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Old December 9th 06, 12:14 AM posted to sci.astro.amateur
Rich[_1_]
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The conceptualizer of Project Orion, man's only hope to reach
interstellar space also knows something about global warming. But it
won't endear him to the hysterical nuts who think the World is about to
end.

http://www.bellinghamherald.com/102/story/43354.html

Dec. 7, 2006

Science can fix climate woes, author contends

Freeman Dyson tells students a wet Sahara once supported livestock
herds

After branding himself a heretic, mathematician and physicist Freeman
Dyson told a Fairhaven College audience that fears of global warming
are overblown.

Dyson acknowledged that human activity is adding carbon dioxide to the
Earth?s atmosphere, and that could raise its temperature. But he said
he finds scientists? climate models unconvincing.

He also expressed confidence that the negative effects of global
warming,
if any, could be overcome, while some areas of the Earth would likely
benefit from the change.

Six thousand years ago, Dyson said, glaciers in the Alps were much
smaller than they are today, and the Sahara was wet enough to support
herds of livestock.

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Old December 9th 06, 01:15 AM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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"Rich" wrote in message
ups.com...
The conceptualizer of Project Orion, man's only hope to reach
interstellar space also knows something about global warming. But it
won't endear him to the hysterical nuts who think the World is about to
end.



No one sane thinks the world is about to end. You are as bad as the ones
who really do. That makes you INSANE too.


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Old December 9th 06, 02:55 AM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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Rich wrote:
The conceptualizer of Project Orion, man's only hope to reach
interstellar space also knows something about global warming. But it
won't endear him to the hysterical nuts who think the World is about to
end.


Years ago I heard Linus Pauling give his vitamin C talk. Just because a
great scientist takes up a position, doesn't make it a great position.
He also said:
“New species of termites could be engineered to chew up derelict cars
instead of houses,”
When they run out of cars to eat maybe they can eat tanks and aircraft
carriers. What about skyscrapers? Thems good eatin!

http://www.bellinghamherald.com/102/story/43354.html

Dec. 7, 2006

Science can fix climate woes, author contends


Sure, social science. Climate change is a result of cultural and
technological change. IMO, "fixes" will require both technological and
social change e.g. renewable energy sources, improved efficiency of
heating, transportation, and manufacturing, the desire to embrace
efficiencies such as bicycle, foot, rail or bus over car, and the US
leading the world in abandoning rampant consumerism (yeah right-listen
to me ;-) ).

Freeman Dyson tells students a wet Sahara once supported livestock
herds

After branding himself a heretic, mathematician and physicist Freeman
Dyson told a Fairhaven College audience that fears of global warming
are overblown.

Dyson acknowledged that human activity is adding carbon dioxide to the
Earth?s atmosphere, and that could raise its temperature. But he said
he finds scientists? climate models unconvincing.

He also expressed confidence that the negative effects of global
warming, if any, could be overcome, while some areas of the Earth would likely
benefit from the change.


The problems arise along with the oceans. It will cost a lot of money
to move most of the worlds biggest cities. Unless you think the New
Orleans solution is preferred? Also, people will struggle to continue
farming their arable land in the face of more frequent and severe
drought before abandoning it. The world population can adapt relatively
quickly to farming in areas with improved climate for agriculture, but
it will likely given the nature of people, create hardship for
individuals and nations. Do you think the nations of Africa and Asia
will all work together like the good buddies they always have been when
the going gets rough?

Six thousand years ago, Dyson said, glaciers in the Alps were much
smaller than they are today, and the Sahara was wet enough to support
herds of livestock.


So it's time to give the U.N. some muscle over major countries like the
U.S., Russia, and China. Force everyone to work and sacrifice toward a
solution.
Lets get going comrade!

Shawn
P.S. sorry for feeding the troll, he looked so sad and hungry.
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Old December 9th 06, 02:29 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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Shawn wrote:

So it's time to give the U.N. some muscle over major countries like the
U.S., Russia, and China. Force everyone to work and sacrifice toward a
solution.
Lets get going comrade!



You first please...... lol.....

Thanx for reminding me why I have sooo
many firearms...

;-)



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AM

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Old December 9th 06, 07:34 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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AM wrote:
Shawn wrote:

So it's time to give the U.N. some muscle over major countries like
the U.S., Russia, and China. Force everyone to work and sacrifice
toward a solution.
Lets get going comrade!



You first please...... lol.....

Thanx for reminding me why I have sooo
many firearms...

;-)


What concerns me, and I'm no communist, is that if we don't work
internationally to improve on the eventual economic outcome of climate
change we (or more likely our children) will need those firearms for real.

Shawn
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Old December 9th 06, 08:03 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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Shawn wrote:

What concerns me, and I'm no communist, is that if we don't work
internationally to improve on the eventual economic outcome of climate
change we (or more likely our children) will need those firearms for real.


And those countries (perhaps as many as 50% of them) that are unable or
are unwilling to "work internationally"--what do we do about them?
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Old December 9th 06, 08:16 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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whowell wrote:
Shawn wrote:

What concerns me, and I'm no communist, is that if we don't work
internationally to improve on the eventual economic outcome of climate
change we (or more likely our children) will need those firearms for
real.


And those countries (perhaps as many as 50% of them) that are unable or
are unwilling to "work internationally"--what do we do about them?


The U.S. is the model country for "unwilling to work internationally".
You tell me and we'll both know.


Shawn
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Old December 9th 06, 09:07 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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Rich wrote:
The conceptualizer of Project Orion, man's only hope to reach
interstellar space also knows something about global warming. But it
won't endear him to the hysterical nuts who think the World is about to
end.

http://www.bellinghamherald.com/102/story/43354.html

Dec. 7, 2006

Science can fix climate woes, author contends

Freeman Dyson tells students a wet Sahara once supported livestock
herds

After branding himself a heretic, mathematician and physicist Freeman
Dyson told a Fairhaven College audience that fears of global warming
are overblown.

Dyson acknowledged that human activity is adding carbon dioxide to the
Earth?s atmosphere, and that could raise its temperature. But he said
he finds scientists? climate models unconvincing.

He also expressed confidence that the negative effects of global
warming,
if any, could be overcome, while some areas of the Earth would likely
benefit from the change.

Six thousand years ago, Dyson said, glaciers in the Alps were much
smaller than they are today, and the Sahara was wet enough to support
herds of livestock.


Keep going what's your point. 10,000 years ago most of the Northern US
was covered with a mile of ice. As th glaciers retreated they created
the Great Lakes and the finger lakes in NY. Of course the Sahara was
wet. The more importatn question is what to do about the human induced
changes that are superimposed on the natural changes. There is not a
single person in the cliamte change community whose does not
acknowledge natural climatic change. It Infoe and other clueless
rightwingers that distort everything

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Old December 9th 06, 11:52 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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wrote:
Rich wrote:
The conceptualizer of Project Orion, man's only hope to reach
interstellar space also knows something about global warming. But it
won't endear him to the hysterical nuts who think the World is about to
end.

http://www.bellinghamherald.com/102/story/43354.html

Dec. 7, 2006

Science can fix climate woes, author contends

Freeman Dyson tells students a wet Sahara once supported livestock
herds

After branding himself a heretic, mathematician and physicist Freeman
Dyson told a Fairhaven College audience that fears of global warming
are overblown.

Dyson acknowledged that human activity is adding carbon dioxide to the
Earth?s atmosphere, and that could raise its temperature. But he said
he finds scientists? climate models unconvincing.

He also expressed confidence that the negative effects of global
warming,
if any, could be overcome, while some areas of the Earth would likely
benefit from the change.

Six thousand years ago, Dyson said, glaciers in the Alps were much
smaller than they are today, and the Sahara was wet enough to support
herds of livestock.


Keep going what's your point. 10,000 years ago most of the Northern US
was covered with a mile of ice. As th glaciers retreated they created
the Great Lakes and the finger lakes in NY. Of course the Sahara was
wet. The more importatn question is what to do about the human induced
changes that are superimposed on the natural changes.


Why is it the kooks ALWAYS harp on the negatives, if there really are
any?
The predications of the left when it comes to technology, industry and
environment have
always been way off (peak oil in 1980, etc) because they are emotional,
irrational and jump to conclusions. Pretty soon, they make it a crime
to discuss global warming repercusions in anything but a negative
light.
Global warming's "fight" is nothing more than the biggest socialist
scam off all time. A method of shifting trillions of dollars and
millions of jobs out of the West. Otherwise, China, which is predicted
to be producing 4x the U.S. output of C02 by 2025 would have been
included in the disgusting Kyoto agreement for controlling C02.

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Old December 10th 06, 10:23 AM posted to sci.astro.amateur
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gARBaGE IN - gARBAGe OUT.



Rich wrote:

wrote:
Rich wrote:
The conceptualizer of Project Orion, man's only hope to reach
interstellar space also knows something about global warming. But it
won't endear him to the hysterical nuts who think the World is about to
end.

http://www.bellinghamherald.com/102/story/43354.html

Dec. 7, 2006

Science can fix climate woes, author contends

Freeman Dyson tells students a wet Sahara once supported livestock
herds

After branding himself a heretic, mathematician and physicist Freeman
Dyson told a Fairhaven College audience that fears of global warming
are overblown.

Dyson acknowledged that human activity is adding carbon dioxide to the
Earth?s atmosphere, and that could raise its temperature. But he said
he finds scientists? climate models unconvincing.

He also expressed confidence that the negative effects of global
warming,
if any, could be overcome, while some areas of the Earth would likely
benefit from the change.

Six thousand years ago, Dyson said, glaciers in the Alps were much
smaller than they are today, and the Sahara was wet enough to support
herds of livestock.


Keep going what's your point. 10,000 years ago most of the Northern US
was covered with a mile of ice. As th glaciers retreated they created
the Great Lakes and the finger lakes in NY. Of course the Sahara was
wet. The more importatn question is what to do about the human induced
changes that are superimposed on the natural changes.


Why is it the kooks ALWAYS harp on the negatives, if there really are
any?
The predications of the left when it comes to technology, industry and
environment have
always been way off (peak oil in 1980, etc) because they are emotional,
irrational and jump to conclusions. Pretty soon, they make it a crime
to discuss global warming repercusions in anything but a negative
light.
Global warming's "fight" is nothing more than the biggest socialist
scam off all time. A method of shifting trillions of dollars and
millions of jobs out of the West. Otherwise, China, which is predicted
to be producing 4x the U.S. output of C02 by 2025 would have been
included in the disgusting Kyoto agreement for controlling C02.


 




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