"NASA questions Apollo 13 commander's sale of list"

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...0e2c17dfe84c57

http://preview.tinyurl.com/77yymux

While NASA is almost certainly within their rights under the letter of the
law, in my opinion in this case it is quite petty.

The men nearly lost their lives in the incident, and I doubt if NASA made
any effort at all in the previous 41 years to locate or recover the
missing checklist.

Nice photo of said checklist he

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...e84c57&index=0

http://preview.tinyurl.com/7m29v4p

For a moment I thought that I had spotted a glaring and surprising grammar
error, but it seems that "DOCKED IMU COARSE ALIGN" is correct.

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Tony Sivori wrote:
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...0e2c17dfe84c57

http://preview.tinyurl.com/77yymux

While NASA is almost certainly within their rights under the letter of the
law, in my opinion in this case it is quite petty.


I tend to agree. NASA wants to pick the museums this stuff ends up in I guess,
rather than in the hands of private collectors.

However, NASA needs to consider this. If it weren't for that checklist and the
handwritten notations than Jim Lovell put there, well, NASA wouldn't have it
either....

Dave

Tony Sivori wrote:
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...0e2c17dfe84c57


I love the caption that goes with the photo of the checklist:

/quote
CORRECTS THAT PHOTO IS A FILE PHOTO -- FILE- A Nov. 23, 2011 file photo
released by Heritage Auctions shows a a key page from the Apollo 13 Lunar
Module Checklist with handwriting by Commander James Lovell. The list shows
calculations made by Commander James Lovell that helped him and his crew
navigate the damaged aircraft back to earth. NASA is questioning whether
Lovell has the right to sell a 70-page checklist from the flight that included
his handwritten calculations. The document was sold at auction in November for
$388.000. The sale has been suspended pending the outcome of the inquiry. (AP
Photo/Heritage Auctions,File)
/end-quote

Damn I knew Lovell was good, but I didn't know he was that damned good. Flying
a damaged aircraft all the way to the moon and back? Crickey!

;-)

Dave

That's an excellent point, David. NASA didn't bother to keep this stuff
and didn't seek it's return before.

I have to say, I have become increasingly disenchanted with NASA as an
organisation; they are now little more than a petty bureaucracy.

On 10/01/2012 09:55, David Spain wrote:
Tony Sivori wrote:
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...0e2c17dfe84c57


http://preview.tinyurl.com/77yymux

While NASA is almost certainly within their rights under the letter of
the
law, in my opinion in this case it is quite petty.


I tend to agree. NASA wants to pick the museums this stuff ends up in I
guess, rather than in the hands of private collectors.

However, NASA needs to consider this. If it weren't for that checklist
and the handwritten notations than Jim Lovell put there, well, NASA
wouldn't have it either....

Dave

On Jan 9, 6:15*pm, Obviousman wrote:
That's an excellent point, David. NASA didn't bother to keep this stuff
and didn't seek it's return before.

I have to say, I have become increasingly disenchanted with NASA as an
organisation; they are now little more than a petty bureaucracy.

On 10/01/2012 09:55, David Spain wrote:



Tony Sivori wrote:
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...nAsxe4Z1a1qPih....

http://preview.tinyurl.com/77yymux

While NASA is almost certainly within their rights under the letter of
the
law, in my opinion in this case it is quite petty.

I tend to agree. NASA wants to pick the museums this stuff ends up in I
guess, rather than in the hands of private collectors.

However, NASA needs to consider this. If it weren't for that checklist
and the handwritten notations than Jim Lovell put there, well, NASA
wouldn't have it either....

Dave- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

nasa sold off lots of apollo era stuff at the programs end. even sold
as scrap a boiler plate apollo CM which ended up infront of a dairy
queen near oil city pa.

On Jan 9, 5:47 pm, bob haller wrote:
On Jan 9, 6:15 pm, Obviousman wrote:



That's an excellent point, David. NASA didn't bother to keep this stuff
and didn't seek it's return before.

I have to say, I have become increasingly disenchanted with NASA as an
organisation; they are now little more than a petty bureaucracy.

On 10/01/2012 09:55, David Spain wrote:

Tony Sivori wrote:
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...nAsxe4Z1a1qPih...

http://preview.tinyurl.com/77yymux

While NASA is almost certainly within their rights under the letter of
the
law, in my opinion in this case it is quite petty.

I tend to agree. NASA wants to pick the museums this stuff ends up in I
guess, rather than in the hands of private collectors.

However, NASA needs to consider this. If it weren't for that checklist
and the handwritten notations than Jim Lovell put there, well, NASA
wouldn't have it either....

Dave- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

nasa sold off lots of apollo era stuff at the programs end. even sold
as scrap a boiler plate apollo CM which ended up infront of a dairy
queen near oil city pa.

Rule is, company property (NASA in this case) was made at their
expense, notes etc., for company business. Taking any company
property is unlawful.
Ken

David Spain wrote:

I love the caption that goes with the photo of the checklist:

/quote
and his crew navigate the damaged aircraft back to earth. NASA is
/end-quote

Damn I knew Lovell was good, but I didn't know he was that damned good.
Flying a damaged aircraft all the way to the moon and back? Crickey!

;-)

One could say that it is an aircraft, for a very small part of the
journey. One could also say news agencies don't seem to proofread as
effectively as they used to do.

--
Tony Sivori

Ken S. Tucker wrote:
Rule is, company property (NASA in this case) was made at their
expense, notes etc., for company business. Taking any company
property is unlawful.

But to take exception now, after almost 42 years?

Sounds more like a case of going after abandoned property to me.
There must be a statute of limitations here somewhere...
Patent terms dating from that period run out after 17 years for example.

What's the case law? I sure hope NASA isn't accusing Lovell of pilfering trade
secrets!

And I'm also willing to bet Lovell got the OK from someone in the AO / NASA
bureaucracy way back when before taking it as a souvenir! But I'm just as
willing to bet there is nothing in writing about it either!

And to take exception only after it was sold for $$$? Seriously, did no one
think that this stuff could be of value? What if it had been willed to a
Lovell surviving heir or family trust and then they tried to sell it?

One could say this is just another case of socialism in practice,
Comrade Lovell.

Charlie will probably figure out a way to grandfather the Apollo guys'
souvenirs. The rest of you, probably get to hand it over...

Dave

Some more about this from NPR he

http://www.npr.org/2012/01/09/144923...lo-13-artifact

Apparently this was not the first checklist to go up for sale, and for six
digits either. But perhaps it is the most famous to date.

Dave

On Jan 10, 11:29 am, David Spain wrote:
Some more about this from NPR he

http://www.npr.org/2012/01/09/144923...-sale-of-apoll...

Apparently this was not the first checklist to go up for sale, and for six
digits either. But perhaps it is the most famous to date.
Dave

Well Dave, it was either by signed agreement or generally understood
that designs, notes, utensils etc. that was paid for by the company
to me to make for the business was their property.
Maybe NASA has other agreements with their employees.
Ken