ASTRO: Arp 50 and 144

This is a redo of this pair of Arp galaxies in western Cetus about 2
degrees northeast of Arp 50. At -13 degrees declination I rarely get
very good seeing for this pair. Seeing was poor in my 2008 attempt and
fair for this one. Seeing it is better and my research was rather weak
last time I'm redoing it. I must have entered something wrong as the
galaxies aren't centered.

Arp 51 is the small spiral to the lower right of the odd pair of
galaxies, Arp 144. Like Arp 50 it is in Arp's category for spirals with
high surface brightness galaxies on an arm. The spiral is an IR galaxy
in the 2MASS catalog also known as PGC 475 and MCG -02-01-024. Some
catalogs incorrectly call it NGC 7828 which is part of Arp 144. NED has
no distance data on it. The companion is ChaBG 069 (Chavira blue
galaxies catalog) which NED shows as both a galaxy and as part of a
galaxy. So which is it? A knot in an arm or a separate galaxy? Notes
at NED on both the spiral and the object refer to it as simply an
"object". Like for Arp 50 it is near a pulled out arm which is
suggestive but certainly not conclusive. To me, it appears to be a
background galaxy unrelated to the spiral. This is just the way it
looks to me, of course. What do you see? Arp made no comment on this one.

Arp 144 is in Arp's category for material emanating from elliptical or
elliptical like galaxies. I can't understand what he means by this.
Obviously this is two interacting galaxies one an elliptical-like and
one a mess. Arp 144 is about 250 million light-years distant. It is
composed of at least two galaxies, NGC 7828 and NGC 7829. The latter is
the elliptical like galaxy as it is classed as S0 pec. NGC 7828 is
incorrectly shown as Arp 50 in The Sky's data base, maybe this accounts
for my pointing error. It is classed as Im pec. So does Arp see NGC
7828 "emanating" from NGC 7829? or is it just the halo of stars around
NGC 7829's core that is "emanating"? The Kanipe-Webb book is silent on
this which isn't surprising. Arp left no comment to guide us either.
Adding to the confusion one note says: "The spiral or a pair of galaxies
are perturbed by a compact elliptical galaxy." So this source says NGC
7828 may be two galaxies. I find no other mention of this but it seems
possible to me.

Now what about the very blue star-like object in NGC 7828? Is it a
foreground star or is it a very blue knot of stars in the galaxy? The
object is listed as a star in the Hubble Guide Star Catalog but the
cores of NGC 7828 and 7829 are also listed as stars in the catalog. So
this doesn't help any. NED doesn't show anything at this position so is
of no help. The PSF in my image is galaxy like rather than a star so I
will say it is part of the galaxy.

Adding to the confusion I found this: "According to a note in the IC II,
NGC 7829 is a star [13 mag]" Visually 7829 does appear rather starlike
and this note dates back to visual descriptions so isn't surprising.

Arp's images of these two are taken from the same 30 minute exposure on
103a-D film under seeing 3 (1" to 1.5") conditions. Much better than I
had though some of the star knots in NGC 7829 seen in his image are
barely visible in mine with 2.5" to 3" seeing. Good for so low in the sky.

Yes, I know it looks a bit like the Star Trek Enterprise is shooting a
massive photon torpedo out its backside. A bit late as much of the
starboard side of the saucer section seems to be missing.

The field is well outside the Sloan survey but a few galaxies in the
image have distance data so I did prepare an annotated image for those
few entries.

The entry for 6dF J0006212-131716 is labeled a galaxy but considering it
is star-like and listed with a redshift of z=2.878448 which puts it over
11 billion light-years out I have to think it is really a quasar. 6dF
stands for the 6 degree Field Survey. Another odd catalog is the LSCB
which is the Low Central Surface Brightness catalog. LEDA = Lyon
Extragalactic DAtabase for numbers above 73197. Numbers lower than this
are just duplicates of the PGC catalog.

I labeled some of the brighter or more interesting looking galaxies.
Only three besides Arp 144 have red shift data and one of those is
mentioned above. Most are from an automatic plate measurement survey so
has little information other than magnitude.

Arp's image of Arp 51:
http://ned.ipac.caltech.edu/level5/A...big_arp51.jpeg

Arp's image of Arp 144
http://ned.ipac.caltech.edu/level5/A...ig_arp144.jpeg

14" LX200R @ f/10, L=4x10' RGB=2x10', STL-11000XM, Paramount ME

Rick
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Third character is a zero rather than a capital "Oh".

Wow, there's not a lot left of a "normal" spiral structure in Arp 144....

Stefan

"Rick Johnson" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
.com...
This is a redo of this pair of Arp galaxies in western Cetus about 2
degrees northeast of Arp 50. At -13 degrees declination I rarely get
very good seeing for this pair. Seeing was poor in my 2008 attempt and
fair for this one. Seeing it is better and my research was rather weak
last time I'm redoing it. I must have entered something wrong as the
galaxies aren't centered.

Arp 51 is the small spiral to the lower right of the odd pair of
galaxies, Arp 144. Like Arp 50 it is in Arp's category for spirals with
high surface brightness galaxies on an arm. The spiral is an IR galaxy
in the 2MASS catalog also known as PGC 475 and MCG -02-01-024. Some
catalogs incorrectly call it NGC 7828 which is part of Arp 144. NED has
no distance data on it. The companion is ChaBG 069 (Chavira blue
galaxies catalog) which NED shows as both a galaxy and as part of a
galaxy. So which is it? A knot in an arm or a separate galaxy? Notes
at NED on both the spiral and the object refer to it as simply an
"object". Like for Arp 50 it is near a pulled out arm which is
suggestive but certainly not conclusive. To me, it appears to be a
background galaxy unrelated to the spiral. This is just the way it
looks to me, of course. What do you see? Arp made no comment on this
one.

Arp 144 is in Arp's category for material emanating from elliptical or
elliptical like galaxies. I can't understand what he means by this.
Obviously this is two interacting galaxies one an elliptical-like and
one a mess. Arp 144 is about 250 million light-years distant. It is
composed of at least two galaxies, NGC 7828 and NGC 7829. The latter is
the elliptical like galaxy as it is classed as S0 pec. NGC 7828 is
incorrectly shown as Arp 50 in The Sky's data base, maybe this accounts
for my pointing error. It is classed as Im pec. So does Arp see NGC
7828 "emanating" from NGC 7829? or is it just the halo of stars around
NGC 7829's core that is "emanating"? The Kanipe-Webb book is silent on
this which isn't surprising. Arp left no comment to guide us either.
Adding to the confusion one note says: "The spiral or a pair of galaxies
are perturbed by a compact elliptical galaxy." So this source says NGC
7828 may be two galaxies. I find no other mention of this but it seems
possible to me.

Now what about the very blue star-like object in NGC 7828? Is it a
foreground star or is it a very blue knot of stars in the galaxy? The
object is listed as a star in the Hubble Guide Star Catalog but the
cores of NGC 7828 and 7829 are also listed as stars in the catalog. So
this doesn't help any. NED doesn't show anything at this position so is
of no help. The PSF in my image is galaxy like rather than a star so I
will say it is part of the galaxy.

Adding to the confusion I found this: "According to a note in the IC II,
NGC 7829 is a star [13 mag]" Visually 7829 does appear rather starlike
and this note dates back to visual descriptions so isn't surprising.

Arp's images of these two are taken from the same 30 minute exposure on
103a-D film under seeing 3 (1" to 1.5") conditions. Much better than I
had though some of the star knots in NGC 7829 seen in his image are
barely visible in mine with 2.5" to 3" seeing. Good for so low in the
sky.

Yes, I know it looks a bit like the Star Trek Enterprise is shooting a
massive photon torpedo out its backside. A bit late as much of the
starboard side of the saucer section seems to be missing.

The field is well outside the Sloan survey but a few galaxies in the
image have distance data so I did prepare an annotated image for those
few entries.

The entry for 6dF J0006212-131716 is labeled a galaxy but considering it
is star-like and listed with a redshift of z=2.878448 which puts it over
11 billion light-years out I have to think it is really a quasar. 6dF
stands for the 6 degree Field Survey. Another odd catalog is the LSCB
which is the Low Central Surface Brightness catalog. LEDA = Lyon
Extragalactic DAtabase for numbers above 73197. Numbers lower than this
are just duplicates of the PGC catalog.

I labeled some of the brighter or more interesting looking galaxies.
Only three besides Arp 144 have red shift data and one of those is
mentioned above. Most are from an automatic plate measurement survey so
has little information other than magnitude.

Arp's image of Arp 51:
http://ned.ipac.caltech.edu/level5/A...big_arp51.jpeg

Arp's image of Arp 144
http://ned.ipac.caltech.edu/level5/A...ig_arp144.jpeg

14" LX200R @ f/10, L=4x10' RGB=2x10', STL-11000XM, Paramount ME

Rick
--
Correct domain name is arvig and it is net not com. Prefix is correct.
Third character is a zero rather than a capital "Oh".

Wow, there's not a lot left of a "normal" spiral structure in Arp 144....

Stefan

"Rick Johnson" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
.com...
This is a redo of this pair of Arp galaxies in western Cetus about 2
degrees northeast of Arp 50. At -13 degrees declination I rarely get
very good seeing for this pair. Seeing was poor in my 2008 attempt and
fair for this one. Seeing it is better and my research was rather weak
last time I'm redoing it. I must have entered something wrong as the
galaxies aren't centered.

Arp 51 is the small spiral to the lower right of the odd pair of
galaxies, Arp 144. Like Arp 50 it is in Arp's category for spirals with
high surface brightness galaxies on an arm. The spiral is an IR galaxy
in the 2MASS catalog also known as PGC 475 and MCG -02-01-024. Some
catalogs incorrectly call it NGC 7828 which is part of Arp 144. NED has
no distance data on it. The companion is ChaBG 069 (Chavira blue
galaxies catalog) which NED shows as both a galaxy and as part of a
galaxy. So which is it? A knot in an arm or a separate galaxy? Notes
at NED on both the spiral and the object refer to it as simply an
"object". Like for Arp 50 it is near a pulled out arm which is
suggestive but certainly not conclusive. To me, it appears to be a
background galaxy unrelated to the spiral. This is just the way it
looks to me, of course. What do you see? Arp made no comment on this
one.

Arp 144 is in Arp's category for material emanating from elliptical or
elliptical like galaxies. I can't understand what he means by this.
Obviously this is two interacting galaxies one an elliptical-like and
one a mess. Arp 144 is about 250 million light-years distant. It is
composed of at least two galaxies, NGC 7828 and NGC 7829. The latter is
the elliptical like galaxy as it is classed as S0 pec. NGC 7828 is
incorrectly shown as Arp 50 in The Sky's data base, maybe this accounts
for my pointing error. It is classed as Im pec. So does Arp see NGC
7828 "emanating" from NGC 7829? or is it just the halo of stars around
NGC 7829's core that is "emanating"? The Kanipe-Webb book is silent on
this which isn't surprising. Arp left no comment to guide us either.
Adding to the confusion one note says: "The spiral or a pair of galaxies
are perturbed by a compact elliptical galaxy." So this source says NGC
7828 may be two galaxies. I find no other mention of this but it seems
possible to me.

Now what about the very blue star-like object in NGC 7828? Is it a
foreground star or is it a very blue knot of stars in the galaxy? The
object is listed as a star in the Hubble Guide Star Catalog but the
cores of NGC 7828 and 7829 are also listed as stars in the catalog. So
this doesn't help any. NED doesn't show anything at this position so is
of no help. The PSF in my image is galaxy like rather than a star so I
will say it is part of the galaxy.

Adding to the confusion I found this: "According to a note in the IC II,
NGC 7829 is a star [13 mag]" Visually 7829 does appear rather starlike
and this note dates back to visual descriptions so isn't surprising.

Arp's images of these two are taken from the same 30 minute exposure on
103a-D film under seeing 3 (1" to 1.5") conditions. Much better than I
had though some of the star knots in NGC 7829 seen in his image are
barely visible in mine with 2.5" to 3" seeing. Good for so low in the
sky.

Yes, I know it looks a bit like the Star Trek Enterprise is shooting a
massive photon torpedo out its backside. A bit late as much of the
starboard side of the saucer section seems to be missing.

The field is well outside the Sloan survey but a few galaxies in the
image have distance data so I did prepare an annotated image for those
few entries.

The entry for 6dF J0006212-131716 is labeled a galaxy but considering it
is star-like and listed with a redshift of z=2.878448 which puts it over
11 billion light-years out I have to think it is really a quasar. 6dF
stands for the 6 degree Field Survey. Another odd catalog is the LSCB
which is the Low Central Surface Brightness catalog. LEDA = Lyon
Extragalactic DAtabase for numbers above 73197. Numbers lower than this
are just duplicates of the PGC catalog.

I labeled some of the brighter or more interesting looking galaxies.
Only three besides Arp 144 have red shift data and one of those is
mentioned above. Most are from an automatic plate measurement survey so
has little information other than magnitude.

Arp's image of Arp 51:
http://ned.ipac.caltech.edu/level5/A...big_arp51.jpeg

Arp's image of Arp 144
http://ned.ipac.caltech.edu/level5/A...ig_arp144.jpeg

14" LX200R @ f/10, L=4x10' RGB=2x10', STL-11000XM, Paramount ME

Rick
--
Correct domain name is arvig and it is net not com. Prefix is correct.
Third character is a zero rather than a capital "Oh".

Oops, the subject should read Arp 51 and 144.
Rick

On 10/23/2011 3:14 PM, Rick Johnson wrote:
This is a redo of this pair of Arp galaxies in western Cetus about 2
degrees northeast of Arp 50. At -13 degrees declination I rarely get
very good seeing for this pair. Seeing was poor in my 2008 attempt and
fair for this one. Seeing it is better and my research was rather weak
last time I'm redoing it. I must have entered something wrong as the
galaxies aren't centered.

Arp 51 is the small spiral to the lower right of the odd pair of
galaxies, Arp 144. Like Arp 50 it is in Arp's category for spirals with
high surface brightness galaxies on an arm. The spiral is an IR galaxy
in the 2MASS catalog also known as PGC 475 and MCG -02-01-024. Some
catalogs incorrectly call it NGC 7828 which is part of Arp 144. NED has
no distance data on it. The companion is ChaBG 069 (Chavira blue
galaxies catalog) which NED shows as both a galaxy and as part of a
galaxy. So which is it? A knot in an arm or a separate galaxy? Notes at
NED on both the spiral and the object refer to it as simply an "object".
Like for Arp 50 it is near a pulled out arm which is suggestive but
certainly not conclusive. To me, it appears to be a background galaxy
unrelated to the spiral. This is just the way it looks to me, of course.
What do you see? Arp made no comment on this one.

Arp 144 is in Arp's category for material emanating from elliptical or
elliptical like galaxies. I can't understand what he means by this.
Obviously this is two interacting galaxies one an elliptical-like and
one a mess. Arp 144 is about 250 million light-years distant. It is
composed of at least two galaxies, NGC 7828 and NGC 7829. The latter is
the elliptical like galaxy as it is classed as S0 pec. NGC 7828 is
incorrectly shown as Arp 50 in The Sky's data base, maybe this accounts
for my pointing error. It is classed as Im pec. So does Arp see NGC 7828
"emanating" from NGC 7829? or is it just the halo of stars around NGC
7829's core that is "emanating"? The Kanipe-Webb book is silent on this
which isn't surprising. Arp left no comment to guide us either. Adding
to the confusion one note says: "The spiral or a pair of galaxies are
perturbed by a compact elliptical galaxy." So this source says NGC 7828
may be two galaxies. I find no other mention of this but it seems
possible to me.

Now what about the very blue star-like object in NGC 7828? Is it a
foreground star or is it a very blue knot of stars in the galaxy? The
object is listed as a star in the Hubble Guide Star Catalog but the
cores of NGC 7828 and 7829 are also listed as stars in the catalog. So
this doesn't help any. NED doesn't show anything at this position so is
of no help. The PSF in my image is galaxy like rather than a star so I
will say it is part of the galaxy.

Adding to the confusion I found this: "According to a note in the IC II,
NGC 7829 is a star [13 mag]" Visually 7829 does appear rather starlike
and this note dates back to visual descriptions so isn't surprising.

Arp's images of these two are taken from the same 30 minute exposure on
103a-D film under seeing 3 (1" to 1.5") conditions. Much better than I
had though some of the star knots in NGC 7829 seen in his image are
barely visible in mine with 2.5" to 3" seeing. Good for so low in the sky.

Yes, I know it looks a bit like the Star Trek Enterprise is shooting a
massive photon torpedo out its backside. A bit late as much of the
starboard side of the saucer section seems to be missing.

The field is well outside the Sloan survey but a few galaxies in the
image have distance data so I did prepare an annotated image for those
few entries.

The entry for 6dF J0006212-131716 is labeled a galaxy but considering it
is star-like and listed with a redshift of z=2.878448 which puts it over
11 billion light-years out I have to think it is really a quasar. 6dF
stands for the 6 degree Field Survey. Another odd catalog is the LSCB
which is the Low Central Surface Brightness catalog. LEDA = Lyon
Extragalactic DAtabase for numbers above 73197. Numbers lower than this
are just duplicates of the PGC catalog.

I labeled some of the brighter or more interesting looking galaxies.
Only three besides Arp 144 have red shift data and one of those is
mentioned above. Most are from an automatic plate measurement survey so
has little information other than magnitude.

Arp's image of Arp 51:
http://ned.ipac.caltech.edu/level5/A...big_arp51.jpeg

Arp's image of Arp 144
http://ned.ipac.caltech.edu/level5/A...ig_arp144.jpeg

14" LX200R @ f/10, L=4x10' RGB=2x10', STL-11000XM, Paramount ME

Rick


--
Correct domain name is arvig and it is net not com. Prefix is correct.
Third character is a zero rather than a capital "Oh".

Thanks for your posting about glaxies. I read it. It is very interesting. It gave me informations.