanks filmed the...Future...of NASA instead of it's past?
"jonathan" writes:
What future would he write? Or would you? A future based on what is likely to occur based on current facts and trends? Or a future NASA ..should...have in an otherwise perfect world? That's an excellent idea, since if there's one thing which has been missing from space proponents it's been big expansive visions of how truly excellent it would be to have lots of stuff going into space whether we're ready for them or not. -- Joseph Nebus ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ |
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.. What if Tom Hanks filmed the...Future...of NASA instead of it's past?
On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 09:10:53 -0500, Pat Flannery
wrote: C3 wrote: The first step would be to colonize Mars. McCain has talked about sending a shuttle to Mars. Then McCain knows even less about the Shuttle than he does about computers. Not only would a Shuttle not have enough food or energy aboard to make such a voyage even if you could get it up to the velocity needed to reach Mars, but on arrival it would fall out of the sky like a rock in the thin atmosphere. :-) Pat Speaking of McCain and energy (or not)... When he gets right down to Earth, 100 new nuclear powere plants sounds OK. but where exactly is he going to put even the first 44 new nuclear power plants? Where is his "credence". It's all just unfunded pie in the sky. Alan |
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.. What if Tom Hanks filmed the...Future...of NASA instead of it's past?
On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 01:26:22 GMT, Alan Jones
wrote: Speaking of McCain and energy (or not)... When he gets right down to Earth, 100 new nuclear powere plants sounds OK. but where exactly is he going to put even the first 44 new nuclear power plants? ....I can think of a few places. Harlem. Gary, East St. Louis, Compton, and at least three in Philadelphia. OM -- ]=====================================[ ] OMBlog - http://www.io.com/~o_m/omworld [ ] Let's face it: Sometimes you *need* [ ] an obnoxious opinion in your day! [ ]=====================================[ |
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