Steve Lindsey - Astronaut Liar

On 21 Dec, 22:00, Fred J. McCall wrote:

:
:When I halk about Al-kalb I am poining out the way America is viewed
:in the Middle East.
:

Who gives a **** what you think people in the Middle East think?

Do you want a foreign policy that works? Come to that do you want any
policy that works.

If you want to disengage completely from the Middle East then indeed
it does not matter a **** what people think. If you want a peace
settlement it jolly well does. I do not believe you have a choice but
to disengage. To put it bluntly even America does not have the
resources to hold down a hostile region.

Futhermore for a variety of reasons we wont go into here America has
been losing the tecnological race. America now has a negative balance
of trade on high tech products. It needs all the resources it has to
keep ahead of the world in CIVIL technological reaseach. It simply
cannot afford to hold down hostile populations. It cannot afford
"Intelligent Design" either. Britain in 1947 saw the writing on the
wall and got out.

You still have not contradicted "simple_language" in his assessment of
winged spacecraft technology. If indeed the Shuttle has to carry 2
tons of lead to reenter heads should have rolled. Why didn't they?
This too is a question we have to ask.

It may well be that the hard truth is that the USA cannopt afford
Space in any form. This has to be the conclusion of all you say. Other
countries may be able to afford curiosity but not a country in
recession that has to spend all its resources, by your own admission,
holding down hostile populations.

Not a very up beat assessment is it?


- Ian Parker

BTW I am now retired. I am saying what a great many people are
probably privately feeling but too much is at stake in terms of
career..

BTW If Barak Obama thinks that other countries are going to pull his
chestnts out of the fire in Afghanistan he has another think coming.
The US supported extremism and must live with the consequences and
live with them alone.


- Ian Parker

Ian Parker wrote:

:On 21 Dec, 22:00, Fred J. McCall wrote:
:
: :
: :When I halk about Al-kalb I am poining out the way America is viewed
: :in the Middle East.
: :
:
: Who gives a **** what you think people in the Middle East think?
:
o you want a foreign policy that works? Come to that do you want any
olicy that works.
:

Yeah, I do. That's part of why I don't give a **** what a loonytoon
like you thinks.

:
:If you want to disengage completely from the Middle East then indeed
:it does not matter a **** what people think. If you want a peace
:settlement it jolly well does. I do not believe you have a choice but
:to disengage. To put it bluntly even America does not have the
:resources to hold down a hostile region.
:

Again, I don't care what a loonytoon like you believes.

And now we'll see you gibber off on a bunch of unrelated things.

:
:Futhermore for a variety of reasons we wont go into here America has
:been losing the tecnological race. America now has a negative balance
f trade on high tech products.
:

Cite? I think you're making **** up again.

:
:It needs all the resources it has to
:keep ahead of the world in CIVIL technological reaseach.
:

Cite? I think you're making **** up again.

:
:It simply
:cannot afford to hold down hostile populations.
:

Non sequitur.

:
:It cannot afford "Intelligent Design" either.
:

Non sequitur.

:
:Britain in 1947 saw the writing on the
:wall and got out.
:

History - study some.

:
:You still have not contradicted "simple_language" in his assessment of
:winged spacecraft technology.
:

Why would I? What boots it?

:
:If indeed the Shuttle has to carry 2
:tons of lead to reenter heads should have rolled.
:

Why?

:
:Why didn't they?
:

Because management was saner than you (which is a pretty low bar).

:
:This too is a question we have to ask.
:

Only because you're an ignorant git.

:
:It may well be that the hard truth is that the USA cannopt afford
:Space in any form.
:

It may well be, but nothing you've said points that way.

:
:This has to be the conclusion of all you say.
:

No it doesn't. Well, not unless you're insane.

:
:Other
:countries may be able to afford curiosity but not a country in
:recession that has to spend all its resources, by your own admission,
:holding down hostile populations.
:

I've said no such thing. You are a liar.

:
:Not a very up beat assessment is it?
:

No, but then you're a lunatic making **** up out of thin air, so I
expect no better.

:
:BTW I am now retired.
:

There not being a lot of job openings for the insane...

:
:I am saying what a great many people are
robably privately feeling but too much is at stake in terms of
:career..
:

I suspect all those "great many people" are locked up in mental
institutions.


--
"Ordinarily he is insane. But he has lucid moments when he is
only stupid."
-- Heinrich Heine

Ian Parker wrote:

Insane non sequitur with context elided.

Another A.S.S. reset...

:
:BTW If Barak Obama thinks that other countries are going to pull his
:chestnts out of the fire in Afghanistan he has another think coming.
:The US supported extremism and must live with the consequences and
:live with them alone.
:

What a fruitcake! Even POORLY written software ought to be able to do
better than this!


--
"Ordinarily he is insane. But he has lucid moments when he is
only stupid."
-- Heinrich Heine

On 22 Dec, 12:02, Fred J. McCall wrote:
Ian Parker wrote:

Insane non sequitur with context elided.

Another A.S.S. reset...

:
:BTW If Barak Obama thinks that other countries are going to pull his
:chestnts out of the fire in Afghanistan he has another think coming.
:The US supported extremism and must live with the consequences and
:live with them alone.
:

What a fruitcake! *Even POORLY written software ought to be able to do
better than this!

--
"Ordinarily he is insane. But he has lucid moments when he is
*only stupid."
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * -- Heinrich Heine

Do you propose to lock all the EU leaders up. Are you going to have
yet another war?


- Ian Parker

On Dec 21, 1:45*pm, Ian Parker wrote:
There have regularly been ad hominem attacks. I do not believe that
they have any place in a scientific discussion.

We must have vigorous dicussion. We must show no respect for
established or establuishment ideas, everything should be disputed.

Having said this though it is up to critics to explain logically why
people's ideas are wrong, to say someone is a lunastic etc. is NOT an
argument.

The basis of this discussion, as indeed is the case for quite a lot of
discussions in this. "Simple_language" a few weeks ago argued that the
laws of Physics meant that rockets were the most effective means of
getting into space and that capsules were the best way of getting
astronauts back. Winged vehicles were too heavy. He may be right or he
may not be. If he is right NASA were extremely foolish to abandon
Saturn and go for the winged Shuttle. If he is wrong a new generation
of shuttles should be built.

The point I am making here is that no one disputed his thesis
seriously in the thread. I therefore take it as read that NASA were
stupid to get rid of Saturn and that the Shuttle is a monstrosity.
This is really what we should be addressing ourselves too. Do we? Do
we heck?

When I halk about Al-kalb I am poining out the way America is viewed
in the Middle East. The journalist who threw his shoes at Bush is now,
rightly or wrongly an Arab hero. In the same way that no one (except
"simple_language") is prep\red to discuss the basic plank of NASA
theory and policy, so no one is really prepared to openly defend
policy in Iraq.

The Al-kalb remark of mine says in effectthat there is training in
disinformation, training on how to subvert the true purposes of a
scientific discusion group. They do not try to justify policies in any
reasoned way, they simply smear their opponents.


I read an article to the effect that the USA oonce in the lead in
science is now falling behing other countries. I wonder why.

* *- Ian Parker

Because America has essentially way undereducated itself, as well as
having been systematically misinformed, corrupted and otherwise
remaining dishonest in most every way that truly counts.

We have been benefiting from and hiding the Rothschild likes of
Zionist/Nazis, and otherwise we have been taking advantage of other
nations and their ethnic civilizations in ways that simply can't be
measured in dollars alone.

~ BG

On Dec 21, 2:00*pm, Fred J. McCall wrote:
Ian Parker wrote:

:
:There have regularly been ad hominem attacks.
:

For there to be 'ad hominem attacks' you would have to qualify as
'hominem'. *You don't.

:
:I do not believe that
:they have any place in a scientific discussion.
:

Neither does insane logic, non sequiturs, lies, or any of the other
lunacy with which you lard your posts.

:
:When I halk about Al-kalb I am poining out the way America is viewed
:in the Middle East.
:

Who gives a **** what you think people in the Middle East think?

:
:The Al-kalb remark of mine says in effectthat there is training in
:disinformation, training on how to subvert the true purposes of a
:scientific discusion group. They do not try to justify policies in any
:reasoned way, they simply smear their opponents.
:

Yes, we're all well aware of your paranoid delusions by this point in
time.

:
:I read an article to the effect that the USA oonce in the lead in
:science is now falling behing other countries. I wonder why.
:

I don't believe you can actually read and understand anything. *The
evidence here is certainly against you having any such capacity.

--
"Ordinarily he is insane. But he has lucid moments when he is
*only stupid."
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * -- Heinrich Heine

99.9% of Usenet/newsgroups are intentionally populated with pretend-
Atheists, in other words liars of the brown-nosed and often Zionist/
Nazi kind.

~ BG

On Dec 22, 4:31*am, Ian Parker wrote:
On 22 Dec, 12:02, Fred J. McCall wrote:



Ian Parker wrote:

Insane non sequitur with context elided.

Another A.S.S. reset...

:
:BTW If Barak Obama thinks that other countries are going to pull his
:chestnts out of the fire in Afghanistan he has another think coming.
:The US supported extremism and must live with the consequences and
:live with them alone.
:

What a fruitcake! *Even POORLY written software ought to be able to do
better than this!

--
"Ordinarily he is insane. But he has lucid moments when he is
*only stupid."
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * -- Heinrich Heine

Do you propose to lock all the EU leaders up. Are you going to have
yet another war?

* - Ian Parker

They would like nothing better than WWIII.

~ BG

Ian Parker Non Grata wrote:

you'd actually be a respected member of the sci.space.* community

if you called those with whom you disagree a 'child molester' and then
threaten them with death. Until you 'get with the program', you're out.

BradGuth wrote:
On Dec 21, 1:45 pm, Ian Parker wrote:
There have regularly been ad hominem attacks. I do not believe that
they have any place in a scientific discussion.

We must have vigorous dicussion. We must show no respect for
established or establuishment ideas, everything should be disputed.

Having said this though it is up to critics to explain logically why
people's ideas are wrong, to say someone is a lunastic etc. is NOT an
argument.

The basis of this discussion, as indeed is the case for quite a lot of
discussions in this. "Simple_language" a few weeks ago argued that the
laws of Physics meant that rockets were the most effective means of
getting into space and that capsules were the best way of getting
astronauts back. Winged vehicles were too heavy. He may be right or he
may not be. If he is right NASA were extremely foolish to abandon
Saturn and go for the winged Shuttle. If he is wrong a new generation
of shuttles should be built.

The point I am making here is that no one disputed his thesis
seriously in the thread. I therefore take it as read that NASA were
stupid to get rid of Saturn and that the Shuttle is a monstrosity.
This is really what we should be addressing ourselves too. Do we? Do
we heck?

When I halk about Al-kalb I am poining out the way America is viewed
in the Middle East. The journalist who threw his shoes at Bush is now,
rightly or wrongly an Arab hero. In the same way that no one (except
"simple_language") is prep\red to discuss the basic plank of NASA
theory and policy, so no one is really prepared to openly defend
policy in Iraq.

The Al-kalb remark of mine says in effectthat there is training in
disinformation, training on how to subvert the true purposes of a
scientific discusion group. They do not try to justify policies in any
reasoned way, they simply smear their opponents.


I read an article to the effect that the USA oonce in the lead in
science is now falling behing other countries. I wonder why.

- Ian Parker

Because America has essentially way undereducated itself, as well as
having been systematically misinformed, corrupted and otherwise
remaining dishonest in most every way that truly counts.

We have been benefiting from and hiding the Rothschild likes of
Zionist/Nazis, and otherwise we have been taking advantage of other
nations and their ethnic civilizations in ways that simply can't be
measured in dollars alone.

~ BG

My, my, you're a bit of a nut aren't you? I know this won't help (it
never does) but you need to find some sort of mental health professional
and get a neck-up check-up. If you have previously done so you should
resume taking whatever medications you were prescribed.