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Space Race Driven By The Nuclear Threat - Now A Mainstream Understanding
David Spain wrote:
Rick Jones wrote: Sputnik was a hollowed-out nuclear weapon??? rick jones Well it had the proper geometry... A sphere was/is the proper geometry for the warhead on an ICBM? rick jones -- Process shall set you free from the need for rational thought. these opinions are mine, all mine; HP might not want them anyway... feel free to post, OR email to rick.jones2 in hp.com but NOT BOTH... |
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Space Race Driven By The Nuclear Threat - Now A Mainstream Understanding
Rick Jones wrote:
David Spain wrote: Rick Jones wrote: Sputnik was a hollowed-out nuclear weapon??? rick jones Well it had the proper geometry... A sphere was/is the proper geometry for the warhead on an ICBM? Tisk, tisk; you said nuclear weapon, you did not say warhead... ;-) Dave |
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David Spain wrote:
Rick Jones wrote: David Spain wrote: Rick Jones wrote: Sputnik was a hollowed-out nuclear weapon??? rick jones Well it had the proper geometry... A sphere was/is the proper geometry for the warhead on an ICBM? Tisk, tisk; you said nuclear weapon, you did not say warhead... I was influenced by the OP's quote of whatshisname but didn't play accurately enough with my own terminology I guess: "So, we fear them because they put up Sputnik, which by the way, people forget, was an emptied-out casing of an Inter- Continental Ballistic Missile, alright." and "but it was a ballistic missile head, without explosives, so that was a signal" rick -- No need to believe in either side, or any side. There is no cause. There's only yourself. The belief is in your own precision. - Joubert these opinions are mine, all mine; HP might not want them anyway... feel free to post, OR email to rick.jones2 in hp.com but NOT BOTH... |
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Space Race Driven By The Nuclear Threat - Now A Mainstream Understanding
From Fred J. McCall:
David Spain wrote: Rick Jones wrote: David Spain wrote: Rick Jones wrote: Sputnik was a hollowed-out nuclear weapon??? rick jones Well it had the proper geometry... A sphere was/is the proper geometry for the warhead on an ICBM? Tisk, tisk; you said nuclear weapon, you did not say warhead... ;-) And he certainly didn't say RV, which is something else again. Seeing how spheres *were* used by the Soviet Union, I'd say that it is a totally feasible geometry for the weapon, the warhead AND the RV. ~ CT |
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Space Race Driven By The Nuclear Threat - Now A Mainstream Understanding
Stuf4 wrote:
From Fred J. McCall: David Spain wrote: Rick Jones wrote: David Spain wrote: Rick Jones wrote: Sputnik was a hollowed-out nuclear weapon??? rick jones Well it had the proper geometry... A sphere was/is the proper geometry for the warhead on an ICBM? Tisk, tisk; you said nuclear weapon, you did not say warhead... ;-) And he certainly didn't say RV, which is something else again. Seeing how spheres *were* used by the Soviet Union, I'd say that it is a totally feasible geometry for the weapon, the warhead AND the RV. ~ CT Well getting one 1 out of 3 right ain't bad, esp. if you don't particularly care where that weapon comes down.... Fred, you can take it from here, or not.... Dave |
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Space Race Driven By The Nuclear Threat - Now A Mainstream Understanding
Joseph Nebus wrote:
Sane people, however, do dispute the idea that the Saturn V was built to significantly advance intercontinental ballistic missiles, since the Saturn V would be a spectacularly dumb choice for ICBM, and work to advance the state of the art in nuclear-bomb-carrying-rockets would be sensibly done in nuclear-bomb-carrying-rocket programs, rather than on Apollo/Saturn. I was not aware that anyone outside the "moon conspiracy" crowd that ever might have thought otherwise. As for those folks, there's really no point in arguing religious doctrine. Dave |
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On Thu, 01 Mar 2012 10:25:50 -0500, David Spain
wrote, perhaps among other things: Stuf4 wrote: From Fred J. McCall: David Spain wrote: Rick Jones wrote: David Spain wrote: Rick Jones wrote: Sputnik was a hollowed-out nuclear weapon??? rick jones Well it had the proper geometry... A sphere was/is the proper geometry for the warhead on an ICBM? Tisk, tisk; you said nuclear weapon, you did not say warhead... ;-) And he certainly didn't say RV, which is something else again. Seeing how spheres *were* used by the Soviet Union, I'd say that it is a totally feasible geometry for the weapon, the warhead AND the RV. ~ CT Well getting one 1 out of 3 right ain't bad, esp. if you don't particularly care where that weapon comes down.... "That's not my department, says Wernher von Braun." Fred, you can take it from here, or not.... Dave -- "Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell." -- Ed Abbey |
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Space Race Driven By The Nuclear Threat - Now A Mainstream Understanding
From David Spain:
Stuf4 wrote: Seeing how spheres *were* used by the Soviet Union, I'd say that it is a totally feasible geometry for the weapon, the warhead AND the RV. Well getting one 1 out of 3 right ain't bad, esp. if you don't particularly care where that weapon comes down.... Fred, you can take it from here, or not.... And the Soviets must not particularly care where their cosmonauts come down. Logic, you can take it from here. Or not. ~ CT |
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From Fred J. McCall:
Stuf4 wrote: From Fred J. McCall: David Spain wrote: Rick Jones wrote: David Spain wrote: Rick Jones wrote: Sputnik was a hollowed-out nuclear weapon??? rick jones Well it had the proper geometry... A sphere was/is the proper geometry for the warhead on an ICBM? Tisk, tisk; you said nuclear weapon, you did not say warhead... ;-) And he certainly didn't say RV, which is something else again. Seeing how spheres *were* used by the Soviet Union, I'd say that it is a totally feasible geometry for the weapon, the warhead AND the RV. I take it they don't let you do engineering or design work... Open-minded thinkers who know what is feasible - instead of just doing things out of habit - make better engineers and designers than those who lack such attributes. Of course, as is repeatedly demonstrated on this forum, there are many who will not hold such a view. It is FAR more comfortable to keep one's thought processes so restrained as to remain well within the confines of the perceived 'box'. ....and if anyone comes along to challenge limited thinking, do not so much as peek outside your box, for therein lies the discomfort. -- "Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the *truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong." * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *-- Thomas Jefferson (Well said, TJ.) ~ CT |
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Space Race Driven By The Nuclear Threat - Now A Mainstream Understanding
From Fred J. McCall:
Stuf4 wrote: From David Spain: Stuf4 wrote: Seeing how spheres *were* used by the Soviet Union, I'd say that it is a totally feasible geometry for the weapon, the warhead AND the RV. Well getting one 1 out of 3 right ain't bad, esp. if you don't particularly care where that weapon comes down.... Fred, you can take it from here, or not.... And the Soviets must not particularly care where their cosmonauts come down. Logic, you can take it from here. *Or not. Soyuz reentry module isn't a sphere. Before you try 'logic', try 'reality'. I never stated whether or not the Soyuz RV was a sphere. My point was that a sphere is a perfectly feasible geometry for an RV. No rebuttals posted (as of yet, at least) have done anything to convince me that a sphere is not a feasible shape for a nuke weapon, warhead as well as an RV. I remain in my certainty that they are. And the Soviets went a long way to convince me of that. Very early on here in my experience of the forum that is sci.space.history, I made the point that it was the very design decision of the US, led by Max Faget, to go with a blunt-body instead of a spherical geometry that enabled the US to win the race to send people to the Moon. Yes, Max deserves credit for the US resounding winning of the space race. The reasoning is explained in that original post from over a decade ago. I can repeat it here if anyone is interested. I was very glad to have had the opportunity to engage Max in intriguing conversation. I can't remember right now whether I explained to him how his effort won that race. I know with certainty that I *wanted* to tell him. But whether I actually expressed that to him - which takes a bit of explaining - seems a bit hazy. I hope I had posted to the forum in past years that I did tell him. (Usenet's memory again is very solid.) And of course, it would be very easy for him or those around him to draw the same simple conclusion, so I like to think that he had complete awareness of this. ~ CT |
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