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How cool is VL2
Venus L2 is supposedly 1,014,300 km 1,014,200 km = 86% shaded by
Venus, receiving 14% worth of the solar photosphere illumination. There's actually a bit more of what the outer most realm of the solar atmospheric/chromosphere illumination that should make VL2 worth roughly 20% of the total solar illumination impact (especially if you'd care to include those impressive CME loops), but the vast bulk of the photosphere's IR spectrum is what's getting nicely diverted by as much as 90% via the highly reflective 12,250 km diameter blockage of Venus, and best of all, hardly if any of those nasty halo CMEs would ever get a clear shot at VL2. What VL2 might often get to see is a bit more impressive than the following "coronal_loop" images have to suggest. http://www.bu.edu/cism/CISM_Thrusts/...tmosphere.html http://sprg.ssl.berkeley.edu/shine/suntoday.html http://trace.lmsal.com/ Unfortunately, TRACE isn't going to last forever, and setting up TRACE-II (such as at VL2) along with a 10 fold improvement in utilizing mirror optics and outfitted with even better CCDs seems well worth our doing. A properly controlled station-keeping halo orbit could actually manage to receive as much or as little solar illumination and thus IR spectrum warmth as desired, because, with the minimum of IR being as slight as 10% represents that a highly reflective POOF space depot would otherwise become a touch cold. For an example: 14% of the VL2's 2625 j/m2 = 368 j/m2 368 j/m2 is actually offering a bit more then the average solar energy that's terrestrial, although the back side or thermal exit phase of VL2 is most likely extremely cold. Therefore, accomplishing a station-keeping halo orbit of allowing perhaps 25% of the solar energy to reach this VL2 space station might be about right, at 656 j/m2 (roughly 5% less than what our ISS has upon average to work with (especially since VL2 is w/o venus-shine). Therefore, of whatever is at all ISS/POOF suitable for LEO application should be directly usable as is, if not a whole lot better suited for the Venus L2 placement, with lots of available options for obtaining more or less solar energy as the situation demands, and best of all, there's even less of the lethal forms of radiation to deal with. With much of the solar atmosphere emitting in the near-UV and UV spectrum, the VL2 photo cells should actually do just fine and dandy, and otherwise survive better off than having to deal with the IR spectrum along with avoiding most of the flak contributed by way of those pesky CME halo events which can bcome downright lethal. The question is, other than taking whatever's my best swag as to what VL2 has to offer, what is your best swag at the cool nature of VL2? - Brad Guth -- Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG |
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"Brad Guth" wrote in message
news:943268f4698ce93ff8aabb231b766a9b.49644@mygate .mailgate.org Apparently, Venus L2 is better than POOF certified, as well as otherwise having been doable for more than a decade, if not before then (certainly a whole lot DNA safer and tonnes cooler than MEL1). VL2 is every bit as cool as you'd like a science space station or outpost depot to be, yet it's taboo/nondisclosure rated by way of this anti-think-tank of a mostly faith based naysay Usenet from hell. No wonder our resident LLPOF warlord(GW Bush) has been setting us village idiots up for accommodating his WW-III of global energy domination. - Brad Guth -- Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG |
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How cool is VL2
"Brad Guth" wrote in message
news:943268f4698ce93ff8aabb231b766a9b.49644@mygate .mailgate.org What's the matter? (cat got your mainstream status quo tongue?) I guess VL2 is potentially too cool for even the likes of POOF or Clarke Station, but at least it's a whole lot more DNA safe than utilizing our moon's L1. Too bad that either our moon's L1 or that of any Venus L2 applications are still being treated as though each are taboo/nondisclosure. I guess that makes perfect sense in that Americans are such born-again infomercial spewing wizards and all. - Brad Guth -- Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG |
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How cool is VL2
"Brad Guth" wrote in message
news:7af1b966ab064ada965a1d7f9d44ab94.49644@mygate .mailgate.org Sorry folks, it seems that we haven't walked on our extremely big old and otherwise nearby moon, but so what's the difference if one more silly lie begets another and another? If not in person, I hope to hell we don't summarily screw up Venus via robotics to the extent that we've accomplished so much dastardly commercial pillaging, trashing and raping of mother Earth without so much as a speck of remorse. I obviously care most about Venus, as our moon seriously sucks, and Venus is otherwise more than obviously where all the action is at, especially since Pluto got the royal shaft, as seemingly Ceres is getting a similar official NASA fid, and Mercury is simply too off-world as well as past the point of return (similar to Mars). At least VL2 is more than cool enough, as to being POOF/(space depot) doable. While rather quickly roasting our weiners on Venus, how much energy do you folks suppose a good air conditioning system as part of your CO2--CO/O2 process is going to demand? Remember, at that sort of environment pressure you'll not require more than a 1% O2 factor, and the remainder should be of H2. Thus 99% H2 and 1% O2. Also remember that you'll be continually fighting off the lesser gravity of 90.5%, and otherwise having all of that pesky 64+ kg/m3 of buoyancy to fend off. Of course, if you only had half a village idiot brain, as such you might as well utilize such factors as to your benefit. Say per 1000 m3/(interior 10 x 20 x 5 meter abode) if that Venusian habitat volume were insulated at R-1024/m2; what's the thermal budget of keeping your cache of beer and vodka icy cold? That's roughly a surface/foundation area of 264 m2, a portion of what should be roughly a 828 m2 exterior that's exposed to the hotter than hell surface that's getting rid of 20 J/m2, and otherwise fending off the somewhat toasty atmosphere. Therefore it's nearly always hot outside and there's just the structual composite insulated barrier of R-1024/m that's giving way to an inward flux of thermal conduction that's worth 0.00097656/m2 to deal with, which seems rather managable, if not a touch overkill. Is there something otherwise specific that you'd like to review or constructively contribute, such as on behalf of those nifty composite rigid airships? How about we review on behalf of defending yourself from those exoskeletal Cathars that can't seem to take no for an answer? Would you like to talk about the VL2 platform/depot or how about interplanetary communications? - Brad Guth -- Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG |
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"Brad Guth" wrote in message
news:943268f4698ce93ff8aabb231b766a9b.49644@mygate .mailgate.org And once again and again, I see that we have the usual PC/MAC trashing game of Usenet spooks, moles and wise old fart MIB wizards deploying their best spermware/****ware, as obviously the norm of their mainstream status quo. Therefore, we'll just have to keep updating and reposting until a few of them NASA/Apollo rad-hard cows come home. It's a little bit like The Wizard of Oz on steroids; Sorry folks, whereas it seems that we haven't quite gotten around to having walked on our extremely big old and otherwise nearby moon that's so physically massive in ratio to Earth, as well as being so physically dark and nasty (hardly Apollo passive guano island like and xenon lamp spectrum illuminated at that), but so what's the difference if one more silly lie begets another and another? Our moon may have to remain as a mostly robotic wonderland, as otherwise merely a nasty realm of local and secondary/recoil energy that's accessible via a safe looking glass from the moon's L1, whereas otherwise it's somewhat physically DNA/RNA taboo. Although, Venus isn't off limits unless you're a certified moron, and VL2 is certainly more than space station doable as is. Venus shouldn't ever require any terraforming on our behalf, just damn good CO2--CO/O2 air conditioning and structural composite basalt as insulation that's worth R-1024/m. If not in person, I hope to hell we don't summarily screw up Venus via robotics to the extent that we've accomplished so much dastardly commercial forms of collateral damage by way of having pillaged, trashed and the ongoing energy raping of mother Earth without so much as a speck of remorse. I obviously care most about Venus, as our moon seriously sucks, whereas the planet Venus is otherwise more than obviously where all the serious action of other intelligent life is at, especially since Pluto got the royal shaft, as seemingly Ceres is getting a similar official NASA fid, and Mercury is simply too off-world as well as past the point of return (similar to Mars). At least VL2 is more than cool enough, as to being POOF/(space depot) doable, and every 19 months it gets to within 100 fold the distance of our moon. If that isn't the best ever Russian/POOF good news, or what, then nothing is. While rather quickly roasting our wieners on Venus (a few seconds ott to do the trick), how much energy do you folks suppose a good air conditioning system as part of your CO2--CO/O2 process is going to demand? Remember, at that sort of environment pressure you'll not require more than a 1% O2 factor, and the remainder should be of H2. Thus having 99% H2 and 1% O2 at 96 Bar is about all the atmospheric displacement of that otherwise crystal clear and dry CO2 that's otherwise relatively harmless that you'll ever need. Also remember that you'll be continually fighting off the lesser gravity of 90.5%, and otherwise having all of that pesky 64+ kg/m3 of buoyancy to fend off. Of course, if you only had half a village idiot brain, as such you might as well utilize such factors as to your benefit. Say if this were an application per 1000 m3/(interior 10 x 20 x 5 meter abode), and if that Venusian habitat volume were insulated at R-1024/m2; what's the thermal energy budget of keeping your cache of beer and vodka icy cold? That's roughly a surface/foundation area of 264 m2, a portion of what should be roughly a 828 m2 exterior that's in part exposed to the hotter than hell surface that's getting rid of 20 J/m2, and otherwise fending off the somewhat toasty atmosphere that's always cooler than the geothermally forced surface. Therefore, without question it's nearly always hot outside and there's just the structural composite basalt insulated barrier of R-1024/m that's giving way to an inward flux of thermal conduction that's worthy of having 0.00097656/m2 (0.0977% which I believe is roughly less than 0.45 K/m2/hr) of that bone dry heat to deal with, which seems by all manner of known physics as being rather manageable, if not a touch overkill. BTW; Venus has all the raw elements and the energy for locally processing whatever into the required items of surviving Venus (except for having enough ice cold beer and pizza). All that's required is the small factor of applied intelligence or simply deductive common sense should otherwise more than do the trick. Is there something other that's specific about accomplishing Venus that you'd like to review or constructively contribute, such as on behalf of those nifty composite rigid airships? How about we review on behalf of defending yourself from those exoskeletal Cathars that can't seem to take no for an answer? (you're not alone, you know) Would you folks like to talk about the Russian VL2 POOF platform/depot, or how about laser interplanetary communications (much the same as NASA's deep space network), except for making those less spendy local interplanetary calls that shouldn't take hardly any energy to accomplish with a quantum binary packet mode of 425 nm FM/(+/-25 nm) photons doing their extremely efficient thing. - Brad Guth -- Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG |
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"Brad Guth" wrote in message
news:74966e0536c2175d6978ffdb1f205e6f.49644@mygate .mailgate.org That's odd, Venus L2 being rather cool and thereby fully POOF doable and all, and yet there's not one Usenet all-knowing word of wisdom to behold. - Brad Guth -- Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG |
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How cool is VL2
"Brad Guth" wrote in message
news:943268f4698ce93ff8aabb231b766a9b.49644@mygate .mailgate.org Since Venus L2 seems rather Usenet taboo/nondisclosure (off limits), and since folks here in Usenet land of all that's spook/mole orchestrated as anti-think-tank naysayism can't manage to behave themselves, much less focus constructively upon the original topic at hand; here's yet another of my constructive GS(global shading) contributions, of related research work in progress to sha Though not impossible, it is simply not all that likely that Earth's moon emerged from within mother Earth, whereas more likely as having materialized from an incoming glancing sucker punch, such as by that of a Sirius Oort cloud icy item, as for Earth having received a nasty blow (say having created an arctic ocean basin like impression, along with causing that seasonal tilt), by a very icy proto-moon (possibly of 4,000 km). For a brief example; If the orbital distance were made half and thus the velocity would have to double because the mutual gravity of attraction would have become 4X, therefore we'd have introduced 16 fold more inside and out worth of centripetal/tidal energy to deal with, and I'm not all that sure mother Earth would have stayed glued together at that level of horrific gravitional and internal tidal forced trauma, much less for cutting that orbital distance by yet another half (making its previous orbit at 96,100 km and velocity of 4.092 km/s) would have to impose yet another 16 fold factor, or rather suggesting 256 fold worse global warming trauma than what we currently are suffering from the existing tidal and thereby unavoidable GW affects as is. The mainstream argument(s) against my icy proto-moon argument, as to what's not quite adding up, soon becomes a real physics ****-off; How much time did it take for that moon which supposedly emerged from within Earth, to have reached the orbital altitude of 96,100 km, then having migrated from 96,100 km out to where it's currently operating at 384,400 km? (thus far, none of those spendy computer simulations seem clean enough) If within the regular laws of physics and by way of scientific matter of fact, suggesting that we do seem to have at our disposal 2e20 joules of potential mascon tidal energy via the mutual Earth/moon gravity and the for ever ongoing centripetal force to deal with, as applied energy that's coming or ongoing per each and every second, as such that's actually imposing a rather great potential of interactive planet--moon energy that's obviously existing and ongoing, or simply as coming or going as to/from somewhere or otherwise having to coexist as real energy. http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/cf.html#cf AJ Gravity Equations Formulas Calculator http://www.ajdesigner.com/phpgravity...tion_force.php Just for our calculating the Earth/moon static or passive worth of gravitational force: object 1 mass (m1) = 5.9736e24 kilogram object 2 mass (m2) = 7.349e22 kilogram distance between objects (r) = 384.4e6 meters grams of gravitational force(F) = 2.021492e22 g The kg of gravitational force = 2.021492e19 kg Here's some more of this weird physics math that doesn't quite fit the status quo mold, suggesting as to what it'll create by way of our having placed 7.35e22 kg at Earth's L1 if we excluded the sun itself, which of course can't ever be the case. http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/cf.html#cf r = 1.5376e9 meters M = 7.35e22 kg V = 112e3 m/s (if in relation to Earth's 24 hr rotation) Centripetal force: Fc = 5.996254e23 N = 6.11448e22 kgf 6.11448e22 kgf * 9.80665 = 5.996e23 joules Earth--L1 However, since the notion of having our moon relocated at Earth's L1 is essentially having diverted such into no longer orbiting us, there's actually zero centripetal interaction taking place (Earth is simply rather nicely spinning for no apparent reason at the end of this mutual and somewhat nullified sol/moon/Earth gravity string), whereas Sol--Earth L1 is supposedly the primary gravity influence of what takes back or rather nullifies all of the moon's gravity as well as having eliminated the centripetal force of whatever's equivalent in joules worth of implied energy: As for the sol--moon orbital interaction, as having established a 7.35e22 kg planetoid of orbital Fc = 44.4975e25 joules object 1 mass (m1) = 1.989e30 kilogram object 2 mass (m2) = 7.35e22 kilogram distance between objects (r) = 148060290 meters gravitational force (F) = 4.5375282969184E+25 kgf The kgf as energy.s = 4.5375283e25 * 9.80655 = 44.4975e25 joules Obviously the opposing gravity force/energy relationship that's involving mother Earth has to be taken into account. I simply haven't gotten that far. In other words, with our moon relocated out to Earth L1, we/Earth lose out on the original 2e20 joules, replaced by the sol/moon combined gravity and tidal influence that's going to become considerably less imposing than what we'd had ongoing from having that horrific amount of nearby orbiting mass of 7.35e22 kg and cruising at 1.023 km/s. However, we/Earth get to deal with our fair share portion of the 44.4975e25 joules while that moon becomes our local planetoid that's cruising within Earth's L1, as our binary partner on behalf of offering that much needed shade. Since we're talking about the existing Fc as a centripetal force per second, therefore the conversion over to joules is also of one that's based upon a second by second basis. 1 joule = 1 W.s (watt second) 3600 j = 1 W.h (watt hour) 1 watt hour of applied energy is therefore worth: 3600 joules 1 joule/sec as applied for an hour thereby also = 3600 joules Each kgf (kg of applied force/m/s) = 9.80665 joules There's roughly 2.0394e19 kgf of Fc (centripetal force) that's continually second by second as ongoing opposing force between Earth and our unusually massive and nearby orbiting mascon/moon. The second by second amount of centripetal force becomes: 2.0215e19 * 9.80665 = 19.824e19 joules Per hour, that amount of second by second applied energy becomes worth: 2e20 j * 3.6e3 = 7.2e23 W.h (watts per hour), or 7.2e20 kw At 7.2e20 / 5.112e14 m2 = 1.408e6 kw/m2 Obviously we're not getting ourselves mascon/moon roasted or otherwist tramatised to death by way of that horrific amount of applied energy, though a small portion of that mutual (inside and out) tidal induced energy is unavoidably becoming thermal energy via friction (inside and out). In addition to the Fc of 7.2e20 KW.h, there's also a touch of the moon's IR/FIR as terrestrial influx, although because we're continually being science data starved, as without having moon/L1 data, is why I've not yet accounted for the reflected and secondary worth of such IR/FIR energy that's received by Earth. The slight portion of the mascon gravity that's offset by centripetal force is what I'm suggesting is capable of global warming us inside and out, as listing below: 0.1% = 1.408 kw/m2 0.01% = 140.8 w/m2 0.001% = 14 w/m2 0.0001% = 1.4 w/m2 However, since I'm on such a Usenet taboo or banishment status of a need-to-know basis, and since I clearly do not already know all there is to know, is why some of my math could be unintentionally skewed or even dead wrong. Therefore, if your wizardly expertise should know any better, perhaps you could simply share by telling us how much or how little of that total amount of nearby mascon gravity and centripetal force of applied tidal energy is actually keeping us a little extra warm and toasty. My swag is leaning towards the 0.001% of the 7.2e20 KW.h, as being worth 14 w/m2. Of course that's applied inside and out, including a tidal forced atmosphere and otherwise all the way down to the very core of Earth, and thereby affecting most everything in between that's in any way fluid or capable of getting moved along by such forces. Therefore, take away our moon and subsequently a major portion of our surface environment becomes rather extra snowy and icy cold to the touch, not to mention rather albedo reflective to boot, perhaps even ice age cold enough as to reestablish a few of those badly receding glaciers and otherwise expand those polar caps. At least that's what the regular laws of physics and of replicated science has been suggesting. That's not my excluding or disqualifying the human GW factor of our global dimming via soot and by having added those nasty elements (including h2o) into our frail environment that's obviously anything but within energy balance, that are directly and/or indirectly polluting our oceans and atmosphere, like none other or even by what the entire collective of known species other than human can accomplish (are we humans good at raping and sucking the very life out of mother Earth, or what). However, as bad off as that sounds, I simply do not place more than 25% responsibility onto ourselves, and perhaps that's even worth as little as 10% of the ongoing global warming demise that's plaguing us until we manage to relocate that pesky moon of our's. Too bad there's not one American supercomputer that's worthy of running any of this analogy, at least not without blowing out their mainstream status quo CPUs. Apparently only of what's Old Testament faith based, or as hocus-pocus and/or cloak and dagger analogies can be run as fully 3D interactive computer simulations. As God forbid, you certainly wouldn't want to rock thy good ship LOLLIPOP with the truth, now would we. Unfortunately, our ongoing demise of our highly protective magnetosphere, at the rate of -0.05%/year, may eventually overtake the GW factor, as being the more human DNA and of other forms of life ultimate lethal demise of these two ongoing gauntlets, which added together are going to represent more trauma than most such forms of life as we know of can manage to evolve our way through, or otherwise survive via applied technology. Perhaps if the status quo gets its usual brown-nosed Skull and Bones worth of big-energy buttology certified way, whereas life on Venus (though naked humanly hot) isn't looking quite as bad off as we've been faith-based mainstream informed. - Brad Guth -- Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG |
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"Brad Guth" wrote in message
news:943268f4698ce93ff8aabb231b766a9b.49644@mygate .mailgate.org Of all the nifty places we can affordably and safely reach with our existing fly-by-rocket technology as of decades ago, Venus L2 is certainly a cool place to be, with secondly being that of our establishing a mostly if not entirely robotic science platform at our moon's L2 that's really nearby us. However, are the few and far between likes of "Joann Evans" and "Martha H Adams" dead and gone? It seems as though, all that's left within this mostly Usenet brown-nose land of unlimited butt-suckings are those MI/NSA~MIB spooks and moles, doing their usual Old Testament thing of acting out and/or reacting rather badly as though functioning exactly like the Jewish sorts of Third Reich (aka Skull and Bones). Am I wrong? Take to mentioning or otherwise sharing anything about intelligent other life, or much less that of forbid any honest thoughts of sharing upon intelligent design and of applied technology as utilized on behalf of whatever we as well as ETs should be capable of, then sit back and watch as all of Usenet status quo hell brakes lose, as though having gone Mormon or perhaps Amish on us, and of otherwise going absolutely naysay postal like a certain Pope did to those nice Cathars. If I show folks a perfectly good picture (better pixel truth worthy image than offered by most any visual spectrum CCD format) of what's offering us sufficient physical evidence as a perfectly deductive form of reasonably interpreted proof, as to sharing in whatever's existing/coexisting as intelligent other life upon Venus, and suddenly it's WW-III, if not a whole lot worse. Share most any honest thought pertaining to our extremely large and nearby moon that's truly a one of a kind orb by way of its ratio to that of the associated planet, and at best you've got yourself another nasty all-or-nothing gauntlet butt-load of causing seriously big trouble in NASA's River City. Contribute an honest thought as to resolving our ongoing lack of clean or even dirty energy and of the partly human associated global warming fiascos, then watch as faster than a speeding bullet you've got more than your fair share of those big-energy and pro-government brown-noses that start coming out of the wood, as well as emerging out of those mainstream status quo cesspools, like so many infomercial butt-flapping clowns popping out of those silly little cars. It's literally an ongoing bloody joke, as to what we're continually doing to ourselves and to that of our badly failing environment, yet those silly mainstream clowns keep arriving as though having an endless supply of those spendy little clown cars that realty have the world's worse possible EMPG ratings, and of their total dependence upon nasty oil and/or of spendy and otherwise polluting fuel alternatives that we can imagine. Unfortunately, this is all decades old news, and in some instances it's simply too far gone past the point of no return. In spite of the best available truths, every effort has been made to disqualify or otherwise stock, bash and to banish upon allowing any form of local or private America establishing the best applied technology of clean and renewable energy. It's as though they (big-energy and bigger-government) want us to pay that $1/kwhr or the equal worth in whatever other forms of energy, while further insuring we'll have established zilch worth of local or private alternatives to fall back upon. Our ongoing avoidance of our moon, of the moon's nifty L1, of anything Venus or even that of establishing something/anything at VL2, and especially that of our having avoided any chance of taking the nearby Sirius star/solar system seriously, is absolutely and rather insanely the most taboo/nondisclosure form of intellectual and scientific blockage via mainstream crapolla that simply shouldn't exist, that is unless you're stuck forever within some kind of pagan form of heathen naysay mode of unlimited denial. If you've got any better insider clue(s) as to what's going on, please do share. - Brad Guth -- Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG |
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"Brad Guth" wrote in message
news:943268f4698ce93ff8aabb231b766a9b.49644@mygate .mailgate.org You folks do realize just how cool Venus L2 is, don't you? On average, VL2 is much cooler than what ISS has to deal with. It's actually cool enough for accommodating a plastic Bigelow POOF, as to survive rather nicely within VL2. http://www.bigelowaerospace.com/ http://www.thespacereview.com/article/187/1 http://flyingsinger.blogspot.com/200...s-genesis.html - Brad Guth -- Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG |
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On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 02:34:40 +0000 (UTC), "Brad Guth"
wrote: "Brad Guth" wrote in message news:943268f4698ce93ff8aabb231b766a9b.49644@mygat e.mailgate.org You folks do realize just how cool Venus L2 is, don't you? Venus isn't cool, retard, and neither are you. -- Bill Snyder [This space unintentionally left blank.] |
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