Bye-bye INF treaty?

On Mar 3, 10:11 am, Hop David wrote:
Rand Simberg wrote:

Oh, this is ridiculous.

This is dishonest.



"Perhaps Chirac's deepest friendship has been with Saddam Hussein.[30]
The two first met in December 1974 when Prime Minister Chirac visited
Baghdad to negotiate trade agreements, including the delivery of a
nuclear reactor[31] later destroyed by an Israeli air raid in 1981.
When Hussein visited France the following September-his only visit to
a Western country[32]-then-prime minister Chirac said, "I welcome you
as my personal friend. I assure you of my esteem, my consideration,
and my affection."[33]

From the same time period a photo of Rumsfeld was taken shaking
Saddam's hand. The photo was taken after Saddam used poison gas made
from chemicals his U.S. friends supplied.

Rumsfeld should be shot for his friendship with that murderous *******
Saddam.

Rumsfeld merely participated in an alliance of convenience between
America and Iraq, against Iran. He did _not_ take bribes from Saddam,
and he did not continue the alliance with Saddam _after_ Saddam had
turned against civilized states.

Do you believe that Roosevelt, Churchill, Truman and Attlee should
have been "shot for their friendship with that murderous *******"
Stalin? If not, why not?

- Jordan

Jordan wrote:

Thank you for implicitly admitting, by failing to address Simberg's
_main point_, that you have no defense for Chirac against the
accusation of yielding to this campaign of influence for essentially
venal motives.


Hey, you know how we are concerned about Iran, and how it might get
nuclear weapons?
Well, according to this 1999 article in The Jerusalem Post, we may be a
bit late on all this:
http://www.fas.org/news/iran/1999/980409-iran-jp.htm
We attack Iran, and this all could get _really_ interesting.

Pat

Fred J. McCall wrote:
"Eric Chomko" wrote:

:On Mar 8, 10:40 am, Pat Flannery wrote:
: Fred J. McCall wrote:
:
: :"Dubya says: 'Invade Afganistan'!"
: :"Sir, yes sir!"
: :"Dubya says: 'Invade Iraq'!"
: :"Sir, yes sir!"
: :"Torture our prisoners!"
: :"Sir, yes sir!"
: :"Heh-heh...I didn't say: 'Dubya says', so it's not my fault, ****ers."
:
: Jesus, you're an idiot sometimes, Pat ... and that IS your fault.
:
: "Mr. President, are you going to pardon Scooter Libby?"
: "Scooter who? Never heard of him."
: "Mr. President, didn't you considerably cut back funding for the VA,
: leading to the sort of of appalling conditions seen at Walter Reed?"
: "Walter who? Never heard of him."
: "Mr. President, didn't Donald Rumsfeld become the fall guy for this
: administration's failures in Iraq?"
: "Donald who? Never heard of him."
: "Mr. President, it's been said that George Bush is just a mindless
: puppet front-man for a bunch of crooks and political wackos who are
: doing irreparable harm to this nation, its people, its standing in the
: world, and its military forces. What do you think of that statement?"
: "George who? Never heard of...hey, wait a second, I resent that. Nobody
: talks about my dad like that." :-)
:
:Makes me think of the presidents list as:
:
:Reagan
:Bush
:Clinton
:Bush
:Clinton
:
:Nothing is doing more to get another Clinton in the WH other than the
:current Bush.

And nothing is doing more to keep her (and other Democrats) out than
idiots like the preceding. "I Hate George Bush And So Should You"
isn't considered an adequate statement of policy by most sane
people...

Then a whole lot of insane people are going to shake up your world
beliefs.
At the rate you're going, you're going to welcome death as a way out.
Poor Freddy...

Eric



--
"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
territory."
--G. Behn

Fred J. McCall wrote:
Pat Flannery wrote:

:
:
:Fred J. McCall wrote:
:
: :"Dubya says: 'Invade Afganistan'!"
: :"Sir, yes sir!"
: :"Dubya says: 'Invade Iraq'!"
: :"Sir, yes sir!"
: :"Torture our prisoners!"
: :"Sir, yes sir!"
: :"Heh-heh...I didn't say: 'Dubya says', so it's not my fault, ****ers."
:
: Jesus, you're an idiot sometimes, Pat ... and that IS your fault.
:
:
:"Mr. President, are you going to pardon Scooter Libby?"
:"Scooter who? Never heard of him."
:"Mr. President, didn't you considerably cut back funding for the VA,
:leading to the sort of of appalling conditions seen at Walter Reed?"
:"Walter who? Never heard of him."
:"Mr. President, didn't Donald Rumsfeld become the fall guy for this
:administration's failures in Iraq?"
:"Donald who? Never heard of him."
:"Mr. President, it's been said that George Bush is just a mindless
uppet front-man for a bunch of crooks and political wackos who are
:doing irreparable harm to this nation, its people, its standing in the
:world, and its military forces. What do you think of that statement?"
:"George who? Never heard of...hey, wait a second, I resent that. Nobody
:talks about my dad like that." :-)

I repeat - Jesus, you're an idiot sometimes, Pat ... and that IS your
fault.

The fact that Pat has you repeating yourself is pure entertainment.
Poor Freddy...


--
"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
territory."
--G. Behn

Fred J. McCall wrote:
"Eric Chomko" wrote:

:On Mar 8, 1:30 am, Fred J. McCall wrote:
: Pat Flannery wrote:
:
: :"Dubya says: 'Invade Afganistan'!"
: :"Sir, yes sir!"
: :"Dubya says: 'Invade Iraq'!"
: :"Sir, yes sir!"
: :"Torture our prisoners!"
: :"Sir, yes sir!"
: :"Heh-heh...I didn't say: 'Dubya says', so it's not my fault, ****ers."
:
: Jesus, you're an idiot sometimes, Pat ... and that IS your fault.
:
:And you lack a sense of humor.

Not at all. I just don't find most political idiocy 'funny'.

One's political idiocy is another's political humor. Geez McClod,
didn't they teach you a sense of empathy in the Navy? Or were you
napping? Maybe your folks were deficient?

VICES, McClod. V for vitality, I for intelligence, C for courage, E
for empathy, and S for sympathy. Don't get hung up on the acronym,
it'll only short your brain.

Perhaps you're only a "VIC" or less?


:But perhaps you can't help that being a
:closed rather than an open person.

There's a difference between having an open mind and having a hole in
your head, Eric. You demonstrate the latter quite nicely...

Perhaps you DO have a sense of humor as I did smile when I read the
last sentence. Fine, holes in my head, anything to have you have a
sense of humor. You're learning Freddy. When this is all over you
might actually become a real human being instead of a terminally
pedantic ass which no one wants to be around.

Wanna bet who people want to talk to at your dinner party. When was
the last time you hosted a dinner party? Invited to one? Be honest...

Eric

--
"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
territory."
--G. Behn

Fred J. McCall wrote:
"Eric Chomko" wrote:

:On Mar 5, 10:44 pm, Fred J. McCall wrote:
: Matt wrote:
: :Fred J. McCall wrote:
: : Matt wrote:
:
: :
: :snipped
: :
: : :http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/...177726543.html
: :
: : Too easily explained as 'disgruntled employee'. Just reading the web
: : page cited and noting the phrasing makes it pretty clear that the
: : writer is more interested in 'spin' than accuracy.
: :
: :
: :Considering the circumstances of his resignation, yes, he will sound
: :like a disgruntled employee. Paraphrasing - "In my job as an analyst, I
: :can see there is no evidence of Iraq having WMDs that are a threat, but
: :the gov.au is saying that my department backs their assertion that they
: :do. I want no part of it." You value your ethical standards, too, right?
: :
: :The upshot is, if Australian intelligence was aware of this prior to
: :troop deployment to Iraq, it's not a stretch to say that so did the
: :intelligence agencies of those major countries you mentioned.
: :
: :Are you shocked that our governments might actually bend the truth for
: :the sake of furthering political endeavours? Let's face it, war is good
: :for the economy, and we really need that oil..
:
: I'm shocked that you can't read 'spin' and recognize it. Hell, I
: actually had an English course on propaganda and how it works when I
: was in high school and yet here you are not being able to recognize
: blatant bias when you read it.
:
: Ask yourself how much oil the US got from or is getting from Iraq.
:
:It is about what currency Iraq is accepting for said oil. Saddam dared
:to take euros and the current regime is back to using dollars.

And so we're back to Eric's favorite conspiracy theory....

No, no, you moron (borrowing from Rand), the JFK assassination is my
favorite conspiracy theory.

About euros vs. dollars, who conspired and how? Do tell. I mean you
have this idea about how I have a conspiracy theory. What is it? What
does it look like to you?

Eric



--
"Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the
truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong."
-- Thomas Jefferson

"Eric Chomko" wrote:

:
:Fred J. McCall wrote:
: "Eric Chomko" wrote:
:
: :On Mar 8, 10:40 am, Pat Flannery wrote:
: : Fred J. McCall wrote:
: :
: : :"Dubya says: 'Invade Afganistan'!"
: : :"Sir, yes sir!"
: : :"Dubya says: 'Invade Iraq'!"
: : :"Sir, yes sir!"
: : :"Torture our prisoners!"
: : :"Sir, yes sir!"
: : :"Heh-heh...I didn't say: 'Dubya says', so it's not my fault, ****ers."
: :
: : Jesus, you're an idiot sometimes, Pat ... and that IS your fault.
: :
: : "Mr. President, are you going to pardon Scooter Libby?"
: : "Scooter who? Never heard of him."
: : "Mr. President, didn't you considerably cut back funding for the VA,
: : leading to the sort of of appalling conditions seen at Walter Reed?"
: : "Walter who? Never heard of him."
: : "Mr. President, didn't Donald Rumsfeld become the fall guy for this
: : administration's failures in Iraq?"
: : "Donald who? Never heard of him."
: : "Mr. President, it's been said that George Bush is just a mindless
: : puppet front-man for a bunch of crooks and political wackos who are
: : doing irreparable harm to this nation, its people, its standing in the
: : world, and its military forces. What do you think of that statement?"
: : "George who? Never heard of...hey, wait a second, I resent that. Nobody
: : talks about my dad like that." :-)
: :
: :Makes me think of the presidents list as:
: :
: :Reagan
: :Bush
: :Clinton
: :Bush
: :Clinton
: :
: :Nothing is doing more to get another Clinton in the WH other than the
: :current Bush.
:
: And nothing is doing more to keep her (and other Democrats) out than
: idiots like the preceding. "I Hate George Bush And So Should You"
: isn't considered an adequate statement of policy by most sane
: people...
:
:Then a whole lot of insane people are going to shake up your world
:beliefs.

Not likely. I don't let idiots dictate my beliefs.

:At the rate you're going, you're going to welcome death as a way out.
:Poor Freddy...

See what I mean about you being an idiot, El Chimpko?

--
"You take the lies out of him, and he'll shrink to the size of
your hat; you take the malice out of him, and he'll disappear."
-- Mark Twain

"Eric Chomko" wrote:

:
:Fred J. McCall wrote:
: Pat Flannery wrote:
:
: :
: :
: :Fred J. McCall wrote:
: :
: : :"Dubya says: 'Invade Afganistan'!"
: : :"Sir, yes sir!"
: : :"Dubya says: 'Invade Iraq'!"
: : :"Sir, yes sir!"
: : :"Torture our prisoners!"
: : :"Sir, yes sir!"
: : :"Heh-heh...I didn't say: 'Dubya says', so it's not my fault, ****ers."
: :
: : Jesus, you're an idiot sometimes, Pat ... and that IS your fault.
: :
: :
: :"Mr. President, are you going to pardon Scooter Libby?"
: :"Scooter who? Never heard of him."
: :"Mr. President, didn't you considerably cut back funding for the VA,
: :leading to the sort of of appalling conditions seen at Walter Reed?"
: :"Walter who? Never heard of him."
: :"Mr. President, didn't Donald Rumsfeld become the fall guy for this
: :administration's failures in Iraq?"
: :"Donald who? Never heard of him."
: :"Mr. President, it's been said that George Bush is just a mindless
: uppet front-man for a bunch of crooks and political wackos who are
: :doing irreparable harm to this nation, its people, its standing in the
: :world, and its military forces. What do you think of that statement?"
: :"George who? Never heard of...hey, wait a second, I resent that. Nobody
: :talks about my dad like that." :-)
:
: I repeat - Jesus, you're an idiot sometimes, Pat ... and that IS your
: fault.
:
:The fact that Pat has you repeating yourself is pure entertainment.
:Poor Freddy...

See what I mean about you being an idiot, El Chimpko?


--
"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
territory."
--G. Behn

"Eric Chomko" wrote:

:
:Fred J. McCall wrote:
: "Eric Chomko" wrote:
:
: :On Mar 8, 1:30 am, Fred J. McCall wrote:
: : Pat Flannery wrote:
: :
: : :"Dubya says: 'Invade Afganistan'!"
: : :"Sir, yes sir!"
: : :"Dubya says: 'Invade Iraq'!"
: : :"Sir, yes sir!"
: : :"Torture our prisoners!"
: : :"Sir, yes sir!"
: : :"Heh-heh...I didn't say: 'Dubya says', so it's not my fault, ****ers."
: :
: : Jesus, you're an idiot sometimes, Pat ... and that IS your fault.
: :
: :And you lack a sense of humor.
:
: Not at all. I just don't find most political idiocy 'funny'.
:
:One's political idiocy is another's political humor.

Not really. It's either funny or it isn't. This sort of stupidity
isn't.

:Geez McClod,
:didn't they teach you a sense of empathy in the Navy?

No, my job was to kill people and break ****.

:Or were you napping?

As frequently as possible. The fact that you even ask merely further
indicates your ignorance about the real military, where happiness can
frequently be composed of merely getting sufficient sleep.

:Maybe your folks were deficient?

My folks weren't in the Navy.

However, if we assume your problem is congenital, it seems obvious
that your folks were defectives.

:VICES, McClod. V for vitality, I for intelligence, C for courage, E
:for empathy, and S for sympathy. Don't get hung up on the acronym,
:it'll only short your brain.
:
:Perhaps you're only a "VIC" or less?

The more stupid **** you make up the stupider you look, Eric.

:
: :But perhaps you can't help that being a
: :closed rather than an open person.
:
: There's a difference between having an open mind and having a hole in
: your head, Eric. You demonstrate the latter quite nicely...
:
:Perhaps you DO have a sense of humor as I did smile when I read the
:last sentence.

I don't know why. It's an old, tired joke.

:Fine, holes in my head, anything to have you have a
:sense of humor. You're learning Freddy.

All the time, but never from you.

:When this is all over you
:might actually become a real human being instead of a terminally
edantic ass which no one wants to be around.

What 'this' do you stupidly think is going on, Eric?

:Wanna bet who people want to talk to at your dinner party. When was
:the last time you hosted a dinner party? Invited to one? Be honest...

I've never cared for dinner parties, so I don't have them. I stick to
things I enjoy. I have the luxury of doing that, you see.

Why would I want to host a dinner party, El Chimpko?

--
"It's always different. It's always complex. But at some point,
somebody has to draw the line. And that somebody is always me....
I am the law."
-- Buffy, The Vampire Slayer

"Eric Chomko" wrote:

:
:Fred J. McCall wrote:
: "Eric Chomko" wrote:
:
: :On Mar 5, 10:44 pm, Fred J. McCall wrote:
: : Matt wrote:
: : :Fred J. McCall wrote:
: : : Matt wrote:
: :
: : :
: : :snipped
: : :
: : : :http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/...177726543.html
: : :
: : : Too easily explained as 'disgruntled employee'. Just reading the web
: : : page cited and noting the phrasing makes it pretty clear that the
: : : writer is more interested in 'spin' than accuracy.
: : :
: : :
: : :Considering the circumstances of his resignation, yes, he will sound
: : :like a disgruntled employee. Paraphrasing - "In my job as an analyst, I
: : :can see there is no evidence of Iraq having WMDs that are a threat, but
: : :the gov.au is saying that my department backs their assertion that they
: : :do. I want no part of it." You value your ethical standards, too, right?
: : :
: : :The upshot is, if Australian intelligence was aware of this prior to
: : :troop deployment to Iraq, it's not a stretch to say that so did the
: : :intelligence agencies of those major countries you mentioned.
: : :
: : :Are you shocked that our governments might actually bend the truth for
: : :the sake of furthering political endeavours? Let's face it, war is good
: : :for the economy, and we really need that oil..
: :
: : I'm shocked that you can't read 'spin' and recognize it. Hell, I
: : actually had an English course on propaganda and how it works when I
: : was in high school and yet here you are not being able to recognize
: : blatant bias when you read it.
: :
: : Ask yourself how much oil the US got from or is getting from Iraq.
: :
: :It is about what currency Iraq is accepting for said oil. Saddam dared
: :to take euros and the current regime is back to using dollars.
:
: And so we're back to Eric's favorite conspiracy theory....
:
:No, no, you moron (borrowing from Rand), the JFK assassination is my
:favorite conspiracy theory.

Are you sure it's not the moon landings being a fake that's your
favorite conspiracy theory?

:About euros vs. dollars, who conspired and how? Do tell. I mean you
:have this idea about how I have a conspiracy theory. What is it? What
:does it look like to you?

The claim that this was the root of the Iraq war, of course. Pure
paranoid conspiracy theory...

You really don't even understand what you're saying most of the time,
do you, Eric?

--
"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
territory."
--G. Behn