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..New Space-Race to the Moon..History is (Tragically) Repeating Itself
On Oct 27, 7:06 pm, "Jonathan" wrote:
First Bush and his Vision to the moon, then Japan, India and now China all gearing up to go back to the moon. WHY? The same reason for Apollo, we were in a ....military...race with the Soviets. The Cold War. Now....the reason everyone is going back to the moon??? MISSILE DEFENSE. So, I guess after another FIFTY GODDAMMED YEARS we'll end up with nothing more to show than the last FIFTY YEARS IN SPACE. Lots of really cool..very..expensive weapons we'll probably never use. And a bunch of completely useless hardware lying about on the moon. Just like the ISS, the Grand Accomplishment of the last FIFTY YEARS in space. What a ****ing... excuse my lanquage, but it's so incredibly infuriating to think about, no other word will do.... ..what a ****ing waste. We should demand NASA return to the plan it had for the future of space BEFORE BUSH. Space Solar Power... Executive Summary NASA'S SPACE SOLAR POWER EXPLORATORY RESEARCH AND TECHNOLOGY (SERT) PROGRAMhttp://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=10202&page=1 And we should do so...times ten. But then, maybe I'm the only one that thinks we should use NASA to pave the way solutions to global warming and diminishing fossil fuels INSTEAD of paving the way for friggin ...space ships with laser beams attached. I mean, it can't be possible no one else sees the absolute LUNACY of current policy?? Shirly it can't be the Iranians or N Koreans that frighten us so much we need to militarize the moon? Must be China eh? ****ing communists need to go, once and for all. s Where's all of the warm and fuzzy usenet love and affection these days? Since our NASA doesen't give a freaking crapolla; what's wrong with China and India owning our moon, and the moon's L1? - Brad Guth - |
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..New Space-Race to the Moon..History is (Tragically)Repeating Itself
On Mon, Oct 29, 2007 at 04:16:40AM -0000, BradGuth wrote:
On Oct 28, 6:06 pm, Neil Gerace wrote: [going to the moon] 30 years ago, in 1977, the US would have found it utterly impossible :-) That's the whole truth and nothing but the truth. (utterly impossible, even as of today it is not human DNA friendly, nor do we have a viable lander) - Brad Guth - That's not a bad thing, really, in the short term. If they were doing it today, Haliburton would be out there on the surface of the Moon, drilling for oil and natural gas while debate raged over whether or not building a pipeline to Earth would have adverse environmental impact. (How's that?) At least the way were're currently doing it ensures that when we go we'll have much better tools. Some are frustrated at the wait, but contemporary politics in these matters moves slowly. NMF, I wasn't born in the baby-boom era. |
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..New Space-Race to the Moon..History is (Tragically)Repeating Itself
On Tue, Oct 30, 2007 at 03:30:56AM +0000, Brian Thorn wrote:
[snip] It's all a ruse, I tell you! We're not going back to the Moon at all, that's just a smokescreen for... OUR SECRET PRISON ON MARS! We're going to round up all those innocent Muslim jihadists and send them on big LockMart spaceships that will take them to the LockMart-run prison at Olympus Mons. China and India know what we're I have some intel from my usually reliable sources that indicates it will be a mining prison. Prisoners will work in deep 2/3atm pressurized mines using such heavy-industry tools as can be shipped from Urth. The Marines will be running it in concert with Space Command forces. There may be a scientific mission added once the prison is operating. up to, so they're sending their own spy satellites to Mars (you don't really think all this money is being spent just to go BACK to the MOON do you?) to get better intel. Everyone wants better intel... Yes! It's obviously TRUE! What's wrong with all of you that you just can't see THE TRUTH? All your arguments that prisons on Earth are a lot cheaper are just BALONEY! I don't know where you get this stuff. Obviously the prison is meant to run at a profit once it's large initial capital costs are paid off a bit. |
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..New Space-Race to the Moon..History is (Tragically)Repeating Itself
On Tue, Oct 30, 2007 at 07:50:04AM -0600, kT wrote:
Rand Simberg wrote: [the moon and missle defense] No one who is familiar with physics, and sane, thinks that. Actually, now I'm growing kind of fond of Jonathan's idea of raining gigantic lunar boulder's down upon the world's cities. Consider it to be an 'improvement' over the existing cities. Call it 'urban renewal'. This should only be done if the boulders are painted bright yellow with big black smiley-face markings. The launcher should be staffed by professional mimes. |
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..New Space-Race to the Moon..History is (Tragically) Repeating Itself
On Oct 27, 7:06 pm, "Jonathan" wrote:
First Bush and his Vision to the moon, then Japan, India and now China all gearing up to go back to the moon. WHY? The same reason for Apollo, we were in a ....military...race with the Soviets. The Cold War. Now....the reason everyone is going back to the moon??? MISSILE DEFENSE. So, I guess after another FIFTY GODDAMMED YEARS we'll end up with nothing more to show than the last FIFTY YEARS IN SPACE. Lots of really cool..very..expensive weapons we'll probably never use. And a bunch of completely useless hardware lying about on the moon. Just like the ISS, the Grand Accomplishment of the last FIFTY YEARS in space. What a ****ing... excuse my lanquage, but it's so incredibly infuriating to think about, no other word will do.... ..what a ****ing waste. We should demand NASA return to the plan it had for the future of space BEFORE BUSH. Space Solar Power... Executive Summary NASA'S SPACE SOLAR POWER EXPLORATORY RESEARCH AND TECHNOLOGY (SERT) PROGRAMhttp://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=10202&page=1 And we should do so...times ten. But then, maybe I'm the only one that thinks we should use NASA to pave the way solutions to global warming and diminishing fossil fuels INSTEAD of paving the way for friggin ...space ships with laser beams attached. I mean, it can't be possible no one else sees the absolute LUNACY of current policy?? Shirly it can't be the Iranians or N Koreans that frighten us so much we need to militarize the moon? Must be China eh? ****ing communists need to go, once and for all. s The honest to God space race to our moon is nearly a done deal, as a lunar based Chinese take-out franchise is likely to open soon, starting with the moon's L1 and working their way down to that nasty surface with those rad-hard androids leading the way. What part of our NASA/Apollo LLPOF worth of their supposed missions to/ from that highly electrostatic charged, as naked anticathode gamma+X- ray+UV+IR(by day) saturated, and otherwise of such fluffy crystal dry worth of an extremely low surface tension environment, of our somewhat salty and PHYSICALLY DARK moon is still all that believable? Of course China is most likely to takeover the primary control of our moon, as well as of its most valuable L1. (wouldn't you, if you only could?) Here's a couple of little extra astronomy and hard core physics truth worthy kinds of news that we can all use: Comet Holmes Bigger Than The Sun http://groups.google.com/group/alt.a...5fd77608e6cc36 http://www.ifa.hawaii.edu/faculty/jewitt/holmes.html Secondly, the book "Dark Mission" is actually a darn good name for most any lunar kind of mission, and our good old Richard C. Hoagland is clearly one of them pesky insiders that can obviously get away with publishing almost anything, as long as it directly or indirectly supports their NASA/Apollo ongoing ruse/sting of the century. As per the usual Zion Third Reich plan of their global domination actions, it seems these faith-based and thus incest mutated and otherwise borg like folks of our NASA/Apollo disinformation ****ology are right as rain, as we outsider kind of honest village idiots do in fact suffer rather badly from the "specific type of mental disorder" called the WTANBTTD (whole truth and nothing but the truth disorder). In third place is "Japan First Back To The Moon!" / kT http://groups.google.com/group/sci.s...8a85929879b6a0 That's absolutely right, however China is not exactly sitting on their extremely wise old butts, are they. http://www.jaxa.jp/press/2007/11/20071113_kaguya_e.html BTW, notice how extremely dark and otherwise somewhat average coal like 0.11 or actually of a slightly sooty darker kind of soft albedo, that which our extremely dusty old and electrostatic charged moon really is, as having been so clearly JAXA/HVTV imaged within the very same FOV, as well as having been illuminated by the very same raw solar spectrum that's unavoidably skewed by the excess amount of those violet and UV photons. Do we see anything of that naked lunar terrain that's looking the least bit NASA/Apollo 0.65~0.075 albedo worthy, like a certain guano island as xenon arc lamp spectrum illuminated and otherwise physically modified to suit their hocus-pocus landings? (silly question, as I didn't think so) Now try to imagine how much brighter than Earth the little violet color skewed pixel(s) worth of Venus are going to look. Actually the likes of Mars, Jupiter and Saturn should also become part of those future JAXA/KAGUYA(SELENE) obtained images, along with a few of those most bright of background stars unless having been intentionally spectrum filtered out or PhotoShop removed. And to think that there's so much more of the truth to come via JAXA/ KAGUYA(SELENE), as well as from whatever China can uncover is just around the next corner. -- Brad Guth |
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..New Space-Race to the Moon..History is (Tragically) Repeating Itself
"Joe Strout" wrote in message ... In article , "Jonathan" wrote: First Bush and his Vision to the moon, then Japan, India and now China all gearing up to go back to the moon. WHY? The same reason for Apollo, we were in a ....military...race with the Soviets. The Cold War. Now....the reason everyone is going back to the moon??? MISSILE DEFENSE. Is it just me, or is everyone else's kook meter starting to swing harder at Jonathan's postings too? I neglected to link to the article my post was based on. Perhaps the loon you're referring to is the expert from the Naval War College? Or perhaps you folks are unable to comprehend a rather simple statement? The space race to the moon isn't about us, it's about power. It's a military race. Are you folks that ignorant about politics? Or are you just afraid to think for yourself? Which is it? If you disagree with my characterization of our space policy, how so, and why? I mean can't anyone here even put forward a coherent rebuttal? Even a simple-minded one? Simply replying ..."you're full of it" is what children do in the playground. Tell me someone here is above that level. Because I don't see it. China now part of space race BY TIM JOHNSON McClatchy News Service "Fifty years after the first space race pitted the United States against the Soviet Union, the three Asian nations are locked in their own space race of sorts. The competition isn't only about scientific achievement; it's also about regional dominance." ''Technology is being used to convince other countries in the region of who is the regional leader,'' said Joan Johnson-Freese, an expert on China's space program at the Naval War College in Rhode Island" http://www.miamiherald.com/news/world/story/286321.html Let's see, based on the responses to this post so far I expect the next replies to be along the lines of... ....I smell bad, my mommie is stupid, sticks and stones and oh yes, taking their bat and ball and going home. Bunch of children...sheez. As usual, unable to distinquish between meaning and form. s -- "Polywell" fusion -- an approach to nuclear fusion that might actually work. Learn more and discuss via: http://www.strout.net/info/science/polywell/ |
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"Fred J. McCall" wrote in message ... Joe Strout wrote: : :Is it just me, or is everyone else's kook meter starting to swing harder :at Jonathan's postings too? : It's just you. Jonathan pegged most people's loon meters long, long ago... Only because you're mind is unable to grasp the concepts I'm talking about. You do know everything I say is from established courses taught at almost every respectable university in the world. You DO KNOW THAT RIGHT? Because ridiculing science because you can't understand it is generally the domain of the religious and ignorant. Which are you? -- "Ordinarily he is insane. But he has lucid moments when he is only stupid." -- Heinrich Heine |
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"macruzq" wrote in message ps.com... Hey, hey! Calm down! Moon is TOO FAR to launch a missile. It is not practical. Missiles or any weapons installed on the Moon is simply a stupid idea. Who said anything about launching missiles from the moon??? What do our military satellites in orbit do for the most part? Fire weapons, or observe and target etc? Is there anyone that can even read a sentence here? I've long known no one here can put together a proper idea, but I at least thought most here could read. |
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"Matt Wiser" wrote in message ... "Jonathan" wrote: (mindless drivel snipped) Boy, your wacko-meter is pretty high, I'd say. Did you escape out of the same lunatic asylum that the Guthball fled? If so, their security has a lot to be desired. Join the other conspiro-wackos, 9-11 "truthers", cheerleaders for the enemy, and other assorted crazies in my killfile, if you don't mind. PLONK. So you don't think going back to the moon is about missile defense....or military objectives? As that is my point. Being unable to distinguish between form and content is the sign of a weak or lazy mind. You should try reading the news once in a while so you don't continue embarrassing yourself. ''Of course we can sometime in the future decide that some anti-missile defense system should be established somewhere on the moon,'' Putin said. ``But before we reach such arrangements, we will lose the opportunity for fixing some particular arrangements between us.'' No headway in U.S.-Russia missile talks Frosty relations between the United States and Russia continued as a meeting aimed at resolving a missile defense dispute made little progress. Posted on Sat, Oct. 13, 2007 BY NANCY A. YOUSSEF McClatchy News Service MOSCOW -- A much anticipated meeting Friday between Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, Secretary of Defense Robert Gates and top Russian officials made no progress toward resolving the disputes over missile defense and other issues that have sunk relations between the two nations to their lowest level since the end of the Cold War. Instead, the meeting exposed how the high hopes that Russia and America would cooperate on missile defenses, international arms control treaties and counterterrorism have given way to fear that their differences over those issues and others, such as Iran, have recharged the rivalry between the two countries. The day began on a sour note. When asked by reporters whether the talks could lead to a breakthrough, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov replied: ''Breaks definitely, [but] through or down, I don't know.'' Russian President Vladimir Putin then kept Gates and Rice waiting for 40 minutes and mocked some of the U.S. proposals on missile defense as the two looked on, at times appearing to be taken aback. ''Of course we can sometime in the future decide that some anti-missile defense system should be established somewhere on the moon,'' Putin said. ``But before we reach such arrangements, we will lose the opportunity for fixing some particular arrangements between us.'' Gates and Rice tried to reassure the Russians that the U.S. proposal to deploy ballistic missile defenses in the Czech Republic and Poland is intended to protect Europe from a possible Iranian threat, not to counter Russia's nuclear missiles. ''It would have no impact on Russia's strategic deterrent,'' Gates said. In an effort to assuage Russian concerns, he and Rice proposed that observers and a system of ''transparency'' accompany the new missile defenses. But the Russians' problem was geography, not transparency. Lavrov called on the United States to freeze its deployment plans, which he and Russian Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov called ''anti-Russian.'' The Russians also threatened to respond to any deployments, but didn't suggest how they might do so. The United States also proposed adjustments to the Conventional Forces in Europe treaty, which limits key categories of conventional weapons and forces. Lavrov called the latest U.S. proposals nothing new, saying that although they're a step in the right direction, ``this step is insufficient.'' U.S. officials traveling with Rice and Gates rejected suggestions that the meeting was a failure, calling the agreement to discuss these issues again and to consider the U.S. proposals progress. ''I don't think we expected the Russians to agree with these proposals today,'' said a senior administration official, who spoke only on the condition of anonymity. The United States also introduced specifics of a ''Joint Regional Missile Defense Architecture,'' or missile defense cooperation, with their Russian counterparts, who agreed to consider the proposal. If embraced, the plan could take relations between the two countries ''to quite a new level,'' the official said. The Kremlin leader also said that the Cold War-INF treaty, which limits Russian and U.S. short- and medium-range missiles, was outdated because other nations are acquiring those weapons. He said it should be updated. ''If we are unable to make such a goal of making this treaty universal, then it will be difficult for us to keep within the framework of such a treaty, especially when other countries do have such weapons systems,'' Putin said. http://www.miamiherald.com/news/world/story/270162.html |
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"Brian Thorn" wrote in message ... On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 07:23:05 -0500, "Jonathan" wrote: Observe from the moon? Look at the best Earth-based images of the moon. That sort of resolution is useless, militarily, and that resolution comes from huge observatories on Earth far in excess of anything humans will be able to build on the moon in the next 50 years. There is no military rationale for a base on the moon. None. Zip. Nada. No matter how many "Bush is Evil" and "China is about to take over the world" nutjobs try to say there is. You're not keeping up with the news. Our military advertizes it's desire to militarize space as rapidly, and in every way possible. It's not even a close question. You don't know what our military policies are. Just read their own statements. This statement is from just last week..... and is on the front page of their web site. It's not like their keeping is secret for crying out loud. "The sky is no limit'; AFSPC welcomes new leader PETERSON AIR FORCE BASE, Colo. -- "Space capabilities have shaped the American way of warfare in the 21st century, just like airpower did in the 20th," said Gen. C. Robert Kehler as he assumed command of Air Force Space Command in a ceremony here Oct. 24 presided over by Air Force Vice Chief of Staff Gen. Duncan J. McNabb. http://www.afspc.af.mil/ And read on, from their Stategic Statememt for '07. "Americans have come to rely on the unhindered use of space-they will demand no less in the future. To protect the space domain and deliver effects, Air Force Space Command is pursuing investments in an array of capabilities. The United States is committed to supporting the peaceful use of space by all; however, prudence demands we ensure our Nation, Allies and coalition partners have unobstructed access to space capabilities." "We know we will be challenged in the future-both by those who wish to do us harm and by our own resource limitations. It no longer takes a sophisticated adversary to impact space and ground systems..." "We have a duty to secure the entire space domain.not just for our own military.but for our Nation and for the benefit of the free world. To do this, we must focus our efforts on two objectives - improved space situational awareness and enhanced command and control. First, we must achieve true space situational awareness.the ability to not only track and catalog any object, but also to determine its capabilities, purpose and intent. Only when we've obtained a clear picture of the entire space environment will we fully realize our second objective - enhanced command and control over space assets. http://www.afspc.af.mil/shared/media...070412-128.pdf And on and on it goes, the gloves are off since the China asat test that militarizing space is a top priority. Combine statements like that which this new and otherwise useless race back to the moon and it becomes pretty clear what's going on. Everyone is going to the moon because it is relatively cheap and easy to do, and has a quick payoff. What payoff is that? Moon rocks? Why go there? Everyone seems to forget, no one in NASA has yet to make a reasonable argument for going there. Tell me /exactly/ how society will benefit. What is the plan once we get there? A moon base will do what for our economy...exactly? It will help lower costs to orbit how....exactly? It will help with our domestic or foreign policy issues in ...exactly...which way? You can't answer these questions. However, the military is quite excited about moving out into space. When the NASA administrator stated his case, it came down to Faith, that somehow going to the moon will enable...something....great. The same empty promises given for the ISS. And we see how that is turning out, a make-work program designed to do nothing but keep aerospace jobs. At best the vision is another make-work program At worst an incredibly wasteful new cold war-like race. Either way, those are the two worst reasons to go back one can find. There are better uses for our space program. Combine that with Putin's recent statement that missile defense ...is..the reason. Three or four days, and your probe is there. Politicans are happy. Sorry, Jonathan. I have to agree with the crowd here. You've totally lost it. Step away from the computer. Put down the Loony Conspiracy Theory book. Stop drinking the Military Industrial Complex Is Out To Get Us koolaid. Turn off the Art Bell Show. Go outside, walk around the block a few times. Go see a movie. Let your brain filter out all that crap that's in there. :-) Sorry, but this project is Lockheeds show, it's their baby. And Lockheed IS the military industrial complex. Why are such simple facts and reasoning beyond you? Brian |
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