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A contemporary look at the Equation of Time
Every single heliocentric astronomical insight depends on the ability
to isolate axial rotation from orbital motion,the original insight of Copernicus in isolating the orbital motion of the Earth against the common heliocentric motion of the other planets is based on demolishing the notion that the Sun moves around the Earth as a daily occurence. http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ima...2000_tezel.gif As the main interest of the late 17th and 18th centuries in celestial observation was the determination of terrestial longitudes through celestial means,the proponents of the celestial sphere method returned to a geocentric position on the motion of the Sun and rendered the Equation of Time principles based on axial tilt - http://www.bodley.ox.ac.uk/cgi-bin/i...x.x.54 .x.338 The childish analemma emerged from such poor astronomical rendering of the Equation of Time ,based on the hemisphericaly plotted position of the Sun against the Equator using an equable 24 hour clock,the entire astronomical significance of the original Equation of Time correction became lost,even the two step process which links the pre-Copernican equable 24 hour day to its heliocentric adaption. This is a terrible wrong on all counts,historically,technically and more importantly it infects the ability to intellectually and intuitively work with productive astronomical principles for such things as climatology and geology. Being incorrect by 3 minutes 56 seconds Each Day for the value for axial rotation must be the biggest festering sore ever,it is so important to restore the correct value in order to appreciate heliocentricity or orbital motion in isolation as it is for restoring axial rotation in isolation for pragmatic purposes such as Earth sciences. |
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A contemporary look at the Equation of Time
ieeh, ieeh... whoo poop, whoo poop... yada, yada, yada... rrrrr
RUFF! rrrrr RUFF! "oriel36" wrote in message ups.com... Every single heliocentric astronomical insight depends on the ability to isolate axial rotation from orbital motion,the original insight of Copernicus in isolating the orbital motion of the Earth against the common heliocentric motion of the other planets is based on demolishing the notion that the Sun moves around the Earth as a daily occurence. http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ima...2000_tezel.gif As the main interest of the late 17th and 18th centuries in celestial observation was the determination of terrestial longitudes through celestial means,the proponents of the celestial sphere method returned to a geocentric position on the motion of the Sun and rendered the Equation of Time principles based on axial tilt - http://www.bodley.ox.ac.uk/cgi-bin/i...x.x.54 .x.338 The childish analemma emerged from such poor astronomical rendering of the Equation of Time ,based on the hemisphericaly plotted position of the Sun against the Equator using an equable 24 hour clock,the entire astronomical significance of the original Equation of Time correction became lost,even the two step process which links the pre-Copernican equable 24 hour day to its heliocentric adaption. This is a terrible wrong on all counts,historically,technically and more importantly it infects the ability to intellectually and intuitively work with productive astronomical principles for such things as climatology and geology. Being incorrect by 3 minutes 56 seconds Each Day for the value for axial rotation must be the biggest festering sore ever,it is so important to restore the correct value in order to appreciate heliocentricity or orbital motion in isolation as it is for restoring axial rotation in isolation for pragmatic purposes such as Earth sciences. |
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A contemporary look at the Equation of Time
The Equation of Time is the key principle which sets the standard pace
against which all motions can be compared.In its pre-Copernican form it represents the difference between natural noon and 24 hour clock noon while its heliocentric adaption it keeps the pace of a 24 hour day in sync with axial rotation at 15 degrees per hour. One of the most beautiful and easy to understand accomplishements which credit both the pre-Copernican and heliocentric astronomers and you lot opt for introducing celestial sphere geometry as a reference thus destroying the ability to appreciate the goegeous and pragmatic system,including the calendrical extension, for a dumb cartoon version reflecting the level of your astronomical knowledge. Even a child could tell you that your astronomical justification for axial and orbital motions generates some many ugly spectacles - http://astrosun2.astro.cornell.edu/a...dereal_day.gif Is their some sort of perverse satisfaction in upholding a counter-productive working principle for axial and orbital motion ?,if past generations chose to be slavish idiots for counter-productive concepts,nobody can afford to be now with a really accurate version of axial and orbital motions needed for climatological studies. Otherside wrote: ieeh, ieeh... whoo poop, whoo poop... yada, yada, yada... rrrrr RUFF! rrrrr RUFF! "oriel36" wrote in message ups.com... Every single heliocentric astronomical insight depends on the ability to isolate axial rotation from orbital motion,the original insight of Copernicus in isolating the orbital motion of the Earth against the common heliocentric motion of the other planets is based on demolishing the notion that the Sun moves around the Earth as a daily occurence. http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ima...2000_tezel.gif As the main interest of the late 17th and 18th centuries in celestial observation was the determination of terrestial longitudes through celestial means,the proponents of the celestial sphere method returned to a geocentric position on the motion of the Sun and rendered the Equation of Time principles based on axial tilt - http://www.bodley.ox.ac.uk/cgi-bin/i...x.x.54 .x.338 The childish analemma emerged from such poor astronomical rendering of the Equation of Time ,based on the hemisphericaly plotted position of the Sun against the Equator using an equable 24 hour clock,the entire astronomical significance of the original Equation of Time correction became lost,even the two step process which links the pre-Copernican equable 24 hour day to its heliocentric adaption. This is a terrible wrong on all counts,historically,technically and more importantly it infects the ability to intellectually and intuitively work with productive astronomical principles for such things as climatology and geology. Being incorrect by 3 minutes 56 seconds Each Day for the value for axial rotation must be the biggest festering sore ever,it is so important to restore the correct value in order to appreciate heliocentricity or orbital motion in isolation as it is for restoring axial rotation in isolation for pragmatic purposes such as Earth sciences. |
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A contemporary look at the Equation of Time
Well... I tried communicating with you on your level. Why do you persist
with this orbital fixation? Don't you know the Earth is flat and goes around the Sun like a big, blue Frisbie propagating through the Ether? la da, dee da, dee dum.... "oriel36" wrote in message ups.com... The Equation of Time is the key principle which sets the standard pace against which all motions can be compared.In its pre-Copernican form it represents the difference between natural noon and 24 hour clock noon while its heliocentric adaption it keeps the pace of a 24 hour day in sync with axial rotation at 15 degrees per hour. One of the most beautiful and easy to understand accomplishements which credit both the pre-Copernican and heliocentric astronomers and you lot opt for introducing celestial sphere geometry as a reference thus destroying the ability to appreciate the goegeous and pragmatic system,including the calendrical extension, for a dumb cartoon version reflecting the level of your astronomical knowledge. Even a child could tell you that your astronomical justification for axial and orbital motions generates some many ugly spectacles - http://astrosun2.astro.cornell.edu/a...dereal_day.gif Is their some sort of perverse satisfaction in upholding a counter-productive working principle for axial and orbital motion ?,if past generations chose to be slavish idiots for counter-productive concepts,nobody can afford to be now with a really accurate version of axial and orbital motions needed for climatological studies. Otherside wrote: ieeh, ieeh... whoo poop, whoo poop... yada, yada, yada... rrrrr RUFF! rrrrr RUFF! "oriel36" wrote in message ups.com... Every single heliocentric astronomical insight depends on the ability to isolate axial rotation from orbital motion,the original insight of Copernicus in isolating the orbital motion of the Earth against the common heliocentric motion of the other planets is based on demolishing the notion that the Sun moves around the Earth as a daily occurence. http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ima...2000_tezel.gif As the main interest of the late 17th and 18th centuries in celestial observation was the determination of terrestial longitudes through celestial means,the proponents of the celestial sphere method returned to a geocentric position on the motion of the Sun and rendered the Equation of Time principles based on axial tilt - http://www.bodley.ox.ac.uk/cgi-bin/i...x.x.54 .x.338 The childish analemma emerged from such poor astronomical rendering of the Equation of Time ,based on the hemisphericaly plotted position of the Sun against the Equator using an equable 24 hour clock,the entire astronomical significance of the original Equation of Time correction became lost,even the two step process which links the pre-Copernican equable 24 hour day to its heliocentric adaption. This is a terrible wrong on all counts,historically,technically and more importantly it infects the ability to intellectually and intuitively work with productive astronomical principles for such things as climatology and geology. Being incorrect by 3 minutes 56 seconds Each Day for the value for axial rotation must be the biggest festering sore ever,it is so important to restore the correct value in order to appreciate heliocentricity or orbital motion in isolation as it is for restoring axial rotation in isolation for pragmatic purposes such as Earth sciences. |
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A contemporary look at the Equation of Time
I cannot say I regret presenting the original words of Copernicus and
Kepler in this forum only to see them cast aside for celestial sphere observing however there comes a time when any benefit is bound to diminish the effectiveness of there methods and insights.Even for these great men,the intricate and majestic combinations of axial and orbital motions and orientations can be difficult to handle but Kepler's statement that physical considerations alone can bring an erroneous muattion back into line. The Newtonian mutation is easily corrected and especially through Kepler's words and his Panis Quadregesimalis representation ( Page 86) http://mitpress.mit.edu/journals/pdf/POSC_13_1_74_0.pdf Orbital comparisons between Mars and Earth which that representation represents were icorrectly identified as observations of Mars as seen from a stationary Earth hence the destructive Newtonian mutation- "For to the earth planetary motions appear sometimes direct, sometimes stationary, nay, and sometimes retrograde. But from the sun they are always seen direct," NEWTON Kepler's words demolish this statement but lacking the intuitive intelligence to know the difference will make little difference to celestial sphere observers and this is why I am finding it more and more difficult to present the words of these great men and their works into this particular arena - "Copernicus, by attributing a single annual motion to the earth, entirely rids the planets of these extremely intricate coils [spiris], leading the individual planets into their respective orbits [orbitas],quite bare and very nearly circular. In the period of time shown in the diagram, Mars traverses one and the same orbit as many times as the 'garlands' [corollas] you see looped towards thecentre,with one extra, making nine times, while at the same time the Earth repeats its circle sixteen times " Astronomia Nova 1609 KEPLER The Equation of Time represents the rate of change of orbital orientation against the axial rotation of the Earth,it is something that is vital to grasp for climatological purposes and the temperature signatures which reflect variations in the Earth's orbital speed and orientation changes.It is a natural extension of the Keplerian refinement directed towards terrestial concerns and this is the most productive route for astronomy and astronomers who recognise that it is a noble discipline that does not implictly involve telescopes. Considering the vandalism wrought on astronomy,the king of natural investigative studies, and on the works of many great men,I have little to complain about.The intensity of the great works of astronomy lead to a simplicity rather than the elaborate and exotic schemes that try to pass themselves off under the astronomical umbrella.The great cycles whichj make existence possible are cherished to those who approach them with sincerity and those who live with a human devised celestial sphere will never find that peace of heart and mind that emerges from a more sincere approach.There is indeed much to do but parading the works of Copernicus and Kepler before celestial sphere observers may have been entirely wrong on my part even if the intentions were sincere. Good luck to you and your Ra/Dec system .. Otherside wrote: Well... I tried communicating with you on your level. Why do you persist with this orbital fixation? Don't you know the Earth is flat and goes around the Sun like a big, blue Frisbie propagating through the Ether? la da, dee da, dee dum.... "oriel36" wrote in message ups.com... The Equation of Time is the key principle which sets the standard pace against which all motions can be compared.In its pre-Copernican form it represents the difference between natural noon and 24 hour clock noon while its heliocentric adaption it keeps the pace of a 24 hour day in sync with axial rotation at 15 degrees per hour. One of the most beautiful and easy to understand accomplishements which credit both the pre-Copernican and heliocentric astronomers and you lot opt for introducing celestial sphere geometry as a reference thus destroying the ability to appreciate the goegeous and pragmatic system,including the calendrical extension, for a dumb cartoon version reflecting the level of your astronomical knowledge. Even a child could tell you that your astronomical justification for axial and orbital motions generates some many ugly spectacles - http://astrosun2.astro.cornell.edu/a...dereal_day.gif Is their some sort of perverse satisfaction in upholding a counter-productive working principle for axial and orbital motion ?,if past generations chose to be slavish idiots for counter-productive concepts,nobody can afford to be now with a really accurate version of axial and orbital motions needed for climatological studies. Otherside wrote: ieeh, ieeh... whoo poop, whoo poop... yada, yada, yada... rrrrr RUFF! rrrrr RUFF! "oriel36" wrote in message ups.com... Every single heliocentric astronomical insight depends on the ability to isolate axial rotation from orbital motion,the original insight of Copernicus in isolating the orbital motion of the Earth against the common heliocentric motion of the other planets is based on demolishing the notion that the Sun moves around the Earth as a daily occurence. http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ima...2000_tezel.gif As the main interest of the late 17th and 18th centuries in celestial observation was the determination of terrestial longitudes through celestial means,the proponents of the celestial sphere method returned to a geocentric position on the motion of the Sun and rendered the Equation of Time principles based on axial tilt - http://www.bodley.ox.ac.uk/cgi-bin/i...x.x.54 .x.338 The childish analemma emerged from such poor astronomical rendering of the Equation of Time ,based on the hemisphericaly plotted position of the Sun against the Equator using an equable 24 hour clock,the entire astronomical significance of the original Equation of Time correction became lost,even the two step process which links the pre-Copernican equable 24 hour day to its heliocentric adaption. This is a terrible wrong on all counts,historically,technically and more importantly it infects the ability to intellectually and intuitively work with productive astronomical principles for such things as climatology and geology. Being incorrect by 3 minutes 56 seconds Each Day for the value for axial rotation must be the biggest festering sore ever,it is so important to restore the correct value in order to appreciate heliocentricity or orbital motion in isolation as it is for restoring axial rotation in isolation for pragmatic purposes such as Earth sciences. |
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