Brad Guth ignores real science in promoting nocturnal life on Venus

It's been hard to tell whom is whom, as the "spin" and "damage
control" Borgs go into action, they seem to only occupy that forth
dimension that we've been hearing about, as their email is phony and
they can't otherwise be contacted or pointed out, even if they were
the one any only Borg standing in the center of a ballfield.

Besides the fact that so many testy opponents are intentionally
tossing flak (I'm assuming their not all idiots, just functioning as
loyal Borgs of their NASA/NSA/DoD collective), they're continually
ignoring some very fundamental laws of physics, laws pertaining to
*pressure* that shifts the vapor point of just about everything
(including blood) and otherwise greatly reduces dependency upon O2.

In spite of all that warm and fuzzy flak I'm taking, here is something
more of interest, for those actually intent upon reaching for the
Venus surface may be in for yet another surprise. This knowledge could
even improve upon our chances of making it on other planets that are
not quite like Earth.

I've located something of further interest for the task of converting
relatively small amounts of H2O into some rather enormous H2, like a
ratio of 25,000:1

As a result, the issues of obtaining H2 from heat and of a little
energy are further improved for our focusing upon various "can do"
considerations for planets such as Venus, having shifted the balance
in favor of life far more than I'd anticipated. The following most
recent page offers those links and of a tad bit more on the
opportunities that are at hand.
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/can-do.htm

David Grinspoon seems to be another tough nut to crack, although at
least he's not being the absolute Borg of the pro-NASA collective, by
his suggesting things about Venus that are of somewhat more recent
history and, even though he's not willing to admit, his research and
subsequent publications are more favorable toward the possibility of
other life than not. Even Andrew Yee has offered numerous commentaries
of how life finds a way of surviving, even if that's in spite of our
misconceptions, or arrogance as I like to refer to it.

Essentially there is significant other life on Venus, or at least
there was such life as of 14+ years ago. Worst case scenario is that
we're seeing the remains of what used to be, though why leave town
simply because it's getting somewhat toasty hot, when you've got
seasons worth of cooler nighttime as well as unlimited energy in just
the atmospheric pressure differential alone, especially when that
differential is comprised of such terrifically dense CO2 that's
keeping the planets' mega tonnes of H2O aloft, as in buoyant in them
there relatively cool nighttime clouds.

BTW; thanks for keeping this topic open.

Regards, Brad Guth / IEIS 1-253-8576061 http://guthvenus.tripod.com
alternate URL: http://www.geocities.com/bradguth

Here's something other than merely hot rocks to speak of;

Besides the fact that so many testy opponents are intentionally
tossing flak at my discovery and subsequent research (I'm assuming
their not all idiots, just functioning as loyal Borgs on behalf of
their NASA/NSA/DoD collective), they're continually ignoring some very
fundamental laws of physics, laws pertaining to *pressure* that shifts
the vapor point of just about everything (including blood) and
otherwise greatly reduces dependency upon O2.

In spite of all that warm and fuzzy flak I'm taking, here is something
more of interest, for those actually intent upon reaching for the
Venus surface may be in for yet another surprise. This knowledge could
even improve upon our chances of making it on other planets that are
not quite like Earth.

I've located something of further interest for the task of converting
relatively small amounts of H2O into some rather enormous H2, like a
ratio of 25,000:1

As a result, the issues of obtaining H2 from heat and of a little
energy are further improved for our focusing upon various "can do"
considerations for planets such as Venus, having shifted the balance
in favor of life far more than I'd anticipated. The following most
recent page offers those links and of a tad bit more on the
opportunities that are at hand.
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/can-do.htm

David Grinspoon seems to be another tough nut to crack, although at
least he's not being the absolute Borg of the pro-NASA collective, by
his suggesting things about Venus that are of somewhat more recent
history and, even though he's not willing to admit, his research and
subsequent publications are more favorable toward the possibility of
other life than not. Even Andrew Yee has offered numerous commentaries
of how life finds a way of surviving, even if that's in spite of our
misconceptions, or arrogance as I like to refer to it.

Essentially there is significant other life on Venus, or at least
there was such life as of 14+ years ago. Worst case scenario is that
we're seeing the remains of what used to be, though why leave town
simply because it's getting somewhat toasty hot, when you've got
seasons worth of cooler nighttime as well as unlimited energy in just
the atmospheric pressure differential alone, especially when that
differential is comprised of such terrifically dense CO2 that's
keeping the planets' mega tonnes of H2O aloft, as in buoyant in them
there relatively cool nighttime clouds.

BTW; thanks for keeping this topic open.

Regards, Brad Guth / IEIS 1-253-8576061 http://guthvenus.tripod.com
alternate URL: http://www.geocities.com/bradguth
is collected and the limitations and benefits, but it's just fine.
I have no problem with working off SAR data, .

What I have a problem with is anyone 'seeing meaning' in fewer
pixels of data than it is possible to actually discern anything
useful. What I have a problem with is anyone interpreting any
apparently straight line as obvious evidence of artificial origin.

I strongly suspect you have no proper university or professional
education in image interpretation or SAR, and that you have never
worked in a government, commercial, or university group working
on SAR or overhead imagery data. Or observational geology.
I strongly suspect this because you don't apparently know
how to do the very basic lowest level interpretation tasks
and grading the quality of your own data.

So, show us your work history. Show us your educational history.
Demonstrate that you have any sort of proper professional
background to justify the claims you are making that you
are qualified to interpret those images.


-george william herbert

There's more to Venus than you or I can shake a flaming stick at;

Since we still can't hardly manage to keeping those billion dollar V22
Ospreys in the air, so, in letting such pathetic bygones be bygones,
if you happen to know of anyone that can offer anything that's useful
on the hot prospect of "interplanetary communications" or perhaps on
the "banking of Bone Marrow" topic, or how about otherwise you tell me
or find someone that can stipulate on exactly how we ever pulled off
those late 60s "fly-by-wire" Apollo events, as for regarding those
Apollo special affects that are oddly still undocumented, as there's
not even a validated test flight support file in existence for the
1/6th gravity scaled prototype (pilotted) version that was ever once
accomplished, only good crash results were obtained, where I'm certain
it failed the 5 mph bumper test big time. I still can't even seem to
locate nor identify the X/Y gyro stabilizing mass that would have been
essential for such a high center of gravity craft.

Just for your entertainment, I've offered some page updates and new
insights into this nasty little cloak and dagger ring of fire. Onto
some other topics of interest to those wondering exactly what the hell
our supposedly trustworthy NASA has been up to and/or avoiding for the
past decade or so.
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/moon-sar.htm
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-learned.htm
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/boeing-trw.htm
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/space-radiation.htm
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/significant-life.htm
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/laser-call-01.htm
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/positive.htm
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-town.htm
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/can-do.htm

Regards, Brad Guth / IEIS 1-253-8576061 http://guthvenus.tripod.com
alternate URL: http://www.geocities.com/bradguth

There's a whole lot of flak ongoing about space radiation, about
secondary radiation, about spacecraft interior radiation, film
fogging, L4/L5 and subsequently lunar surface radiation and, of all
sorts of other nasty flak pertaining to those Apollo missions. I
wonder why all the big guns???

"Moon hoax as American as apple pie"

http://guthvenus.tripod.com/space-radiation.htm
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/moon-sar.htm

Regards, Brad Guth / IEIS http://guthvenus.tripod.com

Here is yet another means to an end (actually several means),
including the salvage of Hubble along with the task of getting
ourselves to/from and of surviving places like Venus L2 and even Mars.

Lunar/Moon Space Elevator, plus another ISS situated within the CM

Lunar Space Elevator Linear Tether Considerations (CM @1^9 kg):
363,300 km, ME-L1 = 58,128 km, L1.1 = 63,941 km (-1738 km = 62,203 km)
405,500 km, ME-L1 = 64,880 km, L1.1 = 71,368 km (-1738 km = 69,630 km)

Not that I'm telling anyone what they shouldn't already know, such as
about dealing with space radiation is where I've learned from others
(including NASA) of what to expect at Earth L2, within the Van Allen
zone and of a couple of altitudes below or in between the Van Allen
zone and the surface of Earth. What's oddly missing is any concise
definition of what Earth L4/L5 have to offer and thereby of what the
lunar surface is like. Even clear information of what's to be expected
at ES-L1 seems to have become a secret because, of what there is to be
found simply doesn't compute for what those Apollo missions endured by
any long shot.

Of course, if you have something measured and/or calculated of Earth
L4/L5, for the solar maximum year and/or for the solar minimum year,
that's exactly what we all need to learn about, so that others or at
least that I can estimate what to expect at Venus L2, where I believe
the space environment of VL2 or VE-L2 is worth knowing, since even a
robotic mission such as a TRACE-II would need to be designed for the
radiation environment, as it's highly unlikely that the sun is going
to represent a purely UV--IR source of energy, such as during those
extremely lucky Apollo missions and, even though the VL2 position is
roughly 90% shaded by Venus itself, there's still a good deal of solar
influx/weather that'll represent a whole lot more Sv dosage than any
human expedition can tolerate within the existing ISS shield
capabilities, especially if that's having to be based upon a 2 year
mission.

This radiation tit for tat is where the idea of affordably obtaining
tonnes of that nifty clumping moon dirt comes in real handy. Since we
can launch a manned mission, if need be in stages and assembled
somewhat like ISS. The only stumbling block is the issue of our having
to launch sufficient mass that'll surround the likes of yourself with
good enough density that'll effectively shield those onboard from the
worst the sun has to offer, not to mention whatever the galaxy has to
offer. Unfortunately, besides the rather enormous cost per tonne
delivered, the side effect of launching that amount of mass is the
resulting deposit of artificially created CO2 for the rest of us back
here on Earth, where this being from what I've learned that the
overall process of creating such mass and of having to launch along
with sufficient energy for a interplanetary mission could represent a
100 fold creation of CO2, which is a darn good thing if it were for a
planet like Mars that may need to be warmed up and simply didn't care
about further CO2 pollution but, for Earth that another confirmed "no
no".

Since I've found some references to the EL5 environment in need of as
much as 1000 g/cm2 and, I've located information upon the Earth L2
environment and of what certain densities of shielding accomplish, as
such I've interpreted and/or extrapolated upon what the EL5 radiation
environment must be. Again, if there were a concise set of radiation
tables and of sources other than just the cold-war NASA moderated
verity, then I'd not have had to bother the wizardly likes of
http://clavius.org which no matters what can't stray from their
pretentious cold-war outcome of those Apollo missions.

As another means to an end, for the prospect of accommodating a depot
of moon dirt situated in a nearly Zero-G environment seemed too good
to pass up. The idea of constructing a lunar based space elevator even
seems entirely possible, especially if the likes of those claiming any
Earth based (EM-L1) space elevator should be accomplish, as there's no
freaking contest in the fact that a lunar based elevator will become a
whole lot simpler and, that it could be accomplished within the
current level of expertise and by way of existing materials
application technology. The idea of having another ISS configured
within the massive lunar space elevator CM depot is yet another win
win for all sorts of things.

I've proposed a number of my village idiot ideas and benefits
associated with having a moon-dirt depot situated at ME-L1.1 (LL1.1),
and as usual, all I've gotten in return is either their black-hole
voids of nothingness or loads of sanctimonious flak instead of other
ideas or specific numbers, as God forbid, should some of our crack
space wizards actually stipulate upon anything specific that might end
their career that was probably phony to begin with. The following page
is simply an ongoing build, receiving corrections as well as whatever
feedback that can be put to the test (your input is welcome);
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/moon-L1-elevator.htm

If you don't know what works but otherwise seem to know for a fact
what doesn't work, then that's the sort of information we need, as
either way this moon space elevator is a doable thing, especially as
compared to accomplishing any Earth based space elevator and/or of our
going to/from any frozen and irradiated to death planet such as Mars.

BTW; I'm all for saving the butts of those Hubble huggers (I'd even
pay or it out of my own pocket), though if only I could think of
something morally worthy for such a fine instrument and of supposedly
such qualified souls to be focused upon, such as a nighttime side of a
certain planet that just might be capable of artificially illuminating
portions of their otherwise pitch black though sufficiently
transparent nighttime clouds. But gee whiz folks, I guess I can't
think of a single god damn worthy thing for that otherwise
horrifically spendy instrument that'll soon make for another terrific
display as it burns itself up upon reentry (I guess it'll be good
riddance to a source of such terrific images of places humans will
never obtain an ounce nor a gram of worth in a thousand generations).


I already stipulated that "there's other life NOT as we know it on
Venus", or at least the biggest ever discovery of their being
substantial structural remains from a pre-greenhouse life:
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-town.htm

I've recently indicated upon the notion of our establishing
interplanetary communications, along with lots of numbers and
alternate ideas that should work:
http://guthvenus.tripod.laser-call-01.htm

I've just introduced the notion of establishing the lunar/moon L1.1
space elevator, thereby a moon-dirt depot and possibly even a new ISS
outpost within the massive CM:
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/moon-L1-elevator.htm

There now, I've offered three perfectly good sentences, posting three
perfectly good discoveries and/or village idiot ideas that are
moon-dirt cheap and a whole lot safer than anything most others are
having to offer, unless flak is valuable, as in that case I'm broke,
as in flat out of warm and fuzzy ammo, though I'll gladly gather up
whatever flak comes my way and subsequently return the favor.

BTW; there's lots of natural (green renewable) energy already esisting
on Venus, as within the pressure differentials of 4+bar/km and of the
likely 10 degrees K/km of the near surface nighttime, especially of
elevated territories.

Regards, Brad Guth / IEIS discovery of LIFE on Venus
http://guthvenus.tripod.com