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newbie homebuilt distortion
I recently built my first homebuilt in probably 40 years, a simple
Dobsonian with (for now) a 8" mirror I bought from Sylvan on eBay. The scope seems good on focusing on near objects and does a beautiful image on the moon, but in looking at say Jupiter tonite I get an odd distortion. The viewed image at its smallest and brightest is nowhere near round. It looks like a weird scrunched up bowtie. One side is much larger. Focus either way and it goes to a dimmer circle like I would expect for out of focus. I read somewhere where some of the mirrors from this source were not the right grind - spherical instead of parabolic or vice versa. This mirror turned out to have a focal length of 23.5 inches (shorter than advertised). I have another larger mirror from them (a 10") and its exactly the focal length they advertised... (dont have it in front of me but its 40 something). I have not built a mounting for the larger mirror yet, kinda wanting to figure out whats wrong with this before I dive in deeper. Any ideas? |
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Yep, that has been found in LOTS of their mirrors. Only thing I know of is
to regrind it after removing the coating and get it to meet parbloic shape. You'll have to figure if you want a slow one (like my f8 Babylon 8) or a faster f5 one. Or reurn it and get your money back. -- The Lone Sidewalk Astronomer of Rosamond Telescope Buyers FAQ http://home.inreach.com/starlord Sidewalk Astronomy www.sidewalkastronomy.info Astronomy Net Online Gift Shop http://www.cafepress.com/astronomy_net In Garden Online Gift Shop http://www.cafepress.com/ingarden Blast Off Online Gift Shop http://www.cafepress.com/starlords Astro Blog http://starlord.bloggerteam.com/ wrote in message oups.com... I recently built my first homebuilt in probably 40 years, a simple Dobsonian with (for now) a 8" mirror I bought from Sylvan on eBay. The scope seems good on focusing on near objects and does a beautiful image on the moon, but in looking at say Jupiter tonite I get an odd distortion. The viewed image at its smallest and brightest is nowhere near round. It looks like a weird scrunched up bowtie. One side is much larger. Focus either way and it goes to a dimmer circle like I would expect for out of focus. I read somewhere where some of the mirrors from this source were not the right grind - spherical instead of parabolic or vice versa. This mirror turned out to have a focal length of 23.5 inches (shorter than advertised). I have another larger mirror from them (a 10") and its exactly the focal length they advertised... (dont have it in front of me but its 40 something). I have not built a mounting for the larger mirror yet, kinda wanting to figure out whats wrong with this before I dive in deeper. Any ideas? |
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Thanks for the quick reply
So I take it my 'odd' distortion on distant objects is the mirror shape then? Is there any easy way to tell if the larger mirror I have is the right grind before I take time to make a mount for it and put it together? Starlord wrote: Yep, that has been found in LOTS of their mirrors. Only thing I know of is to regrind it after removing the coating and get it to meet parbloic shape. You'll have to figure if you want a slow one (like my f8 Babylon 8) or a faster f5 one. Or reurn it and get your money back. |
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ps.com: Thanks for the quick reply So I take it my 'odd' distortion on distant objects is the mirror shape then? Is there any easy way to tell if the larger mirror I have is the right grind before I take time to make a mount for it and put it together? You can use the knife edge test invented by Leon Foucault. http://www.stellafane.com/atm/atm_fo...er_plans_1.htm There is also the Ronchi test which is good for detecting a turned down edge. Explore the above site for details. Klazmon. Starlord wrote: Yep, that has been found in LOTS of their mirrors. Only thing I know of is to regrind it after removing the coating and get it to meet parbloic shape. You'll have to figure if you want a slow one (like my f8 Babylon 8) or a faster f5 one. Or reurn it and get your money back. |
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I would think you'd need the useage of a slit / Foucker tester, others will
know the right name, but you can set up the mirror and use the tester to get an idea of your mirrors figure. I've got one, but due to living in a trailer I've not had enough room to use it right. -- The Lone Sidewalk Astronomer of Rosamond Telescope Buyers FAQ http://home.inreach.com/starlord Sidewalk Astronomy www.sidewalkastronomy.info Astronomy Net Online Gift Shop http://www.cafepress.com/astronomy_net In Garden Online Gift Shop http://www.cafepress.com/ingarden Blast Off Online Gift Shop http://www.cafepress.com/starlords Astro Blog http://starlord.bloggerteam.com/ wrote in message ps.com... Thanks for the quick reply So I take it my 'odd' distortion on distant objects is the mirror shape then? Is there any easy way to tell if the larger mirror I have is the right grind before I take time to make a mount for it and put it together? Starlord wrote: Yep, that has been found in LOTS of their mirrors. Only thing I know of is to regrind it after removing the coating and get it to meet parbloic shape. You'll have to figure if you want a slow one (like my f8 Babylon 8) or a faster f5 one. Or reurn it and get your money back. |
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On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 21:49:53 -0500, wrote:
I recently built my first homebuilt in probably 40 years, a simple Dobsonian with (for now) a 8" mirror I bought from Sylvan on eBay. The scope seems good on focusing on near objects and does a beautiful image on the moon, but in looking at say Jupiter tonite I get an odd distortion. The viewed image at its smallest and brightest is nowhere near round. It looks like a weird scrunched up bowtie. One side is much larger. Focus either way and it goes to a dimmer circle like I would expect for out of focus. I read somewhere where some of the mirrors from this source were not the right grind - spherical instead of parabolic or vice versa. This mirror turned out to have a focal length of 23.5 inches (shorter than advertised). I have another larger mirror from them (a 10") and its exactly the focal length they advertised... (dont have it in front of me but its 40 something). I have not built a mounting for the larger mirror yet, kinda wanting to figure out whats wrong with this before I dive in deeper. Any ideas? To summarize what others have pointed out individually, the problem could be a number of things, or even a combination of them: 1. Poorly figured mirror (f/3 is difficult, and you won't find a good & cheap one anyplace but an estate sale.) 2. Coma and/or astigmatism. Common in fast (low f/number) mirrors. 3. Pinched/strained optics. VERY LIKELY. You didn't say how they were mounted. And this tends to produce non- symmetrical images. 4. Other possibilities: - defective diagonal - poor collimation (also VERY LIKELY) - wrong choice of eyepiece for fast (f/3) system - defective eyepiece - defects in the eye Hope this helps. Larry G. -- Freedom is a terrible thing to waste ! - turn OFF your TV - turn ON your MIND. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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