Why Colonize Space?

: "Androcles"
: No wonder you kvetch about snips, given the only way you use them.
: Hypocrite.
:
: Liar.
: **** off, Throop, you snipped deliberately to start a flame war, you useless
: ****.

You came out of the gate flaming, and snipping, in response
to a post which was neither flame, nor snip. Hypocrite.

"Wayne Throop" wrote in message
...
: "Androcles"
: No wonder you kvetch about snips, given the only way you use them.
: Hypocrite.
:
: Liar.
: **** off, Throop, you snipped deliberately to start a flame war, you
useless
: ****.

You came out of the gate flaming, and snipping, in response
to a post which was neither flame, nor snip. Hypocrite.

Liar, it certainly was a snip.
**** off, Throop, you snipped deliberately to start a flame war and you
started the name calling, you useless ****.

: "Androcles"
: You came out of the gate flaming, and snipping, in response
: to a post which was neither flame, nor snip. Hypocrite.
:
: Liar, it certainly was a snip.
: **** off, Throop, you snipped deliberately to start a flame war and you
: started the name calling, you useless ****.

You do realize that anybody can look at the past thread, and see that
in message you were already both
snipping, and calling people "moron", before my first post in the thread,
don't you?


Wayne Throop http://sheol.org/throopw

On Aug 12, 2:45*pm, "Rod Speed" wrote:
gabydewilde wrote:

We are slow learners in that chapter. What we do know is
build build build, grow grow grow, expand, steal, loot etc :-)

No one to steal from in space, stupid.

So? There are resources lying around to be exploited. That's what we
do best - cooperating and living in a steady-state situation are what
we do poorly.

John Savard

On Aug 15, 6:21*pm, Greg Goss wrote:
"Androcles" wrote:

Who needs reasons?

OK, gather together with a band of like-minded people and fund it.
What do you need US for? *If it's not a government doing it, then I
have no objection. *I used to send money to L5 society for example.

You are quite right that stuff that uses your tax dollars ought to
have a reason for it.

Human beings are the only self-replicating entities capable of doing
useful work independently that we have right now. We don't have robots
- or horses - we could send into space to make food for themselves
from comets and habitat for themselves from asteroids.

So if we want a growing army of factories to build solar collectors to
put into the orbit of Mercury, so that we have enough energy to
liquefy Earth's atmosphere to take the methane and carbon dioxide out
(not all at once, of course), to take all the junk and trash out of
the Earth's oceans, and so on and so forth... we don't have a choice.

John Savard

Quadibloc wrote
Rod Speed wrote
gabydewilde wrote

We are slow learners in that chapter. What we do know is
build build build, grow grow grow, expand, steal, loot etc :-)

No one to steal from in space, stupid.

So?

So no matter how good we are at stealing, there is no one to steal from in space, stupid.

There are resources lying around to be exploited.

Not a single one that comes even close to justifying the immense
cost of getting them from space, and even if there are any like that,
it makes a hell of a lot more sense to use robots to do that, not
space colonys which are vastly more expensive than robots again.

That's what we do best

Not in space we dont.

- cooperating and living in a steady-state situation are what we do poorly.

Could have SWORN we have done very poorly at colonising space.

On Aug 15, 7:37*pm, gabydewilde wrote:
On Aug 15, 4:55*am, "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)"



wrote:
wrote:
In sci.physics "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" wrote:
wrote:
In sci.physics Greg Goss wrote:
wrote:

I highly doubt that no matter how much technology one develops one will
be able to beat the Earth based price of nickle in ingots at $5/lb with
space based nickle or anything else.
Of course, we're already mining an asteroid for nickel.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudbury_Basin
Only because there was no transportation cost in getting the asteroid to
the Earth.

* * * *You could use the same method today, but I believe James Nicoll has an
apropos quote regarding lithobraking.

What method is that, wait around until one falls from the sky by itself?

* * * * There's that method, but I think the problem isn't so much in the fall,
it's that sudden stop at the END of the fall.

When the Europians went to the Americas they didn't plan on bringing
the content home with them. This is what you are actually talkin
about?

A bit of rhodium and perhaps a few car sized diamonds.

The rest of the ore will come back machined into interstellaar space
ships.

Or perhaps escape pods..... lets call them escape Ark's to get some
biblical velocity into the topic.

http://er.jsc.nasa.gov/SEH/startlin.gif

hah

Creating unlimited car/truck/bus sized chunks of diamond/carbonado
within the ultra pure vacuum and zero delta-V of our Selene/moon L1 is
technically simple. Therefore, commercial robotic assembled/
formulated units of carbonado/lonsdaleite, such as in the forms of
continuous fibers and milliballoons/microballoons of 490 GPa is a no
brainer, not to mention processing dirt cheap basalt versions of 4.8
GPa.

Therefore, we’d get those better, faster and cheaper “biblical
velocity” spaceships that seem perfectly doable, exactly as my LSE-CM/
ISS is doable.

~ BG

On Sun, 16 Aug 2009 11:58:28 -0700 (PDT), BradGuth
wrote:

On Aug 15, 7:37*pm, gabydewilde wrote:
On Aug 15, 4:55*am, "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)"



wrote:
wrote:
In sci.physics "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" wrote:
wrote:
In sci.physics Greg Goss wrote:
wrote:

I highly doubt that no matter how much technology one develops one will
be able to beat the Earth based price of nickle in ingots at $5/lb with
space based nickle or anything else.
Of course, we're already mining an asteroid for nickel.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudbury_Basin
Only because there was no transportation cost in getting the asteroid to
the Earth.

* * * *You could use the same method today, but I believe James Nicoll has an
apropos quote regarding lithobraking.

What method is that, wait around until one falls from the sky by itself?

* * * * There's that method, but I think the problem isn't so much in the fall,
it's that sudden stop at the END of the fall.

When the Europians went to the Americas they didn't plan on bringing
the content home with them. This is what you are actually talkin
about?

A bit of rhodium and perhaps a few car sized diamonds.

The rest of the ore will come back machined into interstellaar space
ships.

Or perhaps escape pods..... lets call them escape Ark's to get some
biblical velocity into the topic.

http://er.jsc.nasa.gov/SEH/startlin.gif

hah

Creating unlimited car/truck/bus sized chunks of diamond/carbonado
within the ultra pure vacuum and zero delta-V of our Selene/moon L1

The vacuum isn't ultra-pure.

On Aug 14, 1:08*pm, Greg Goss wrote:
wrote:
I highly doubt that no matter how much technology one develops one will
be able to beat the Earth based price of nickle in ingots at $5/lb with
space based nickle or anything else.

Of course, we're already mining an asteroid for nickel.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudbury_Basin

--
Tomorrow is today already.
Greg Goss, 1989-01-27

Here is a link to the asteroid mining skool.

http://sponge.mines.edu/search?q=spa...put=xml_no_dtd



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In article ,
Greg Goss wrote:

And you need to build it ahead of time. I don't think it can be built
after observing an approaching asteroid.

And the ones you don't have much time come from the inner system. The
pass by the Sun changes the orbit in an unpredictable way.