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tomcat's Nice Little Sub-Orbital Runabout
Brad Guth wrote: "tomcat" wrote in message ups.com This is very heartening news because at last civilian technology has reached the proper level for serious and extensive exploration and exploitation of Outer Space. Well, at least under the shield benefits of our badly failing magnetosphere, as otherwise it's mostly up to robotics that'll accomplish the vast bulk of interplanetary space travel explorations, and thankfully at not 1% the cost nor much less risking a single strand of our frail DNA. - Brad Guth -- Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG Robot probes do make sense and NASA is using them expertly. Especially the two rovers on Mars, Spirit and Opportunity. It is not, however, beneficial for all of our exploration into the vast reaches of Outer Space to be robotic. Man must venture forth into the bewildering array of meteors, asteroids, moons, and planets and establish mining operations as well as habitats. Our DOD has to begin taking control of nearby Outer Space and that means Space Command Operations in Outer Space. tomcat |
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"tomcat" wrote in message
ups.com Man must venture forth into the bewildering array of meteors, asteroids, moons, and planets and establish mining operations as well as habitats. Our DOD has to begin taking control of nearby Outer Space and that means Space Command Operations in Outer Space. Don't worry, China and a few others have all of that covered. - Brad Guth -- Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG |
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"tomcat" wrote in message
ps.com Enough as you've well said about our warm and fuzzy though quite silly borg. Back to the viable spaceplane or fat waverider inert tonnage. Each substantial landing gear and/or accommodation per crew/passenger seating is I believe worth roughly an all inclusive metric tonne per item. By way of cutting out whatever inert mass of such potentially occupied spare seats and/or of those spare landing gears that are only necessary if planning upon managing the entire GLOW fiasco, as it rather inefficiently roles off for miles upon miles upon that rather spendy tarmac, is an absolute win-win for otherwise getting the most payload bang at the least possible cost into LEO/ISS orbit. However, if whatever payload space or deployed tonnage isn't an honest factor, then so what's the difference? - Brad Guth -- Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG |
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tomcat's Nice Little Sub-Orbital Runabout
"Brad Guth" wrote in message
news:57606c99f0599b5a52542ec3bbc9aab8.49644@mygate .mailgate.org The Venusian Composite Rigid Airship; so what's the big insurmountable deal? Why the hell not invest R&D into creating a composite rigid airship (Skylon or fat waverider spaceplane), on behalf of our doing Venus? It's not even all that hocus-pocus or having to involve the pesky likes of all those NASA/Apollo smoke and mirrors, instead it's simply doable within the regular laws of physics as is. The actual rigid airship as a Venusian atmospheric probe that'll function rather nicely below their nighttime season of clouds needn't be manned, and therefore needn't be all that large. Unlike most other planets, or even moons that we know of, Venus is just getting itself started at kicking it's own DNA butt, and otherwise Mars DNA has long been kicked, nicely cosmic zapped and then rather nicely freeze dried to death. The composite rigid airship as efficiently operating within the highly buoyant Venusian environment can at least accommodate intelligent other life in more viable ways than it's being given credit for. There has even been good enough pictures of what's been doable by others. Yet lo and behold, Venus remains as the most nearby and absolute most accessible taboo/nondisclosure other orb in our solar system, that's none the less easier and much safer than doing our moon. Unlike our nearly frozen solid to the very core of that silly old Mars, that's also representing an environment that's worthy of getting yourself cosmic TBI and otherwise rather easily pulverised to death while on that nearly naked surface, whereas on the relatively newish and evolving planetology of Venus there's hardly any cosmic or nasty forms of solar energy that's DNA lethal getting through all of that thick soup of atmosphere, nor is there hardly any need of your having to dig in in order to find more than your fair share of geothermal or terrific gas vent issues that can be put directly to the task of extracting renewable energy on the spot. The vertical atmospheric thick soup of such nifty pressure and thermal differential factors alone are clearly by themselves more than sufficient means to sustain most any mere halfwit intelligent form of life. That is unless you are one of these warm and fuzzy naysay Usenet village idiots, in which case absolutely nothing is possible in the past, present or future, so why bother. The ongoing devoid or rather ongoing topic/author banishment of such viable energy related ideas or even honest swags of viable considerations from this anti-think-tank of our status quo or bust naysay Usenet land, that's having been really good at their typically sucking and blowing worth of infomercial crapolla spewing on behalf of all things government and big-energy, is simply further proof-positive that such renewable energy while on Venusian deck has been doable. Venus is in fact a hot place, though actually it's not all that nasty of an environment. But so what if it's hot, as long as you've got such access to and having the sufficient smarts on behalf of utilizing the vast amounts of renewable energy that's already there to behold? Just because a given planet or moon is a little too hot, too cold or even too wet for our naked bodies or physiological grasp, doesn't in of itself mean that it's 100+% taboo. Escaping the lethal forms of cosmic and solar radiation seems by far more of a life essential important issue, and secondly avoiding whatever's physically incoming seems like yet another win-win for the old gipper, especially if it's having to do with avoiding getting seriously smacked in the butt by way of something that has your name on it. Venus simply couldn't possibly be any more newish, alive and kicking on the various doors of accommodating other life, especially on behalf of rather easily accommodating intelligent other life that's merely visiting, possibly even of a few locally evolved species isn't outside of this toasty Venusian box. Although, I suppose if there's lots of cosmic radiated and otherwise meteorite pulverised dry-ice, plus whatever remains of that sub-frozen regular old Mars ice that's perhaps near solid to the very icy dead (older than Earth) core of Mars is still somehow life worthy, then so be it. These pro-Mars folks should simply impress us, as in knocking our socks off, if they can. I'm absolutely certain that as of millions of years ago Mars could have had a touch of life to spare, and back a good billion some odd years even better odds yet for having sustained sizable (larger than rad-hard microbe) forms of such other local life (intelligent being yet to be proven unless merely visiting). On the other real and honest hands of utilizing those regular laws of physics, as such there is absolutely nothing that's so insurmountable about Venus. Thinking otherwise is only the proof-positive as to how terribly snookered and dumbfounded past the mindset point of no return you have become. BTW; if the absolutely bleak realm of that Mars of today has any remainders of life to behold, then upon our own pesky moon that's still more than a touch salty is absolutely loaded to the gills, with it's local and cosmic DNA morgue worth of nifty spores, and you name it. - Brad Guth -- Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG |
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tomcat's Nice Little Sub-Orbital Runabout
Brad Guth wrote: "Brad Guth" wrote in message news:57606c99f0599b5a52542ec3bbc9aab8.49644@mygate .mailgate.org The Venusian Composite Rigid Airship; so what's the big insurmountable deal? Why the hell not invest R&D into creating a composite rigid airship (Skylon or fat waverider spaceplane), on behalf of our doing Venus? It's not even all that hocus-pocus or having to involve the pesky likes of all those NASA/Apollo smoke and mirrors, instead it's simply doable within the regular laws of physics as is. The actual rigid airship as a Venusian atmospheric probe that'll function rather nicely below their nighttime season of clouds needn't be manned, and therefore needn't be all that large. Unlike most other planets, or even moons that we know of, Venus is just getting itself started at kicking it's own DNA butt, and otherwise Mars DNA has long been kicked, nicely cosmic zapped and then rather nicely freeze dried to death. The composite rigid airship as efficiently operating within the highly buoyant Venusian environment can at least accommodate intelligent other life in more viable ways than it's being given credit for. There has even been good enough pictures of what's been doable by others. Yet lo and behold, Venus remains as the most nearby and absolute most accessible taboo/nondisclosure other orb in our solar system, that's none the less easier and much safer than doing our moon. Unlike our nearly frozen solid to the very core of that silly old Mars, that's also representing an environment that's worthy of getting yourself cosmic TBI and otherwise rather easily pulverised to death while on that nearly naked surface, whereas on the relatively newish and evolving planetology of Venus there's hardly any cosmic or nasty forms of solar energy that's DNA lethal getting through all of that thick soup of atmosphere, nor is there hardly any need of your having to dig in in order to find more than your fair share of geothermal or terrific gas vent issues that can be put directly to the task of extracting renewable energy on the spot. The vertical atmospheric thick soup of such nifty pressure and thermal differential factors alone are clearly by themselves more than sufficient means to sustain most any mere halfwit intelligent form of life. That is unless you are one of these warm and fuzzy naysay Usenet village idiots, in which case absolutely nothing is possible in the past, present or future, so why bother. The ongoing devoid or rather ongoing topic/author banishment of such viable energy related ideas or even honest swags of viable considerations from this anti-think-tank of our status quo or bust naysay Usenet land, that's having been really good at their typically sucking and blowing worth of infomercial crapolla spewing on behalf of all things government and big-energy, is simply further proof-positive that such renewable energy while on Venusian deck has been doable. Venus is in fact a hot place, though actually it's not all that nasty of an environment. But so what if it's hot, as long as you've got such access to and having the sufficient smarts on behalf of utilizing the vast amounts of renewable energy that's already there to behold? Just because a given planet or moon is a little too hot, too cold or even too wet for our naked bodies or physiological grasp, doesn't in of itself mean that it's 100+% taboo. Escaping the lethal forms of cosmic and solar radiation seems by far more of a life essential important issue, and secondly avoiding whatever's physically incoming seems like yet another win-win for the old gipper, especially if it's having to do with avoiding getting seriously smacked in the butt by way of something that has your name on it. Venus simply couldn't possibly be any more newish, alive and kicking on the various doors of accommodating other life, especially on behalf of rather easily accommodating intelligent other life that's merely visiting, possibly even of a few locally evolved species isn't outside of this toasty Venusian box. Although, I suppose if there's lots of cosmic radiated and otherwise meteorite pulverised dry-ice, plus whatever remains of that sub-frozen regular old Mars ice that's perhaps near solid to the very icy dead (older than Earth) core of Mars is still somehow life worthy, then so be it. These pro-Mars folks should simply impress us, as in knocking our socks off, if they can. I'm absolutely certain that as of millions of years ago Mars could have had a touch of life to spare, and back a good billion some odd years even better odds yet for having sustained sizable (larger than rad-hard microbe) forms of such other local life (intelligent being yet to be proven unless merely visiting). On the other real and honest hands of utilizing those regular laws of physics, as such there is absolutely nothing that's so insurmountable about Venus. Thinking otherwise is only the proof-positive as to how terribly snookered and dumbfounded past the mindset point of no return you have become. BTW; if the absolutely bleak realm of that Mars of today has any remainders of life to behold, then upon our own pesky moon that's still more than a touch salty is absolutely loaded to the gills, with it's local and cosmic DNA morgue worth of nifty spores, and you name it. - Brad Guth -- Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG Check out Opportunity Rover Sol 1042 Navigation Camera. And, while your at it, check out Opportunity Rover Sol 1044 Panoramic Camera. Look for the thumbnail that appears -- in the far distance -- to be a light colored ledge jutting out from the crater wall. Close inspection will reveal that it is a . . . house sitting near the edge of the crater. There are interesting things close to it as well. Ref: http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/galle...portunity.html Clearly, in my mind at least, resonable evidence that a civilization either once existed or does exist on Mars. tomcat |
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tomcat's Nice Little Sub-Orbital Runabout
"tomcat" wrote in message
ups.com Good grief, you are one of them, arn't you. Those cameras simply do not detect the sorts of rad-hard microvbes capable of surviving under such horrific anti-life conditions. If it used to live on Mars, it has been quite cosmic TBI dead and frozen soild for perhaps the last 100 million years, if not longer. - Brad Guth -- Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG |
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tomcat's Nice Little Sub-Orbital Runabout
"tomcat" wrote in message
oups.com Brad, here's something that's as close to proof as you can imagine that NASA put a man on the Moon July 20, 1969. "Shooting the moon By Bruce Lieberman Sunday, August 13 2006, 05:20 PM" MEASURING THE MOON "On July 21, 1969, Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin propped an array of reflectors in the lunar soil - one of several science experiments they deployed a day after becoming the first humans to set foot on the moon. A month later, a small group of astronomers bounced a pulse of laser light off the reflectors and caught the return signal with a telescope at Lick Observatory near San Jose, in Northern California. By measuring the time it took for the pulse traveling at the speed of light to return, scientists could determine the distance between the Earth and moon. And so in the summer of 1969, the era of modern lunar ranging was born. Today, 37 years later, scientists at University of California San Diego are firing lasers at the same reflectors. Equipped with 21st century technology and new techniques, they plan to measure the distance between the Earth and moon down to an astounding 1 millimeter - the width of a paper clip." That only proves something sufficiently reflective (such as the moon itself if the laser were IR), or perhaps otherwise a vaporised aluminum or zinc oxide coated impact crater had accomplished the reflective task (just as it should have). Besides, Russia supposedly proved that a purely robotic deployed retroreflector was more than doable, and supposedly those USSR types were far less than village idiots compared to our 10 fold spendy NASA wizards, which at the time included all of those Jewish Third Reich wizards to boot. tomcat, I'd noticed how the borgs you continually brown-nose with (namely the likes of lord all-knowing William Mook) pretty much vaporised your "Electrogravitics is Reality!" topic. Besides public information that's somewhat topic related and certainly interesting, was there even one actual topic constructive soul to be found, other than the usual space-toilet buttology of naysayers? It seems these MIB damage control posy types are pretty much all that you ever encounter, and yet you think you're anywhere in their class of rusemaster expertise. Sorry, you're not good enough, yet. - Brad Guth -- Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG |
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