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Old July 17th 07, 07:42 AM posted to sci.space.history
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On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 04:19:57 GMT, (Henry Spencer)
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The North and South disagreed on various things, but slavery was invariably either the root
cause of the clash, or the reason why it couldn't be resolved quietly.


....More of the latter than the former, although if you replaced "root
cause" with "convenient excuse", you'd be closer to what was really
going on back then. The true "root cause"(*) still resides more in the
conflict between the industrial-based Yankees and the
agricultural-based South over economic power.

(*) One other thing that many people tend to forget is that most of
the Southern states that were part of the original 13 colonies were,
unlike their Northern counterparts, founded as penal colonies. By the
time of the Revolution, many protoYankees looked down on the Southern
colonies due to the fact that their inhabitants either were criminals
and/or debt exiles, and/or descendents of said, and thereby were
"lower-class". The converse was also true, as the Southerners viewed
the Northerners as the same sort of sods that sent them over to the
Colonies in the first place, as they behaved just like the aristos
they'd been ostracized from in Englandland. This same sort of
discrimination still prevails today,
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Old July 17th 07, 04:29 PM posted to sci.space.history
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OM wrote:
That's why the militias during the Revolution weren't anywhere
near as effective as they should have been. It's one thing to know how
to shoot game, but when the game can shoot back *and* has pretty damn
good aim,


The whole concept of the British and their "Brown Bess" muskets _wasn't_
to aim at specific targets; just line up neatly and fire straight
forward knowing that even as inaccurate as the fire was, enough musket
balls flying in the same direction would hit the opposing line with
considerable force.
Which works fine as long as your enemy lines up neatly like you and
plays by your rules in best European tradition.
Speaking of grand Europeans tradition, everyone's favorite Revolutionary
War Prussian drill sergeant had a considerably less prestigious military
pedigree than he claimed: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baron_von_Steuben
The "At the age of 33, in 1763, Steuben was discharged as a captain from
the army, for reasons that are only speculative."
part is interesting, as rumor had it that it was an inordinate fondness
for the company of young boys.

then that tends to break up a forward advance by those
who've got no real understanding of what war is about and what it
entails.

...On the other hand, you can argue that maybe it was a good thing
that a "2.5th Amendment" wasn't incorporated that would have called
for state militas to be permanent and well-trained.


I think we call this The National Guard these days; another good name at
the present time would be IED fodder.

Nixon, Carter and
Clinton would have been hanging from the nearest oak tree!


Sooner or later, one of those guys that was maimed in Iraq is going to
come back home, get treated like **** by the military's medical service,
and decide he's had quite enough of that; then the president is going to
be glad that his limo is basically an armored car, because that's what
it's going to take to give him a chance to make it to sundown.

Pat


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Old July 17th 07, 04:58 PM posted to sci.space.history
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On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 11:41:33 -0700, Hyper
wrote:

Didn't Larry Ellison try to buy a Mig-29?


....Yep. And this despite the fact that the Russians offered to sell
him at least *four* MiG-17's or two MiG-21's surplus. Those they sell
to anyone with the cash, and IIRC there's at least three dozen 17's on
US soil owned by US owners. Granted, they've had the hardpoints
removed, but it wouldn't be too much of a trick to rig up a few deer
rifles under the wings for a strafing run :-)

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Old July 17th 07, 05:00 PM posted to sci.space.history
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On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 03:35:04 GMT, "Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)"
wrote:

Interesting trivia, the US has now gone the longest period ever between
adding states to the Union.


....That's because Pueter Rico didn't want to become a state, and we
didn't want another *welfare* state.

We're losing momentum here.


....Hey, we're just waiting for Stogie Castro to finally kick the
bucket. Be patient!

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Old July 17th 07, 05:03 PM posted to sci.space.history
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On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 15:22:35 -0700, wrote:

Thanks heavens! We were worried you'd return Celine Dion.


....Hey, we want to send back Neil Young and Loverboy. If there was a
reason for nuking Canada, it's those two *and* Celine!

Q: How is showing "Strange Brew" different in Canada than anywhere
else?

A: In Canada, it's a humorless documentary. Anywhere else, it's a
comedy based on reality.

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On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 15:22:35 -0700, wrote:

Isn't that how Putin just claimed the north pole?


....Except that Santa Claus has disputed the claim, and it's expected
to be taken to The Hague before next Chrisnukkah.

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Old July 17th 07, 05:07 PM posted to sci.space.history
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On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 10:29:42 -0500, Pat Flannery
wrote:

The whole concept of the British and their "Brown Bess" muskets _wasn't_
to aim at specific targets; just line up neatly and fire straight
forward knowing that even as inaccurate as the fire was, enough musket
balls flying in the same direction would hit the opposing line with
considerable force.


....Which, four score and seven years later, was purty much the same
tactic used on the battlefields during the WoNA. Just put a wall of
lead out there, and let the DamnYankees run plum inter'em!

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Old July 17th 07, 05:09 PM posted to sci.space.history
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On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 10:29:42 -0500, Pat Flannery
wrote:

...On the other hand, you can argue that maybe it was a good thing
that a "2.5th Amendment" wasn't incorporated that would have called
for state militas to be permanent and well-trained.


I think we call this The National Guard these days; another good name at
the present time would be IED fodder.


....There's been some argument that the Guard is the evolutionary "next
step" of the Militia. I firmly believe this is false, as the "weekend
warriors" are really more of the "minor league" of the US Arrrrmy.
When a Militia was called up to the front, they weren't broken up and
absorbed into regular regiments. The Guardsmen usually are reassigned
to units based on their training and not retained as a unit.

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Old July 17th 07, 06:09 PM posted to sci.space.history
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OM wrote:

...Yep. And this despite the fact that the Russians offered to sell
him at least *four* MiG-17's or two MiG-21's surplus. Those they sell
to anyone with the cash, and IIRC there's at least three dozen 17's on
US soil owned by US owners. Granted, they've had the hardpoints
removed, but it wouldn't be too much of a trick to rig up a few deer
rifles under the wings for a strafing run :-)


Back just as the Soviet Union collapsed, I saw an interview with the
commander of a Soviet airbase who was willing to sell Su-15 "Flagon"
fighters at around $600 each, provided you picked them up yourself for
transport.

Pat
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