Mankind's Fate !

Two important issues here :

First, man is hell bent of poisoning himself out of existence. First
the oceans will go, followed by everything shortly thereafter. The
root of this is the total lack of any population control. China made a
feeble attempt at addressing this, that failed miserably. It's an
established fact that any unchecked population, with necessarily
limited ressources, will increased until checked by something. This is
usually something very onerous as will be our ultimate fate.

Second, there are those that argue that man will just expand
throughout the usiverse. But man is limited to light speed and likely
something far slower, so this is essentially impossible. Intelligent
life probably abounds throughout the universe, yet we are never
visited by any. I think this is the reason. Distances are simply far
too great.

On 17/03/2018 8:39 AM, wrote:
Two important issues here :

First, man is hell bent of poisoning himself out of existence. First
the oceans will go, followed by everything shortly thereafter. The
root of this is the total lack of any population control. China made a
feeble attempt at addressing this, that failed miserably. It's an
established fact that any unchecked population, with necessarily
limited ressources, will increased until checked by something. This is
usually something very onerous as will be our ultimate fate.

Second, there are those that argue that man will just expand
throughout the usiverse. But man is limited to light speed and likely
something far slower, so this is essentially impossible. Intelligent
life probably abounds throughout the universe, yet we are never
visited by any. I think this is the reason. Distances are simply far
too great.



Agreed.

The other unknown is how long does intelligent life survive on a planet
once it takes hold? Looking at earth it seems to have taken an
amazingly long time to get to a level we would call 'intelligent'. Now
that we're at this level will we stay 'intelligent' until the earth dies?

It seems the earth was devoid of intelligent life for the 1st 99.994% of
it's existence. If all the other planets are devoid of intelligence
99.99% of the time then that's another reason for the eerie silence.





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Whisper wrote on 18/03/18 02:59:
On 17/03/2018 8:39 AM, wrote:
Two important issues here :

First, man is hell bent of poisoning himself out of existence. First
the oceans will go, followed by everything shortly thereafter. The
root of this is the total lack of any population control. China made a
feeble attempt at addressing this, that failed miserably. It's an
established fact that any unchecked population, with necessarily
limited ressources, will increased until checked by something. This is
usually something very onerous as will be our ultimate fate.

Second, there are those that argue that man will just expand
throughout the usiverse. But man is limited to light speed and likely
something far slower, so this is essentially impossible. Intelligent
life probably abounds throughout the universe, yet we are never
visited by any. I think this is the reason. Distances are simply far
too great.

Agreed.

The other unknown is how long does intelligent life survive on a planet
once it takes hold?Â* Looking at earth it seems to have taken an
amazingly long time to get to a level we would call 'intelligent'.Â* Now
that we're at this level will we stay 'intelligent' until the earth dies?

It seems the earth was devoid of intelligent life for the 1st 99.994% of
it's existence.Â* If all the other planets are devoid of intelligence
99.99% of the time then that's another reason for the eerie silence.

Wasn't there a diagram that represented the entire history of the Earth
as a Day .... and Homo-sapiens didn't appear until five minutes to
midnight or some such?? Or was the image a year long calendar??

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Daniel

On 18/03/2018 7:43 PM, Daniel60 wrote:
Whisper wrote on 18/03/18 02:59:
On 17/03/2018 8:39 AM, wrote:
Two important issues here :

First, man is hell bent of poisoning himself out of existence. First
the oceans will go, followed by everything shortly thereafter. The
root of this is the total lack of any population control. China made a
feeble attempt at addressing this, that failed miserably. It's an
established fact that any unchecked population, with necessarily
limited ressources, will increased until checked by something. This is
usually something very onerous as will be our ultimate fate.

Second, there are those that argue that man will just expand
throughout the usiverse. But man is limited to light speed and likely
something far slower, so this is essentially impossible. Intelligent
life probably abounds throughout the universe, yet we are never
visited by any. I think this is the reason. Distances are simply far
too great.

Agreed.

The other unknown is how long does intelligent life survive on a
planet once it takes hold?Â* Looking at earth it seems to have taken an
amazingly long time to get to a level we would call 'intelligent'.
Now that we're at this level will we stay 'intelligent' until the
earth dies?

It seems the earth was devoid of intelligent life for the 1st 99.994%
of it's existence.Â* If all the other planets are devoid of
intelligence 99.99% of the time then that's another reason for the
eerie silence.

Wasn't there a diagram that represented the entire history of the Earth
as a Day .... and Homo-sapiens didn't appear until five minutes to
midnight or some such?? Or was the image a year long calendar??




Yes it was a yr long calendar & 'anatomically modern humans' appeared 31
December 11:52 pm. That's in the last 8 minutes of the year.
Agriculture started 11:59:32 - the last 28 seconds of the whole year.

Egyptian/Pyramid era were around 12 seconds ago 23:59:48.

Currently we are in the last second of the year - ie 31 December
11:59:59 - which covers the last 457 yrs, so 1561 to 2018. Each second
in the calendar yr covers a period of 457 years. The internet appeared
in the last 10th of 1 second. That's a tiny sliver of time.

This cosmic calendar covers the age of the universe ie 13.8 billion yrs,
not the age of earth. If it really took us 13.8 billion yrs to reach
'intelligence', then it could be this is a typical gestation period for
all planets to reach this level? If so then it's no surprise we haven't
heard any signals yet. The signals may be coming thick & fast in
another billion yrs or so?





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Good perspective ...

On Friday, March 16, 2018 at 4:39:14 PM UTC-5, casagi.. wrote:
Two important issues here :

First, man is hell bent of poisoning himself out of existence. First
the oceans will go, followed by everything shortly thereafter. The
root of this is the total lack of any population control. China made a
feeble attempt at addressing this, that failed miserably. It's an
established fact that any unchecked population, with necessarily
limited ressources, will increased until checked by something. This is
usually something very onerous as will be our ultimate fate.

Second, there are those that argue that man will just expand
throughout the usiverse. But man is limited to light speed and likely
something far slower, so this is essentially impossible. Intelligent
life probably abounds throughout the universe, yet we are never
visited by any. I think this is the reason. Distances are simply far
too great.

Man has always proven to do some amazing things when he has to--we will travel to the stars. Maybe you will want to go with us when we journey to Alpha Centauri in the not too distant future. Then you will believe.

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Two important issues here :

First, man is hell bent of poisoning himself out of existence. First
the oceans will go, followed by everything shortly thereafter. The
root of this is the total lack of any population control. China made a
feeble attempt at addressing this, that failed miserably. It's an
established fact that any unchecked population, with necessarily
limited ressources, will increased until checked by something. This is
usually something very onerous as will be our ultimate fate.

Second, there are those that argue that man will just expand
throughout the usiverse. But man is limited to light speed and likely
something far slower, so this is essentially impossible. Intelligent
life probably abounds throughout the universe, yet we are never
visited by any. I think this is the reason. Distances are simply far
too great.


*** What do you think old Columbus would say if you told him that
today an Airbus 380 could haul 400 people from Frankfurt to NYC
in 6-7 hours ... I'm sure he'd say "can't be done, the wind just can't
blow that hard" ...

*** What do you think old Columbus would say if you told him that
today an Airbus 380 could haul 400 people from Frankfurt to NYC
in 6-7 hours ... I'm sure he'd say "can't be done, the wind just can't
blow that hard" ...

Analogy way out of proportion.

Columbus to Airbus speed ratio is about 100, while fastest space probe
to light speed is way over 30,000. And even light speed is way too
slow to be practical ...

Hägar wrote:
wrote in message ...

Two important issues here :

First, man is hell bent of poisoning himself out of existence. First
the oceans will go, followed by everything shortly thereafter. The
root of this is the total lack of any population control. China made a
feeble attempt at addressing this, that failed miserably. It's an
established fact that any unchecked population, with necessarily
limited ressources, will increased until checked by something. This is
usually something very onerous as will be our ultimate fate.

Second, there are those that argue that man will just expand
throughout the usiverse. But man is limited to light speed and likely
something far slower, so this is essentially impossible. Intelligent
life probably abounds throughout the universe, yet we are never
visited by any. I think this is the reason. Distances are simply far
too great.


*** What do you think old Columbus would say if you told him that
today an Airbus 380 could haul 400 people from Frankfurt to NYC
in 6-7 hours ... I'm sure he'd say "can't be done, the wind just can't
blow that hard" ...





Don't be silly. I'm sure Columbus had to deal with politicians and knew
what the term "blowhard" meant

On Thursday, March 22, 2018 at 12:26:15 PM UTC-7, Bast wrote:
Hägar wrote:
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Two important issues here :

First, man is hell bent of poisoning himself out of existence. First
the oceans will go, followed by everything shortly thereafter. The
root of this is the total lack of any population control. China made a
feeble attempt at addressing this, that failed miserably. It's an
established fact that any unchecked population, with necessarily
limited ressources, will increased until checked by something. This is
usually something very onerous as will be our ultimate fate.

Second, there are those that argue that man will just expand
throughout the usiverse. But man is limited to light speed and likely
something far slower, so this is essentially impossible. Intelligent
life probably abounds throughout the universe, yet we are never
visited by any. I think this is the reason. Distances are simply far
too great.


*** What do you think old Columbus would say if you told him that
today an Airbus 380 could haul 400 people from Frankfurt to NYC
in 6-7 hours ... I'm sure he'd say "can't be done, the wind just can't
blow that hard" ...





Don't be silly. I'm sure Columbus had to deal with politicians and knew
what the term "blowhard" meant

Columbus knew the Earth was round.He was trying to prove it,but land got in his way.He thought it was part of Asia.He was all wet.He bought back no gold,and was put in jail by the King.Good reason why.Bert