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Appendix V (was - Einstien was a wise old elf)
oc yes the constant of 'c' was Einstein's idea that was the universes
speed limit in his SR and that was the speed say of the graviton(same as the photon,and both messenger particles to boot. Still in one of my gravity thoughts I have posted that gravity of the cosmos can be instantaneous. Its intrinsic force acts on all that is immersed in space. instantaneously. Like you I'll use the none compression of water to illustrate my point. Jug full to the top with carbonated water with millions of bubbles. Push a cork down hard and all the bubbles get smaller at once.The liquid makes this relative action of all bubbles at once because it is non-compressible. Space gravity can be like a 3 dimensional spider web,and if any of its web acts(structure strings)(vibrates,and relating these vibrating strings to gravity,we can see an action taking of gravity being faster than the speed of light go figure oc just thoughts that can be used.??? Bert |
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From Bert:
I'll use the non-compressibility of water to illustrate my point. * * * * * Jug full to the top with carbonated water with millions of bubbles. Push a cork down hard and all the bubbles get smaller at once.The liquid makes this relative action of all bubbles at once because it is non-compressible. ...just thoughts that can be used.??? Yes, absolutely, Bert. You've just illustrated a perfect example of *functional instantaneity*. When you jammed the cork down the impulse appeared throughout the whole jug instantly.. well for all practical purposes, instantly. The impulse actually traveled thru the jug at the speed of sound in water, but it was functionally instantaneous. This is what is meant by the functional instantaneity of gravity. Whatever lag there *might* be is functionally, virtually negligible.. as proven by stability of planetary orbits over billions of years. oc |
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"Art Deco" wrote in message ... Phineas T Puddleduck wrote: In article , Art Deco wrote: Phineas T Puddleduck wrote: In article , Art Deco wrote: That is one of the stupidest thing you have posted yet. Relativistic = Coming under the relativity theory. I'm sure he can come up with even stupider ideas to post. In the next post as well, probably... It didn't take long at all, just a few hours. Surely the rate that this sewage is produced has to slow down sometimes. painsnuh is like a ball valve, he's either full on, or full off. If he follows his usual pattern, he'll disappear soon for several months. Same same with Sheppard. Funny, you do the same thing, Pedo Deco! |
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"Double-A" wrote in message ups.com... Art Deco wrote: Double-A wrote: John Zinni wrote: Painius wrote: "Phineas T Puddleduck" wrote... in message news In article , "Painius" wrote: Aspiring astrophysicists ought to know where they're headed, on which road they will travel. A few, a very few really great ones, even much greater than A. Guth (if that's possible) will officially question the anomalous paradigms. More than that, the truly great ones will go searching for reality and truth. They will study among other things, Einstein and App. 5. And maybe they'll remember their ko0ky friends here in alt.astronomy, and how wonderful the idea of a dynamic, moving, flowing energetic space zooming into mass and causing gravity can truly be! Awesome times ahead for you, Phineas. I don't subscribe to flowing space at all. My own field of study is already contentious. It's fairly obvious that you don't agree with Einstein about space as a flowing field of energy, Phineas. Fields don't flow. What about the flow of the flux in a magnetic field? You need to go back and retake EM, it obviously didn't sink in very far. Double-A Perhaps then you can refer me to an insightful reference that will clarify my thinking on this point. Double-A LOL |
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VVFWS NOMINATION: Appendix V (was - Einstein was a wise old elf)
"Double-A" wrote in message ups.com... Phineas T Puddleduck wrote: In article , Art Deco wrote: For this deep, profound idea that all forms of energy are gravitational, combined with his dogged determination to prop up the flowing space verbal cornucopia despite all evidence to the contrary, I nominate painsnuh for the Victor Von Frankenstein Weird Science Award, January 2007. Any seconds? I second that -- Why don't you guys build a fire and burn him at the stake for heresy too! Double-A Because there isn't one single "ball" between the two of them! HJ |
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VVFWS NOMINATION: Appendix V (was - Einstein was a wise old elf)
Double-A wrote:
Phineas T Puddleduck wrote: In article , Art Deco wrote: For this deep, profound idea that all forms of energy are gravitational, combined with his dogged determination to prop up the flowing space verbal cornucopia despite all evidence to the contrary, I nominate painsnuh for the Victor Von Frankenstein Weird Science Award, January 2007. Any seconds? I second that -- Why don't you guys build a fire and burn him at the stake for heresy too! Your abject lack of clues is not my problem. Double-A |
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Appendix V (was - Einstein was a wise old elf)
Art Deco wrote:
More than any other scientist, Einstein has the unique property that he attracts kooks of all flavors, a phenomenon that continues to this very day. nightbat Thanks for admitting your auk group shortcomings and that is natural because profound scientist and researchers of the caliber of Einstein are normally targeted by clueless ones. This propensity carries on via the over displayed attraction and affinity that the auk coffeeboys in general have for the present net profound Earth Science Team Officers. put another coffee pot on, the nightbat |
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Double-A wrote:
G=EMC^2 Glazier wrote: oc Reading your post just now a thought jumped in. "What if" space flow that gives gravity its push force(pressure) moves at C^2 186,242 X 186,242. Its not instantaneous and yet so very fast that it can never be detected. Its not an infinite speed,and maybe Einstein could live with it. Can you live with it oc? Well, although Bert is able to see right through war-fizzy, that is apparently where his lucidity ends. Gravity is caused by the acceleration of the flow. No. There is no aether. And as I see it, it's speed at any point can be calculated from the time dilation at a given point within a gravitational field. And the result is in units of pixies per femtoneedles. Well the graviton has spin 2,and that is twice as fast as boson particles. I don't think 2 refers to its actual speed of rotation, but more to its characteristics. Perhaps. Best to keep in mind motion,and gravity are two sides to the same coin and that motion can be curved Spin motion or accelerating motion creates gravitation effects. Coasting motion only shows its effects when the object is close to 'c' Bert PS Could Darla's space ship go at C^2 Darla's ship goes with the flow of space currents. Darla is a fake-alien sockpuppet brigade; "she" has no ship and therefore is going nowhere fast. She talked about that. Saucerheads talk about a lot of things. Double-A |
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Appendix V (was - Einstein was a wise old elf)
Bill Sheppard wrote:
From Bert: "What if" space flow that gives gravity its push force(pressure) moves at c²* * * (186,242 X 186,242)? OK Bert, just to clarify (again)- ahem- The *rate of flow* into any particular mass is not the same thing as the 'speed of gravity'. The 'speed of gravity' (or speed of gravitational charge), just as Newton originally observed, is instantaneous irrespective of distance and irrespective of the size of the mass(es) involved. Its not instantaneous and yet so very fast that it can never be detected. Well, it's instananeous for all practical purposes, i.e., functionally instantaneous. If this were not so, there would be what's called "aberration of gravity", which would cause the planets' orbits to spiral outward over time. Since they do not, and remain stable over billions of years, this proves Newton was correct- that the 'speed of gravity' is functionally instantaneous. (In light of this fact, i dunno why the Wesident waddler keeps harping er, quack-ing er, yip-yapping on the aberration issue.) Its not an infinite speed,and maybe Einstein could live with it. Believe it or not, Einstein believed the 'speed of gravity' to be c. Can you live with it oc? No, nein, nyet. The speed of *gravitational waves* is c. All the Duck's protestations and histrionics notwithstanding, there's a clear-cut distinction between gravity and gravitational waves. The latter DO propagate outward from their source (say a supernova exploding or a binary BH merger). But the *speed of gravity itself* is always functionally instantaneous. Well the graviton has spin 2,and .. 'Gravitons' are needed only under the Void-Space regime. Now, going back to the *rate of flow* into any given mass, it's equal to the escape velocity for that mass. F'rinstance, the Earth's escape velocity is 11.2 km/s (or about 7 mps).. which equals the inflow rate at Earth's surface. Same with any planet, moon or sun. But with a black hole, the inflow velocity and escape velocity both equal c, the speed of light. Pure undiluted pseudoscience vapor, completely sans meaning. oc |
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Appendix V (was - Einstein was a wise old elf)
Double-A wrote:
Art Deco wrote: Double-A wrote: John Zinni wrote: Painius wrote: "Phineas T Puddleduck" wrote... in message news In article , "Painius" wrote: Aspiring astrophysicists ought to know where they're headed, on which road they will travel. A few, a very few really great ones, even much greater than A. Guth (if that's possible) will officially question the anomalous paradigms. More than that, the truly great ones will go searching for reality and truth. They will study among other things, Einstein and App. 5. And maybe they'll remember their ko0ky friends here in alt.astronomy, and how wonderful the idea of a dynamic, moving, flowing energetic space zooming into mass and causing gravity can truly be! Awesome times ahead for you, Phineas. I don't subscribe to flowing space at all. My own field of study is already contentious. It's fairly obvious that you don't agree with Einstein about space as a flowing field of energy, Phineas. Fields don't flow. What about the flow of the flux in a magnetic field? You need to go back and retake EM, it obviously didn't sink in very far. Double-A Perhaps then you can refer me to an insightful reference that will clarify my thinking on this point. Su http://www.amazon.com/Fundamentals-P...-Halliday/dp/0 471105597 http://bcs.wiley.com/he-bcs/Books?ac...1216437&bcsId= 2037 Double-A |
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