A Big Bang conundrum

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In Fo

Originally Posted by In Fo

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In Fo

Thanks for the link. The scientific rendering of the milky way image. If it represents anywhere close to the actual layout of the milky way galaxy, then it suggests for one point growth “from inside out”, instead of the growth by cumulative action. Therefore, more support for the recycling universe.

Jaakko Kurhi

Dear JAAKKO KURHI:

On Thursday, May 2, 2013 6:12:56 PM UTC-7, JAAKKO KURHI wrote:
In Fo;1245624 Wrote:

http://community-2.webtv.net/hotmail...BangDisproven/
In Fo

Thanks for the link. The scientific rendering of
the milky way image. If it represents anywhere
close to the actual layout of the milky way
galaxy,

It doesn't.

then it suggests for one point growth “from inside
out”, instead of the growth by cumulative action.

No, the Milky Way is an agglomerate galaxy, based on all the globular clusters orbiting. In 4 billion, we will probably be part of Andromeda...

Therefore, more support for the recycling universe.

"Artistic effort is support". Great.


You don't get it. Instead of looking for something you can misunderstand as support, you are supposed to be looking at the holes your theory does not cover.

David A. Smith

Originally Posted by dlzc

Dear JAAKKO KURHI:

On Thursday, May 2, 2013 6:12:56 PM UTC-7, JAAKKO KURHI wrote:
In Fo;1245624 Wrote:

http://community-2.webtv.net/hotmail...BangDisproven/
In Fo

Thanks for the link. The scientific rendering of
the milky way image. If it represents anywhere
close to the actual layout of the milky way
galaxy,

It doesn't.

then it suggests for one point growth “from inside
out”, instead of the growth by cumulative action.

No, the Milky Way is an agglomerate galaxy, based on all the globular clusters orbiting. In 4 billion, we will probably be part of Andromeda...

Therefore, more support for the recycling universe.

"Artistic effort is support". Great.


You don't get it. Instead of looking for something you can misunderstand as support, you are supposed to be looking at the holes your theory does not cover.

David A. Smith

No, the Milky Way is an agglomerate galaxy, based on all the globular clusters orbiting. In 4 billion, we will probably be part of Andromeda...
Milky Way and Andromeda are merging, how can this happen in the environment where all objects are moving away from each other?

"Artistic effort is support". Great.
The art form is used for ages to illustrate objects that are only partially observable. In the case of the BB, the visual art is applied extensively to illustrate how the theory may work. In the case of the Milky Way, the quality of the visual art is based on mapping intensity, so far, there are enough stars located to confirm that it’s a spiral galaxy and to illustrate the approximate distribution of its matter. So, are you implying that the art form is not applicable in the process of learning secrets of the universe?

“You don't get it. Instead of looking for something you can misunderstand as support, you are supposed to be looking at the holes your theory does not cover”.
You still resort to the small talk, instead of pointing to “holes” and topics that are debatable. For example, besides the laws of the thermodynamics and E=mc squared, – which I think are not applicable in this case – how would you conclude that in the system of an elementary sub atomic particle, the mass is using energy for bonding, yet remain in the state of equilibrium?

Jaakko Kurhi

On 07/05/2013 4:34 AM, JAAKKO KURHI wrote:
Milky Way and Andromeda are merging, how can this happen in the
environment where all objects are moving away from each other?

Because certain galaxies are close enough together that their
gravitational attraction speed is higher than the universal expansion
speed between them.

Yousuf Khan

On May 8, 12:14*pm, Yousuf Khan wrote:
On 07/05/2013 4:34 AM, JAAKKO KURHI wrote:

Milky Way and Andromeda are merging, how can this happen in the
environment where all objects are moving away from each other?

Because certain galaxies are close enough together that their
gravitational attraction speed is higher than the universal expansion
speed between them.

* * * * Yousuf Khan

The idea that a human being can see the evolutionary timeline of the
Universe directly is either incredibly frightening or totally childish
and the way this conclusion was arrived at would be laughable were
these salaried academics dead serious.

Evolutionary sciences are a great puzzle that should provide endless
fascination for the way they emerged on the scene through Steno's
insight on strata layering and William's Smith's fossil record within
that layering where a timeline of the past and evolution in
geological,biological and sometimes climatological terms is written in
the layers.

This 'big bang' is quite a depravity and that it is packaged to appeal
to a general audience as almost a certainty may be the most
astonishing things about it as though it was the most normal
thing.Personally I treasure what the past was,what the future will be
and my present efforts to recover astronomy and interpretative
sciences where presently there is none.

Originally Posted by Yousuf Khan[_2_]

On 07/05/2013 4:34 AM, JAAKKO KURHI wrote:
Milky Way and Andromeda are merging, how can this happen in the
environment where all objects are moving away from each other?

Because certain galaxies are close enough together that their
gravitational attraction speed is higher than the universal expansion
speed between them.

Yousuf Khan

Galaxies collide, "Because certain galaxies are close enough together that their gravitational attraction speed is higher than the universal expansion speed between them."

Astronomers are observing ongoing events of colliding galaxies and your described scenario, is workable in the environment of the recycling universe. However, it’s difficult to explain how it can happen in the concept of the BB universe.
For example, gravity is the weakest among forces at work in an expanding universe, and would have to overcome the extremely high kinetic energy of a fast-fast moving galaxy to make it change its course. That’s logically impossible and can’t be explained by any theoretical idea. In addition, within the expanding universe -- where all matter was once confined in the relatively small globe during the Big Bang’s early stages -- all clumping, accumulation and merging of galaxies would be more likely when the matter was closer together and within the influence of gravitational attraction. To say it didn’t happen then, but rather billions of years later when the matter is more dispersed makes no sense.

Jaakko Kurhi

On 13/05/2013 6:53 PM, JAAKKO KURHI wrote:
Galaxies collide, "Because certain galaxies are close enough together
that their gravitational attraction speed is higher than the universal
expansion speed between them."

Astronomers are observing ongoing events of colliding galaxies and your
described scenario, is workable in the environment of the recycling
universe. However, it’s difficult to explain how it can happen in the
concept of the BB universe.

Please show us your calculations as to why you think that is the case!

For example, gravity is the weakest among forces at work in an expanding
universe, and would have to overcome the extremely high kinetic energy
of a fast-fast moving galaxy to make it change its course. That’s
logically impossible and can’t be explained by any theoretical idea. In
addition, within the expanding universe -- where all matter was once
confined in the relatively small globe during the Big Bang’s early
stages -- all clumping, accumulation and merging of galaxies would be
more likely when the matter was closer together and within the
influence of gravitational attraction. To say it didn’t happen then, but
rather billions of years later when the matter is more dispersed makes
no sense.

Gravity is not as weak as you think, at least not when it comes to
something as massive as stars or galaxies. The only reason galaxies come
together is because of their gravity, and all of their kinetic energy is
derived from their gravity. The stars inside the galaxy move because of
their gravity. The galaxies move towards each other because of their
gravity as well.

Yousuf Khan

Originally Posted by Yousuf Khan[_2_]

On 13/05/2013 6:53 PM, JAAKKO KURHI wrote:
Galaxies collide, "Because certain galaxies are close enough together
that their gravitational attraction speed is higher than the universal
expansion speed between them."

Astronomers are observing ongoing events of colliding galaxies and your
described scenario, is workable in the environment of the recycling
universe. However, it’s difficult to explain how it can happen in the
concept of the BB universe.

Please show us your calculations as to why you think that is the case!

For example, gravity is the weakest among forces at work in an expanding
universe, and would have to overcome the extremely high kinetic energy
of a fast-fast moving galaxy to make it change its course. That’s
logically impossible and can’t be explained by any theoretical idea. In
addition, within the expanding universe -- where all matter was once
confined in the relatively small globe during the Big Bang’s early
stages -- all clumping, accumulation and merging of galaxies would be
more likely when the matter was closer together and within the
influence of gravitational attraction. To say it didn’t happen then, but
rather billions of years later when the matter is more dispersed makes
no sense.

Gravity is not as weak as you think, at least not when it comes to
something as massive as stars or galaxies. The only reason galaxies come
together is because of their gravity, and all of their kinetic energy is
derived from their gravity. The stars inside the galaxy move because of
their gravity. The galaxies move towards each other because of their
gravity as well.

Yousuf Khan

If the combined force of gravity of the independent galaxy system is so strong that it can influence the behavior of the another galaxy system. Then, why the milky-way is not collapsing by its one gravity. Our solar system works and stays together because of the gravity of the sun, and the kinetic energy of each orbiting object is in balance. So, how can the combined gravity of the milky-way change the course of another speeding galaxy that is in the course of moving away. Logically thinking, the colliding galaxies are independent systems and just happens to be moving in the colliding paths. Hence, the event is no problematic in the environment of recycling universe.
Jaakko Kurhi

Dear JAAKKO KURHI:

On Monday, May 20, 2013 8:07:51 PM UTC-7, JAAKKO KURHI wrote:
....
If the combined force of gravity of the independent
galaxy system is so strong that it can influence the
behavior of the another galaxy system. Then, why the
milky-way is not collapsing by its [own] gravity. Our
solar system works and stays together because of the
gravity of the sun, and the kinetic energy of each
orbiting object is in balance. So, how can the
combined gravity of the milky-way change the course
of another speeding galaxy that is in the course of
moving away. Logically thinking, the colliding
galaxies are independent systems and just happens to
be moving in the colliding paths. Hence, the event is
no problematic in the environment of recycling
universe.

Actually, such behavior kills recycling Universe, since said galaxies proceed on forever, never getting turned all the way back.

David A. Smith