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Old October 16th 07, 04:43 AM posted to sci.space.policy,sci.space.history,sci.space.shuttle,sci.space.station
Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)
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"Dave Michelson" wrote in message
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Jonathan wrote:

For once a big Pentagon 'weapon' system that can be as useful for
society as the military.


It ranks right up there with the Interstate highway system.


You know if only the military needed a way to connect computers in some sort
of network.



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Old October 16th 07, 04:47 AM posted to sci.space.policy,sci.space.history,sci.space.shuttle,sci.space.station
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Greg D. Moore (Strider) wrote:
"Dave Michelson" wrote in message
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Jonathan wrote:
For once a big Pentagon 'weapon' system that can be as useful for
society as the military.

It ranks right up there with the Interstate highway system.


You know if only the military needed a way to connect computers in some sort
of network.


You idiots should count your blessings.

The military wants solar power satellites ... real bad.

Consider yourself lucky that have I pointed out very early on in the
development process, that the laws of physics demand that the rocket
body be incorporated into the solar power satellite design, and thus you
get your beloved space colonization architecture pretty much for free.
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Old October 16th 07, 08:18 AM posted to sci.space.policy,sci.space.history,sci.space.shuttle,sci.space.station
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Dave Michelson wrote:
Jonathan wrote:

For once a big Pentagon 'weapon' system that can be as useful for
society as the military.


It ranks right up there with the Interstate highway system.


What their idea of: "If you build these things, we'll buy power from
you" reminds me of is: "If you stick a giant cargo bay on it and give it
delta wings, we'll launch our satellites on it."
Any company in their right mind is going to say to them is: "We'll build
it provided you pay for it, and it's all yours once it's done.
Otherwise, go to hell."

Pat

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Old October 16th 07, 01:06 PM posted to sci.space.policy,sci.space.history,sci.space.shuttle,sci.space.station
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On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 23:43:47 -0400, in a place far, far away, "Greg D.
Moore \(Strider\)" made the phosphor
on my monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that:

"Dave Michelson" wrote in message
news:MkWQi.69155$th2.26629@pd7urf3no...
Jonathan wrote:

For once a big Pentagon 'weapon' system that can be as useful for
society as the military.


It ranks right up there with the Interstate highway system.


You know if only the military needed a way to connect computers in some sort
of network.


Or a means of knowing precisely where they were, anytime, anywhere.
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Old October 16th 07, 01:24 PM posted to sci.space.policy,sci.space.history,sci.space.shuttle,sci.space.station
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Pat Flannery wrote:


Dave Michelson wrote:
Jonathan wrote:

For once a big Pentagon 'weapon' system that can be as useful for
society as the military.


It ranks right up there with the Interstate highway system.


What their idea of: "If you build these things, we'll buy power from
you" reminds me of is: "If you stick a giant cargo bay on it and give it
delta wings, we'll launch our satellites on it."
Any company in their right mind is going to say to them is: "We'll build
it provided you pay for it, and it's all yours once it's done.
Otherwise, go to hell."


All successful companies tell their potential customers to go to hell.

It's just common sales sense.
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Old October 17th 07, 12:27 AM posted to sci.space.policy,sci.space.history,sci.space.shuttle,sci.space.station
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On Oct 16, 11:36 am, Dave Michelson wrote:
Jonathan wrote:

For once a big Pentagon 'weapon' system that can be as useful for
society as the military.


It ranks right up there with the Interstate highway system.


And aviation - except cross out Pentagon and substitute 'British
Empire'.

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Old October 20th 07, 04:47 PM posted to sci.space.policy,sci.space.history,sci.space.shuttle,sci.space.station
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"Dave Michelson" wrote in message
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Jonathan wrote:

For once a big Pentagon 'weapon' system that can be as useful for
society as the military.


It ranks right up there with the Interstate highway system.



The interstate highway system was started by President
Eisenhower after he saw how the German military used
their autobaun



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Old October 20th 07, 04:58 PM posted to sci.space.policy,sci.space.history,sci.space.shuttle,sci.space.station
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"Greg D. Moore (Strider)" wrote in message
...
"Dave Michelson" wrote in message
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Jonathan wrote:

For once a big Pentagon 'weapon' system that can be as useful for
society as the military.


It ranks right up there with the Interstate highway system.


You know if only the military needed a way to connect computers in some

sort
of network.



If only our national security depended on building space
infrastruture like low cost to orbit, power plugs in space
and space ports etc....winning the military space-race.

Oh, that's right, our security does depend on winning
that race. Our future economy and global environment
also depend on it.

Having a product that could be useful to just about
anyone is a salesman's wet-dream. We need to
stop worrying about how hard and long term SSP
would be, and focus on the pitch.

It's getting the commitment to start the project
that matters. The rest will take care of itself.






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Old October 22nd 07, 07:12 PM posted to sci.space.policy,sci.space.history,sci.space.shuttle,sci.space.station
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On Oct 14, 12:22 pm, Brian Thorn wrote:
On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 15:23:12 -0400, "Jonathan"
wrote:

Don't worry, the US military is working at a feverish pace to
militarize space. Someday hunting space rocks will be just
another part of Air Force basic training~


Last I checked, it was the Chinese that recklessly blew up a satellite
with an ASAT weapon and put hundreds of other satellites in danger
from the debris...


But of course, its all the U.S.'s fault...


It may sound like I'm against what the military is
doing in space, quite the opposite. It's just that
everyone seems in denial they're doing it.


What's this "feverish pace" you speak of? What exactly is the U.S.
military doing now that they weren't doing 40 years ago? Hell, back


You're right, protecting access to oil IS the number #1 goal of the
military as it was 40 years ago. It seems there is too much money tied
up into the status quo WRT energy to ever see a change to a new form.

In short, who has time for space when all your assests are protecting
access to fossil fuel?

then they were making "feverish plans" for Dyna-Soar, Blue Gemini and
MOL that all came to nothing. Then they got onboard Shuttle and had
"feverish plans" to refuel spy satellites and inspect enemy satellites
that all came to nothing. Then they had "Star Wars" and pipedreams of
giant laser battle satellites that came to nothing. Now it has two
mediocre EELVs that are costing them a fortune with no obvious
improvement over their predecessors, to launch the same ol' spy
satellites they've been launching since the '70s. This is "feverish"?


You seem disappointed that we haven't conquered space with fictious
enemies and the like. What ever happened to Eisenhower's vision of a
non military use of space?




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Old October 22nd 07, 07:18 PM posted to sci.space.policy,sci.space.history,sci.space.shuttle,sci.space.station
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On Oct 15, 11:43 pm, "Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)"
wrote:
"Dave Michelson" wrote in message

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Jonathan wrote:


For once a big Pentagon 'weapon' system that can be as useful for
society as the military.


It ranks right up there with the Interstate highway system.


You know if only the military needed a way to connect computers in some sort
of network.


Al Gore already invented that, though that is why he got the Nobel
Peace Prize.




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