MARS: "Bunny" & Reflective Sand

Some people propose that the object seen here

http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/spotl..._20040304.html

photographed by the Mars Rover Opportunity and known as the "bunny"
may be evidence of Martian life. NASA's analysis posted at that page
concludes it was probably cloth torn from the Rover's landing airbags.

NASA critics also claim that Opportunity was directed to drive over
the bunny in order to destroy it. I shall refute alleged evidence
for that incredible claim made by Richard Hoagland and others:

http://www.weirdload.com/nasa-shame.html
http://www.rense.com/general48/NASAA.HTM
http://www.enterprisemission.com/images/LAxpo/10.jpg

The claim is supported by the appearance of a white area within
Opportunity's tire tracks and the inference: the bunny is whitish;
an area within the tracks is whitish; thus the area is the bunny
flattened. As the Weird Load page states: "All that remains of
the 'rabbit ears' is the white residue in the treadmarks."
See: http://www.weirdload.com/art/rovertracks.jpg


HOWEVER, the appearance of white areas in Rover-tire tracks is not
uncommon. Here are examples of similar white areas in tire tracks:

http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/galle...R2674R0M1.HTML
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/galle...P1131R0M1.HTML
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/galle...R0013R0M1.HTML

In my opinion the white areas are obviously where sand has been
flattened by the weight of the Rover and is reflecting sunlight. The
actually interesting issue afoot is contained in the question: why is
that happening? Gilbert Levin attributes this reflectivity to water
freezing after being pressed out of the sand by Rover weight:

"Other images show the rover tracks clearly are being
made in 'mud', with water being pressed out of that
material, Levin said. 'That water promptly freezes
and you can see reflecting ice. That's clearly ice.
It could be nothing else,' he said, 'and the source
is the water that came out of the mud.'"

http://www.space.com/scienceastronom...ce_040229.html

Levin's hypothesis is interesting but I suspect it's wrong, otherwise
such abundant present water would have been easily detected and
reported by NASA. My own hypothesis is: the sand grains are cohesive
and glass-like and when compressed by a flat surface (such as the
relatively flat areas within Rover-wheel segments) into a flat shape
there is therein sufficient granular uniformity to produce specular
solar reflections when viewed from the appropriate angle. One can in
fact observe an angle-dependent gradation in the whiteness (and thus
reflectivity) of compressed sand in the three sample images above.
This hypothesis relies on no entities other than those present (the
sand) and the attribution of glass-like properties there to.


Ian Goddard's Journal: http://iangoddard.net/journal.htm

"When we have lived any time, and have been accustomed to
the uniformity of nature, we acquire a general habit, by
which we always transfer the known to the unknown, and
conceive the latter to resemble the former." David Hume

"Ian Goddard" wrote in message
...

Some people propose that the object seen here

http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/spotl..._20040304.html

photographed by the Mars Rover Opportunity and known as the "bunny"
may be evidence of Martian life. NASA's analysis posted at that page
concludes it was probably cloth torn from the Rover's landing airbags.

NASA critics also claim that Opportunity was directed to drive over
the bunny in order to destroy it. I shall refute alleged evidence
for that incredible claim made by Richard Hoagland and others:

http://www.weirdload.com/nasa-shame.html
http://www.rense.com/general48/NASAA.HTM
http://www.enterprisemission.com/images/LAxpo/10.jpg



I'm sorry but the remainder of this article appears to be more
of the same bs which has been given to the people for years.

And we are simply not buying it. You ran over a creature from
another planet deliberately as afront to the people, who you regard
as morons and sheep and dimwits who believe everything you spout.

Well as I said. We ain't buyin it.
Scroll down and observe the comparison images from the center of Tycho
crater.

Those from the Lunar and Planetary Institute and those of the NSC
and those of JPL.
http://www.members.shaw.ca/rsobie/Th...tm#TychoImages

So of course people no longer believe a thing that comes from that the NSC or JPL
when the evidence is so obvious that they are doctoring images,
and working on some unknown private agenda.

"Rick Sobie" wrote in message
news:vuJ2c.708087$JQ1.237950@pd7tw1no...

"Ian Goddard" wrote in message
...

Some people propose that the object seen here

http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/spotl..._20040304.html

photographed by the Mars Rover Opportunity and known as the "bunny"
may be evidence of Martian life. NASA's analysis posted at that page
concludes it was probably cloth torn from the Rover's landing airbags.

NASA critics also claim that Opportunity was directed to drive over
the bunny in order to destroy it. I shall refute alleged evidence
for that incredible claim made by Richard Hoagland and others:

http://www.weirdload.com/nasa-shame.html
http://www.rense.com/general48/NASAA.HTM
http://www.enterprisemission.com/images/LAxpo/10.jpg



I'm sorry but the remainder of this article appears to be more
of the same bs which has been given to the people for years.

And we are simply not buying it. You ran over a creature from
another planet deliberately as afront to the people,

There are several things one may accuse Ian Goddard of being. A NASA
employee is not one of them.

As for the idea that NASA would do deliberate harm to extraterrestrial life,
how silly. NASA would dearly love to find something running around on Mars,
as it would give them an incredible tool to extract funding out of the US
budget.

tim gueguen 101867

In article vuJ2c.708087$JQ1.237950@pd7tw1no,
Rick Sobie wrote:

"Ian Goddard" wrote in message
.. .

Some people propose that the object seen here

http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/spotl..._20040304.html

photographed by the Mars Rover Opportunity and known as the "bunny"
may be evidence of Martian life. NASA's analysis posted at that page
concludes it was probably cloth torn from the Rover's landing airbags.

NASA critics also claim that Opportunity was directed to drive over
the bunny in order to destroy it. I shall refute alleged evidence
for that incredible claim made by Richard Hoagland and others:

http://www.weirdload.com/nasa-shame.html
http://www.rense.com/general48/NASAA.HTM
http://www.enterprisemission.com/images/LAxpo/10.jpg


I'm sorry but the remainder of this article appears to be more
of the same bs which has been given to the people for years.

And we are simply not buying it. You ran over a creature from
another planet deliberately as afront to the people, who you regard
as morons and sheep and dimwits who believe everything you spout.

Well as I said. We ain't buyin it.
Scroll down and observe the comparison images from the center of Tycho
crater.

Those from the Lunar and Planetary Institute and those of the NSC
and those of JPL.
http://www.members.shaw.ca/rsobie/Th...tm#TychoImages

So of course people no longer believe a thing that comes from that the NSC or JPL
when the evidence is so obvious that they are doctoring images,
and working on some unknown private agenda.

A meta-question for others: Is there a difference between a
kook, and one truly suffering from schizophrenia? Is it
possible to tell the difference from just their writings?

Dan wrote:
A meta-question for others: Is there a difference between a
kook, and one truly suffering from schizophrenia? Is it
possible to tell the difference from just their writings?

Sometimes I think the real conspiracy is that Usenet was created as a
huge study ground by psychologists.

--
Greg Crinklaw
Astronomical Software Developer
Cloudcroft, New Mexico, USA (33N, 106W, 2700m)

SkyTools Software for the Observer:
http://www.skyhound.com/cs.html

Skyhound Observing Pages:
http://www.skyhound.com/sh/skyhound.html

To reply remove spleen

"tim gueguen" wrote in message news:7yJ2c.735605$ts4.79826@pd7tw3no...

"Rick Sobie" wrote in message
news:vuJ2c.708087$JQ1.237950@pd7tw1no...

"Ian Goddard" wrote in message
...

Some people propose that the object seen here

http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/spotl..._20040304.html

photographed by the Mars Rover Opportunity and known as the "bunny"
may be evidence of Martian life. NASA's analysis posted at that page
concludes it was probably cloth torn from the Rover's landing airbags.

NASA critics also claim that Opportunity was directed to drive over
the bunny in order to destroy it. I shall refute alleged evidence
for that incredible claim made by Richard Hoagland and others:

http://www.weirdload.com/nasa-shame.html
http://www.rense.com/general48/NASAA.HTM
http://www.enterprisemission.com/images/LAxpo/10.jpg



I'm sorry but the remainder of this article appears to be more
of the same bs which has been given to the people for years.

And we are simply not buying it. You ran over a creature from
another planet deliberately as afront to the people,

There are several things one may accuse Ian Goddard of being. A NASA
employee is not one of them.

Simply put, either you are with us, or you are with the Destructagons.


As for the idea that NASA would do deliberate harm to extraterrestrial life,
how silly. NASA would dearly love to find something running around on Mars,
as it would give them an incredible tool to extract funding out of the US
budget.

tim gueguen 101867


And where is the proof of your assertion?

Here?
http://www.members.shaw.ca/rsobie/Th...tm#TychoImages

And you can attack me, all you want fool, call me names like children
do in playgrounds. You only expose yourself for what you are.

So I know you have heard this a thousand times, but "I know you are
but what am I"



"Dan" wrote in message news:2BJ2c.133025$Xp.564459@attbi_s54...
In article vuJ2c.708087$JQ1.237950@pd7tw1no,
Rick Sobie wrote:

"Ian Goddard" wrote in message
.. .

Some people propose that the object seen here

http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/spotl..._20040304.html

photographed by the Mars Rover Opportunity and known as the "bunny"
may be evidence of Martian life. NASA's analysis posted at that page
concludes it was probably cloth torn from the Rover's landing airbags.

NASA critics also claim that Opportunity was directed to drive over
the bunny in order to destroy it. I shall refute alleged evidence
for that incredible claim made by Richard Hoagland and others:

http://www.weirdload.com/nasa-shame.html
http://www.rense.com/general48/NASAA.HTM
http://www.enterprisemission.com/images/LAxpo/10.jpg


I'm sorry but the remainder of this article appears to be more
of the same bs which has been given to the people for years.

And we are simply not buying it. You ran over a creature from
another planet deliberately as afront to the people, who you regard
as morons and sheep and dimwits who believe everything you spout.

Well as I said. We ain't buyin it.
Scroll down and observe the comparison images from the center of Tycho
crater.

Those from the Lunar and Planetary Institute and those of the NSC
and those of JPL.
http://www.members.shaw.ca/rsobie/Th...tm#TychoImages

So of course people no longer believe a thing that comes from that the NSC or JPL
when the evidence is so obvious that they are doctoring images,
and working on some unknown private agenda.

A meta-question for others: Is there a difference between a
kook, and one truly suffering from schizophrenia? Is it
possible to tell the difference from just their writings?

And sometimes I think that people like you should need a licence
to post to usenet. Crawl back into your skeptic tank
lowlife scum of the earth.


"Greg Crinklaw" wrote in message
...
Dan wrote:
A meta-question for others: Is there a difference between a
kook, and one truly suffering from schizophrenia? Is it
possible to tell the difference from just their writings?

Sometimes I think the real conspiracy is that Usenet was created as a
huge study ground by psychologists.

--
Greg Crinklaw
Astronomical Software Developer
Cloudcroft, New Mexico, USA (33N, 106W, 2700m)

SkyTools Software for the Observer:
http://www.skyhound.com/cs.html

Skyhound Observing Pages:
http://www.skyhound.com/sh/skyhound.html

To reply remove spleen

Oops forgot to PLONK you. Thanks for reminding me mate!

--
Greg Crinklaw
Astronomical Software Developer
Cloudcroft, New Mexico, USA (33N, 106W, 2700m)

SkyTools Software for the Observer:
http://www.skyhound.com/cs.html

Skyhound Observing Pages:
http://www.skyhound.com/sh/skyhound.html

To reply remove spleen

In article eLK2c.709126$JQ1.630636@pd7tw1no,
Rick Sobie wrote:
And you can attack me, all you want fool, call me names like children
do in playgrounds. You only expose yourself for what you are.

So I know you have heard this a thousand times, but "I know you are
but what am I"

My question was actually serious, and not meant to be
name-calling. I have no idea whether you are schizophrenic
or not. But I know that it's a real disease, and it causes
a lot of suffering.

"Dan" wrote in message news:2BJ2c.133025$Xp.564459@attbi_s54...
In article vuJ2c.708087$JQ1.237950@pd7tw1no,
Rick Sobie wrote:

"Ian Goddard" wrote in message
.. .

Some people propose that the object seen here

http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/spotl..._20040304.html

photographed by the Mars Rover Opportunity and known as the "bunny"
may be evidence of Martian life. NASA's analysis posted at that page
concludes it was probably cloth torn from the Rover's landing airbags.

NASA critics also claim that Opportunity was directed to drive over
the bunny in order to destroy it. I shall refute alleged evidence
for that incredible claim made by Richard Hoagland and others:

http://www.weirdload.com/nasa-shame.html
http://www.rense.com/general48/NASAA.HTM
http://www.enterprisemission.com/images/LAxpo/10.jpg


I'm sorry but the remainder of this article appears to be more
of the same bs which has been given to the people for years.

And we are simply not buying it. You ran over a creature from
another planet deliberately as afront to the people, who you regard
as morons and sheep and dimwits who believe everything you spout.

Well as I said. We ain't buyin it.
Scroll down and observe the comparison images from the center of Tycho
crater.

Those from the Lunar and Planetary Institute and those of the NSC
and those of JPL.
http://www.members.shaw.ca/rsobie/Th...tm#TychoImages

So of course people no longer believe a thing that comes from that the NSC or JPL
when the evidence is so obvious that they are doctoring images,
and working on some unknown private agenda.

A meta-question for others: Is there a difference between a
kook, and one truly suffering from schizophrenia? Is it
possible to tell the difference from just their writings?