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  #51  
Old September 11th 17, 05:33 AM posted to sci.space.policy
Fred J. McCall[_3_]
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William Elliot wrote:

During the Regean era, the USA refused to belive Canada's claim of
acid rain. (pollution from USA killing lakes in Canada)... Until
pollution from Mexico started to affect some fishing resort in
Texas, at which point the USA stopped denying acid rain and struck a
deal with the 3 countries.

When the USA starts to realise the cost of dealing with the
*increase* in weather damage, it will wake up and realise it
shouldn't have pulled out of Paris.


It will be too late by then.


Explain to me what Paris actually does even if your religion is true,
given that it essentially puts NO cap on China, the largest producer
of greenhouse gasses, or on India?


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territory."
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  #52  
Old September 11th 17, 05:47 AM posted to sci.space.policy
William Elliot[_4_]
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On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Fred J. McCall wrote:
William Elliot wrote:

During the Regean era, the USA refused to belive Canada's claim of
acid rain. (pollution from USA killing lakes in Canada)... Until
pollution from Mexico started to affect some fishing resort in
Texas, at which point the USA stopped denying acid rain and struck a
deal with the 3 countries.

When the USA starts to realise the cost of dealing with the
*increase* in weather damage, it will wake up and realise it
shouldn't have pulled out of Paris.


It will be too late by then.


Explain to me what Paris actually does even if your religion is true,
given that it essentially puts NO cap on China, the largest producer
of greenhouse gasses, or on India?


Paris, a large town in France, does everything that other large towns
do - consumes lots of engery and food, makes lots of garbage and
sewage and breeds lots of people.

Less I blaspheme your religion, isn't pollution wonderful?

  #53  
Old September 11th 17, 06:01 AM posted to sci.space.policy
William Elliot[_4_]
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On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Fred J. McCall wrote:

Looks like you're the one wearing a blindfold. I've no more
'denied' that than I've agreed to it. The word I'm using is
'unproven' or 'undemonstrated'. And that is the simple fact. Even
the guys who study and predict hurricanes agree that they can't show
any causal link between warming, whether human caused or not, and an
increase in hurricane frequency and severity.


We've got a good crop of hurricanes this year.
Hurry and get one for yourself.

And this shows just what a brain damaged nitwit you are. "My buddy
Trump"? You need to start reading what people actually write rather
than what some stupid stereotype in your head would have written.


Doth spoke Fowl Mouth


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Old September 11th 17, 10:15 PM posted to sci.space.policy
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Le 11/09/2017 Ã* 06:47, William Elliot a écritÂ*:
Explain to me what Paris actually does even if your religion is true,
given that it essentially puts NO cap on China, the largest producer
of greenhouse gasses, or on India?



Yes, all those polluters are gently pressed to stop polluting but not
much more.

But as evidence becomes overhelming, France and China decided to get on
the goal of eliminating CO2 emitting transportaion in the far future.

Just words, and we go on emitting trillions of tons of CO2 per year and
the thi,ng accelerates. The Atlantic is warm now, and it will be warmer
in the future.

Just because people like you propose to go on polluting, as if nothing
is happening, and as this warming could go on forever.

Venus is full of CO2. You want that McCall?

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Old September 12th 17, 02:31 AM posted to sci.space.policy
Fred J. McCall[_3_]
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jacob navia wrote:

Le 11/09/2017 à 06:47, William Elliot a écrit*:
Explain to me what Paris actually does even if your religion is true,
given that it essentially puts NO cap on China, the largest producer
of greenhouse gasses, or on India?



Yes, all those polluters are gently pressed to stop polluting but not
much more.

But as evidence becomes overhelming, France and China decided to get on
the goal of eliminating CO2 emitting transportaion in the far future.


One can offer up anything in the "far future". Meanwhile, most of
Europe won't meet their Paris Accord goals.


Just words, and we go on emitting trillions of tons of CO2 per year and
the thi,ng accelerates. The Atlantic is warm now, and it will be warmer
in the future.


It will also be colder in the future. It's called 'climate'.


Just because people like you propose to go on polluting, as if nothing
is happening, and as this warming could go on forever.

Venus is full of CO2. You want that McCall?


This ain't Venus and if you don't know the difference you're too
ignorant to be in this conversation.


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truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong."
-- Thomas Jefferson
  #56  
Old September 12th 17, 04:00 AM posted to sci.space.policy
William Elliot[_4_]
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On Mon, 11 Sep 2017, Fred J. McCall wrote:

jacob navia wrote:

It will also be colder in the future. It's called 'climate'.


Wow! Winter will be arriving in a few months.
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Old September 12th 17, 11:51 AM posted to sci.space.policy
Fred J. McCall[_3_]
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William Elliot wrote:

On Mon, 11 Sep 2017, Fred J. McCall wrote:

jacob navia wrote:

It will also be colder in the future. It's called 'climate'.


Wow! Winter will be arriving in a few months.


Exactly. And next summer it will be either warmer or cooler than it
was this summer (an exact match being just pretty low odds). Odds are
that given current trends it will be warmer, but that's not a given
and it has yet to be proven that humans have anything at all to do
with it.

Again, the two big predictors of hurricane seasons tend to be La
Nina/El Nino and the decadal oscillations, not 'warming'.


--
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territory."
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Old September 13th 17, 11:36 AM posted to sci.space.policy
William Elliot[_4_]
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On Tue, 12 Sep 2017, Fred J. McCall wrote:
William Elliot wrote:

It will also be colder in the future. It's called 'climate'.

Wow! Winter will be arriving in a few months.


Exactly. And next summer it will be either warmer or cooler than it
was this summer (an exact match being just pretty low odds). Odds are
that given current trends it will be warmer, but that's not a given
and it has yet to be proven that humans have anything at all to do
with it.


Nonsense. The 2018 Farmer Almanac isn't yet available.

Again, the two big predictors of hurricane seasons tend to be La
Nina/El Nino and the decadal oscillations, not 'warming'.


Do you have a favorite hurricane?
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Old September 13th 17, 02:26 PM posted to sci.space.policy
Fred J. McCall[_3_]
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JF Mezei wrote:

On 2017-09-11 00:33, Fred J. McCall wrote:

Explain to me what Paris actually does even if your religion is true,
given that it essentially puts NO cap on China, the largest producer
of greenhouse gasses, or on India?


So you believe Trump and his cronies who consistently put out fake facts?


No, I believe the real facts. You, on the other hand, apparently
suffer from Trump Derangement Syndrome.


Paris accord takes into consideration per capita emissions.


Well, no. You really need to go read that thing.


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truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong."
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Old September 13th 17, 02:29 PM posted to sci.space.policy
Fred J. McCall[_3_]
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JF Mezei wrote:

On 2017-09-11 00:33, Fred J. McCall wrote:

Explain to me what Paris actually does even if your religion is true,
given that it essentially puts NO cap on China, the largest producer
of greenhouse gasses, or on India?



India’s climate pledge, or Intended Nationally Determined Contribution
(INDC), aims to reduce the emission intensity of its GDP by 30-35% by
2030 and increase its renewable energy capacity five-fold by 2022, with
notable contributions from solar and wind. It aims to achieve 40% of its
installed electricity generating capacity from non-fossil (defined as
nuclear, hydropower and renewable) sources by 2022 and it proposes an
aggressive reforestation effort.


Yes, net emissions continue to grow. But relative to population or GDP,
will not exceed those of western nations such as USA.


The US produces a smaller share of world CO2 than it does of world
GDP. Nations like India and China, on the other hand, produce a much
larger share of world CO2 than they do of world GDP.


It is 1 planet with 5 billion people on it. The USA with its 300 million
doesn't have the "right" to generate more pollution per capita than
other nations. And yes, this means that you have to allow more
populated nations to pollute more than the USA which is all the more
important to get the USA (and other western nations) to lead by example
because western nation pollution ratiosn are what determine the caps for
developping nations. The lower the cap, the less their emissions can
continue to grow until they reach it.


So your view is that a failure to control population allows a country
to not have to control CO2 emissions.


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territory."
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