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Are we a space faring nation or not!?
"Brad Guth" wrote in message ... Our nearby zero delta-V of the Earth-moon L1 (Selene L1) is 97% solar illuminated (100% if there's a sufficient halo orbit established). A tethered element can safely reach a platform of emf/photon transmitters to within 2r of Earth. Of course the tether dipole energy itself is going to be substantial. Are you going to suggest that location is useless? Well I think if some goal is likely to take more than a decade or so, it becomes too hard to get it started. Like the idea of mining asteroids and such, if it's a good fifty years out, it's hard to get excited about it. Just out of curiosity, it's hard to respond to your posts because my browser will never include the in the reply. So one has to go type it in line by line to respond. That only seems to happen to a few posters, so how have you got your browser set? ~ BG |
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On Jul 12, 2:55*pm, "John M" wrote:
"Brad Guth" wrote in message ... Our nearby zero delta-V of the Earth-moon L1 (Selene L1) is 97% solar illuminated (100% if there's a sufficient halo orbit established). *A tethered element can safely reach a platform of emf/photon transmitters to within 2r of Earth. Of course the tether dipole energy itself is going to be substantial. Are you going to suggest that location is useless? Well I think if some goal is likely to take more than a decade or so, it becomes too hard to get it started. Like the idea of mining asteroids and such, if it's a good fifty years out, it's hard to get excited about it. We could have accomplished our first Gateway/OASIS outpost at Selene L1 as of 4 decades ago, at about a tenth the cost of those poorly documented and still highly questionable Apollo missions. So, I really don't see the problem(s) or whatever insurmountable considerations, not even of that primitive space faring era. With the same investment as Apollo, we could have parked a thousand tonnes in that zero delta-V location, as well as within less than half the time. Just out of curiosity, it's hard to respond to your posts because my browser will never include the in the reply. So one has to go type it in line by line to respond. That only seems to happen to a few posters, so how have you got your browser set? Now that's interesting as hell, because my "FireFox" never seems to have that problem, as well as I never use special fonts or fool with posting in HTML. It's more likely that those in charge of how Google Groups is taking and storing or archiving my contributions, is trying to make it as difficult as possible for the average person to read and respond. I wouldn't be surprised if a good many Usenet/newsgroup servers entirely exclude anything I have to say. For example, all public K-12s are pretty much kept unaware of Google's Usenet/newsgroups, and perhaps that's because it's intentionally obfuscated or otherwise banished. Public funded universities may also be on the NO FLY list, so that they too are not allowed to read or otherwise research via the same public internet as you and I. ~ BG |
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"Brad Guth" wrote in message ... On Jul 12, 2:55 pm, "John M" wrote: "Brad Guth" wrote in message ... Our nearby zero delta-V of the Earth-moon L1 (Selene L1) is 97% solar illuminated (100% if there's a sufficient halo orbit established). A tethered element can safely reach a platform of emf/photon transmitters to within 2r of Earth. Of course the tether dipole energy itself is going to be substantial. Are you going to suggest that location is useless? Well I think if some goal is likely to take more than a decade or so, it becomes too hard to get it started. Like the idea of mining asteroids and such, if it's a good fifty years out, it's hard to get excited about it. We could have accomplished our first Gateway/OASIS outpost at Selene L1 as of 4 decades ago, at about a tenth the cost of those poorly documented and still highly questionable Apollo missions. So, I really don't see the problem(s) or whatever insurmountable considerations, not even of that primitive space faring era. With the same investment as Apollo, we could have parked a thousand tonnes in that zero delta-V location, as well as within less than half the time. Just out of curiosity, it's hard to respond to your posts because my browser will never include the in the reply. So one has to go type it in line by line to respond. That only seems to happen to a few posters, so how have you got your browser set? Now that's interesting as hell, because my "FireFox" never seems to have that problem, as well as I never use special fonts or fool with posting in HTML. It's more likely that those in charge of how Google Groups is taking and storing or archiving my contributions, is trying to make it as difficult as possible for the average person to read and respond. I wouldn't be surprised if a good many Usenet/newsgroup servers entirely exclude anything I have to say. For example, all public K-12s are pretty much kept unaware of Google's Usenet/newsgroups, and perhaps that's because it's intentionally obfuscated or otherwise banished. Public funded universities may also be on the NO FLY list, so that they too are not allowed to read or otherwise research via the same public internet as you and I. ~ BG .................................................. ............... It's probably a fluke of outlook, but when I hit reply to your posts I get it just like above, with no 's added. If that's true for others, they'd likely find it a hassle to respond, or just quote a single sentence of yours to reply to. |
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"Pat Flannery" wrote in message news On 7/5/2010 2:31 PM, John M wrote: The Air Force has clearly recognized that unmanned is their future. It's time NASA admitted the same. I've got nothing against the ISS, but mining operations on the Moon and asteroids is just plain idiotic. How much would it cost, and how long would it take to build a factory beyond low orbit? Too much. Oh, the military would be back into manned space in a minute if someone threw the money at them to do it. Remember "Hot Eagle" and SUSTAIN?: http://defensetech.org/2005/09/19/ma...in-spaaaaaace/ Pat I bet there's no shortage of things the military would like to build. I found this UAV roadmap from the Dod. More remote control planes than you can shake a stick at. It appears all those local 'model airports' around the country are secretly run by Darpa~ http://www.fas.org/irp/program/colle...oadmap2005.pdf |
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On Jul 13, 3:59*pm, "John M" wrote:
"Brad Guth" wrote in message ... On Jul 12, 2:55 pm, "John M" wrote: "Brad Guth" wrote in message .... Our nearby zero delta-V of the Earth-moon L1 (Selene L1) is 97% solar illuminated (100% if there's a sufficient halo orbit established). A tethered element can safely reach a platform of emf/photon transmitters to within 2r of Earth. Of course the tether dipole energy itself is going to be substantial. Are you going to suggest that location is useless? Well I think if some goal is likely to take more than a decade or so, it becomes too hard to get it started. Like the idea of mining asteroids and such, if it's a good fifty years out, it's hard to get excited about it. We could have accomplished our first Gateway/OASIS outpost at Selene L1 as of 4 decades ago, at about a tenth the cost of those poorly documented and still highly questionable Apollo missions. *So, I really don't see the problem(s) or whatever insurmountable considerations, not even of that primitive space faring era. *With the same investment as Apollo, we could have parked a thousand tonnes in that zero delta-V location, as well as within less than half the time. Just out of curiosity, it's hard to respond to your posts because my browser will never include the in the reply. So one has to go type it in line by line to respond. That only seems to happen to a few posters, so how have you got your browser set? Now that's interesting as hell, because my "FireFox" never seems to have that problem, as well as I never use special fonts or fool with posting in HTML. It's more likely that those in charge of how Google Groups is taking and storing or archiving my contributions, is trying to make it as difficult as possible for the average person to read and respond. *I wouldn't be surprised if a good many Usenet/newsgroup servers entirely exclude anything I have to say. For example, all public K-12s are pretty much kept unaware of Google's Usenet/newsgroups, and perhaps that's because it's intentionally obfuscated or otherwise banished. *Public funded universities may also be on the NO FLY list, so that they too are not allowed to read or otherwise research via the same public internet as you and I. *~ BG .................................................. .............. It's probably a fluke of outlook, but when I hit reply to your posts I get it just like above, with no 's added. If that's true for others, they'd likely find it a hassle to respond, or just quote a single sentence of yours to reply to. That's OK, even though OUTLOOK is somewhat dysfunctional, I can still deal with it. Try using the Google Groups posting interface. For one thing you will no longer be loading up your hard-drive with excessive Usenet/ newsgroup stuff. I use WORD or whatever basic editor to manage my typing and to then cut and paste whatever context to/from Google Groups, thus saving my stuff and whatever other Usenet context that seems worth keeping on hand. There's only a few tricks to learning and using Google Groups in order to get the best out of their Usenet/newsgroups. Very few ever bother to reply anyway, perhaps not more than one out of a hundred that read our stuff ever bother to contribute (could be a few as one out of a thousand). ~ BG |
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On Jul 13, 7:45*pm, "John M" wrote:
"Pat Flannery" wrote in message news On 7/5/2010 2:31 PM, John M wrote: The Air Force has clearly recognized that unmanned is their future. It's time NASA admitted the same. I've got nothing against the ISS, but mining operations on the Moon and asteroids is just plain idiotic. How much would it cost, and how long would it take to build a factory beyond low orbit? Too much. Oh, the military would be back into manned space in a minute if someone threw the money at them to do it. Remember "Hot Eagle" and SUSTAIN?: http://defensetech.org/2005/09/19/ma...in-spaaaaaace/ Pat I bet there's no shortage of things the military would like to build. I found this UAV roadmap from the Dod. More remote control planes than you can *shake *a stick at. *It appears all those local 'model airports' around the country are secretly *run by Darpa~http://www.fas.org/irp/program/colle...oadmap2005.pdf Who knew!?! The ones I have seen stand around in civilian clothes looking like actual hobbyists with remote contollers in their hands. But in reality... |
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On Jul 17, 9:07*am, Fred J. McCall wrote:
"John M" wrote: Just out of curiosity, it's hard to respond to your posts because my browser will never include the in the reply. So one has to go type it in line by line to respond. That only seems to happen to a few posters, so how have you got your browser set? That's because you're posting via Outhouse Distress and he's posting via Goggle Gropes. *Since neither qualifies as a decent Usenet Newsreader, you get what you get. There are add-ons you can get that supposedly help with this sort of misfeature on your side. *For example: http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/ However, the best solution is to dump the MS crap and use a real newsreader. -- "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable *man persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, *all progress depends on the unreasonable man." * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * --George Bernard Shaw Perhaps you only like your private newsreader because it holds millions of active killfiles, so that you only get to read whatever 100% agrees with your mindset. ~ BG |
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On Jul 6, 7:21*am, Michael Gallagher wrote:
On Mon, 5 Jul 2010 18:31:11 -0400, "John M" wrote: ....The Air Force has clearly recognized that unmanned is their future ..... Assuming the Air Force never takes an interest in a "miltary version" Boeing's CST-100. *But they already run the pads that the 100's likely launch vehicles launch from anyway,and they have a histor of trying for their own manned program, *so it's not that big a leap for the USAF to get back into a manned program. *All they need is a general with some pulll to like that idea. *That'll be after the CST-100 has started flying, of course. ....The longer term the project, the less chance for success. That's my problem: *Why do they have to be long term at all? *They should be quicker than that! "I am not A big, fat panda. *I am THE big, fat panda" -- Po, Kung Fu Panda Being quick is often a fore-certain death sentence to those most at risk. It seems our government is in no great hurry to accomplish anything, other than maximizing job security and protecting those nifty COL benefits. ~ BG |
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Are we a space faring nation or not!?
No, we are the warmonger nation. War at all costs. War answer to all
problems. Warmonger nation. -- LSMFT I haven't spoken to my wife in 18 months. I don't like to interrupt her. |
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On Jul 21, 4:15*am, LSMFT wrote:
No, we are the warmonger nation. War at all costs. War answer to all problems. Warmonger nation. -- LSMFT I haven't spoken to my wife in 18 months. I don't like to interrupt her. You got that right. We also tend to false flag those wars. ~ BG |
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