2009: Second warmest year on record; end of warmest decade

"Catoni" wrote in message
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plus cold snaps in Britain and Europe, and Siberia, and
China..................


Which bit of Europe? Bulgaria had record highs

http://paper.standartnews.com/en/art...&article=32289

China might have had a cold snap but what about Tibet..

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen...-warming-china

"Tibet temperature 'highest since records began' say Chinese climatologists"

and it's mild in the Arctic..

http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/s...n-lagging.html

"Mild winter sees Arctic ice formation lagging"

"Coffee in Madrid" wrote in message
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Its just a temporary downward blip in the global warming curve... seen
mostly just in the USA.

Parts of the USA are worried about it being a WARM winter...

http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Warm-w...-85342217.html
Warm winter worries S. Oregon fruit growers

and has it really been a mild winter in parts of NewYork?...
http://www.wptz.com/money/22649759/detail.html
"Mild Winter Saves Costly Salt Use"

On 2/26/10 5:22 AM, Peter Muehlbauer wrote:


Your crystal ball told you?
No sources for a "temporary" blip?

Here is just one indicator of the blip!

Recent changes in a remote Arctic lake are unique within the past 200,000 years
http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2009/10/16/0907094106

Yarrow Axforda,1, Jason P. Brinerb, Colin A. Cookec, Donna R. Francisd, Neal Micheluttie, Gifford H. Millera,f, John P. Smole, Elizabeth K. Thomasb, Cheryl R. Wilsone and Alexander P. Wolfec
+ Author Affiliations


Abstract

The Arctic is currently undergoing dramatic environmental
transformations, but it remains largely unknown how these changes
compare with long-term natural variability. Here we present a lake
sediment sequence from the Canadian Arctic that records warm periods of
the past 200,000 years, including the 20th century. This record provides
a perspective on recent changes in the Arctic and predates by
approximately 80,000 years the oldest stratigraphically intact ice core
recovered from the Greenland Ice Sheet. The early Holocene and the
warmest part of the Last Interglacial (Marine Isotope Stage or MIS 5e)
were the only periods of the past 200,000 years with summer temperatures
comparable to or exceeding today's at this site. Paleoecological and
geochemical data indicate that the past three interglacial periods were
characterized by similar trajectories in temperature, lake biology, and
lakewater pH, all of which tracked orbitally-driven solar insolation. In
recent decades, however, the study site has deviated from this recurring
natural pattern and has entered an environmental regime that is unique
within the past 200 millennia.

On 2/26/10 5:17 AM, Peter Muehlbauer wrote:
Sam wrote:

2009: Second warmest year on record

What record?

What makes a year important within a cherrypicked slope and within a
flyspeck of time compared to hundreds of bigger ups and downs during the last
12000 years of interglacial?

AGW mode Shrill... SHRILL ... S H R I L L !!!!!!111oneeleven/

Since the have been many "ups and downs" over the last
12000 years why are you so surprised that we are experiencing
another up?

Sam Wormley wrote:

2009: Second warmest year on record; end of warmest decade
http://climate.nasa.gov/news/index.cfm?NewsID=249

By Adam Voiland,
NASA’s Earth Science News Team

"2009 was tied for the second warmest year in the modern record, a new
NASA analysis of global surface temperature shows.
[snip crap]

The numbers are cooked - and everybody acknowleges it.

http://blogs.nature.com/news/thegreatbeyond/2010/02/met_office_calls_for_improved.html

Sam, you are beating a bogus drum. Al Gore should be strung up with
piano wire like Moussolini, as a warning to others.

--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz4.htm

Sam Wormley wrote:
On 2/26/10 5:17 AM, Peter Muehlbauer wrote:
Sam wrote:

2009: Second warmest year on record

What record?

What makes a year important within a cherrypicked slope and within a
flyspeck of time compared to hundreds of bigger ups and downs during
the last
12000 years of interglacial?

AGW mode Shrill... SHRILL ... S H R I L L !!!!!!111oneeleven/

Since the have been many "ups and downs" over the last
12000 years why are you so surprised that we are experiencing
another up?




Than why is it a problem ?



--
AM

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On Feb 26, 5:07*pm, Uncle Al wrote:
Sam Wormley wrote:

2009: Second warmest year on record; end of warmest decade
* *http://climate.nasa.gov/news/index.cfm?NewsID=249

By Adam Voiland,
NASA s Earth Science News Team

"2009 was tied for the second warmest year in the modern record, a new
NASA analysis of global surface temperature shows.

[snip crap]

The numbers are cooked - and everybody acknowleges it.

http://blogs.nature.com/news/thegrea..._improved.html

This is a welcome move, but what will happen if the corrected
methodology also indicates runaway warming? Are denialists going to
apologise? And should the warming turn out to be a chimera of data
manipulation. Are the CC proponents going to say they were wrong?

Sam, you are beating a bogus drum. *Al Gore should be strung up with
piano wire like Moussolini, as a warning to others.

Such activity is best left to fascists and similar extremist groups.
They do excel at this kind of thing.

Hey Peter Muehlbauer, did I ever tell you the one, when the earth
got so hot that...

For example the geological evidence suggests a likely chain of events
leading to the Permian extinction (250 Myrs ago): volcanoes [instead
of fossil fuel burning] released carbon dioxide and triggered global
warming. The ocean temperatures increased significantly, causing
dissolved oxygen levels (in the ocean) to plummet. Anaerobic conditions
in the oceans promoted the growth of bacteria that produces hydrogen
sulfide, a toxic gas. Large amounts of hydrogen sulfide accumulated in
the oceans and atmosphere (and is found in sedimentary layers of rock),
killing most plants and animals.

Here is a nice 13 minute lay-level presentation of that scenario:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/sciencenow/3318/01.html

Peter, you can tell this story to your grandchildren. Teach them how
to use automatic weapons to defend themselves and property against
the "have nots" in a world of dwindling resources and increasing
populations.

On 2/26/10 9:10 AM, AM wrote:
Sam Wormley wrote:
On 2/26/10 5:17 AM, Peter Muehlbauer wrote:
Sam wrote:

2009: Second warmest year on record

What record?

What makes a year important within a cherrypicked slope and within a
flyspeck of time compared to hundreds of bigger ups and downs during
the last
12000 years of interglacial?

AGW mode Shrill... SHRILL ... S H R I L L !!!!!!111oneeleven/

Since the have been many "ups and downs" over the last
12000 years why are you so surprised that we are experiencing
another up?


Than why is it a problem ?


Whether one considers global climate change as a
problem is perspective dependent.

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On Fri, 26 Feb 2010 07:20:30 -0800, JohnM wrote:

On Feb 26, 5:07Â*pm, Uncle Al wrote:
Sam Wormley wrote:

2009: Second warmest year on record; end of warmest decade
Â* Â*http://climate.nasa.gov/news/index.cfm?NewsID=249

By Adam Voiland,
NASA s Earth Science News Team

"2009 was tied for the second warmest year in the modern record, a
new NASA analysis of global surface temperature shows.

[snip crap]

The numbers are cooked - and everybody acknowleges it.

http://blogs.nature.com/news/thegreatbeyond/2010/02/
met_office_calls_for_improved.html

This is a welcome move, but what will happen if the corrected
methodology also indicates runaway warming?

IF the "corrected methodology" showed warming, then the AGW "scientist"
wouldn't have had to lie their asses off.

Unless it is your claim that Jones, Mann, Hansen et al are so utterly
stupid they couldn't even show REAL warming without resorting to lies.



Are denialists going to apologise?

You need to do more than just show warming. You need to show:
1) That the warming is caused by CO2.
2) That humans put the CO2 there.
3) That the warming is bad.
4) That Svensmark's theory, which shows that the last 4.5 billion years
of climate change follows solar cycle, is a fluke.

Good luck with that.

You see, if all you can show is warming, then it is what educated people
call a "post hoc" fallacy. Warming alone does not prove that humans
caused the warming, that the warming is bad, or that the only way to
solve the problem is to shovel billions of dollars up Al Gore's ass.