Orlando Sentinel Says it Has Moon Plan

"... specifics of NASA's ambitious plans for a new
era of human space travel are outlined in a set of
internal briefing charts on the agency's recent
Exploration Systems Architecture Study. A copy of
those briefings, parts of which are scheduled to be
made public next month, was obtained by the Orlando
Sentinel."

"http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/custom/space/orl-asec-moon073105,0,3136666.htmlstory?coll=orl-home-promo"

Interesting stuff. Say goodbye to Lockheed's lifting
body plans!

- Ed Kyle

"Ed Kyle" wrote in
ups.com:

"... specifics of NASA's ambitious plans for a new
era of human space travel are outlined in a set of
internal briefing charts on the agency's recent
Exploration Systems Architecture Study. A copy of
those briefings, parts of which are scheduled to be
made public next month, was obtained by the Orlando
Sentinel."

"http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/custom/space/orl-asec-moon073105,0
,3136666.htmlstory?coll=orl-home-promo"

Interesting stuff. Say goodbye to Lockheed's lifting
body plans!


Scene: Neil Armstrong wakes up in the capsule on the way home...

Armstrong: "Buzz, Mike -- I've just had the most awful dream... "

Aldrin: "There, there, Neil -- tell us about it."

Collins: "Yeah..."

Armstrong: "They cancelled Apollo, and replaced it with a 737-sized
airplane that didn't go anywhere, was protected by stuff that can be
crushed by a 3-year-old, but then they bolted it onto a big tank covered
in foam that constantly came off in big chunks..."

Aldrin: "Gee, Neil. That's terrible."

Collins: "Yeah, terrible..."

Armstrong: (mumbling) "... they were grabbing satellites with their
hands, and that SOB Glenn was flying again, and..." (falls back to
sleep).

Aldrin: "Houston, we've got a problem here..."

--
I was punching a text message into my | Reed Snellenberger
phone yesterday and thought, "they need | GPG KeyID: 5A978843
to make a phone that you can just talk | rsnellenberger
into." Major Thomb | -at-houston.rr.com

Reed Snellenberger wrote:


Armstrong: "They cancelled Apollo, and replaced it with a 737-sized
airplane that didn't go anywhere, was protected by stuff that can be
crushed by a 3-year-old, but then they bolted it onto a big tank covered
in foam that constantly came off in big chunks..."

Aldrin: "Gee, Neil. That's terrible."



The EOR aspect hearkens back to the earliest Apollo schemes- but this
does look like a very workable idea, and seems to offer manned
moonflight on a reasonable budget.
It sure beats the hell out of Shuttle flights that study the effects of
weightlessness on small screws- you know, that one where they were
mating the fruitflies. :-)


Pat

Pat Flannery wrote:

It sure beats the hell out of Shuttle flights that study the effects of
weightlessness on small screws- you know, that one where they were
mating the fruitflies. :-)

I, for one, welcome our...

Oh, nevermind.

Paul

Pat Flannery wrote:

The EOR aspect hearkens back to the earliest Apollo schemes- but this
does look like a very workable idea, and seems to offer manned
moonflight on a reasonable budget.

Four notable aspects of this leaked plan a

1) reusable capsules
2) liquid methane propellant for the lunar ascent stage
3) Stick CEV launcher slated to go in 2011
4) Stick second stage powered by an SSME, not J-2S

- Ed Kyle

On 30 Jul 2005 22:02:38 -0700, "Ed Kyle" wrote:

"... specifics of NASA's ambitious plans for a new
era of human space travel are outlined in a set of
internal briefing charts on the agency's recent
Exploration Systems Architecture Study. A copy of
those briefings, parts of which are scheduled to be
made public next month, was obtained by the Orlando
Sentinel."

"http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/custom/space/orl-asec-moon073105,0,3136666.htmlstory?coll=orl-home-promo"

Interesting stuff. Say goodbye to Lockheed's lifting
body plans!

And what exactly do they hope to achieve?



--

Christopher

ANYONE BUT **MAKOSI** TO WIN !

"Christopher" wrote in message
...
On 30 Jul 2005 22:02:38 -0700, "Ed Kyle" wrote:

"... specifics of NASA's ambitious plans for a new
era of human space travel are outlined in a set of
internal briefing charts on the agency's recent
Exploration Systems Architecture Study. A copy of
those briefings, parts of which are scheduled to be
made public next month, was obtained by the Orlando
Sentinel."


"http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/custom/space/orl-asec-moon073105,0,3136666.htmls
tory?coll=orl-home-promo"

Interesting stuff. Say goodbye to Lockheed's lifting
body plans!


And what exactly do they hope to achieve?



"We can gain quite a bit of science," said David Black, an astrophysicist
and head of a research association that oversees the Lunar and
Planetary Institute in Houston. "One of the things we can get is
a better handle on the origin of the moon and how it relates to Earth."


In short....nothing.

And when they finally get to Mars after spending 200 billion
and twenty years, what will they accomplish?
They'll find Mars is/was full of bacteria, the same kind
here on earth we spend billions to ...AVOID.

We're going to spend 200 Billion and twenty years to
discover sulfate reducing bacteria on Mars, the same
kind of bacteria that makes your well water smell like
rotten eggs.

This 'vision' is a joke.

I prefer one that does something for those outside the
space program.....us....the ones flipping for the bills.

Like ending our dependence on fossil fuels, bringing cheap
and clean energy to every corner of the world in order to
end hunger, disease and wars. And generate economic opportunities
for billions. To create a brighter future for us...not just to
line the pockets a few chosen contractors
and researchers.

Hopefully the shuttle problems will divert Nasa until the
end of this administration, so a new President can
trash the whole thing. Which is the most likely future
for this 'plan'.



Jonathan

s

















--

Christopher

ANYONE BUT **MAKOSI** TO WIN !

Paul F. Dietz wrote:

Pat Flannery wrote:

It sure beats the hell out of Shuttle flights that study the effects
of weightlessness on small screws- you know, that one where they were
mating the fruitflies. :-)


I, for one, welcome our...

Oh, nevermind.

Paul

PROTECT THE QUEEN!

--
It Came From C. L. Smith's Unclaimed Mysteries.
http://www.unclaimedmysteries.net

Dude, NASA is cheap and the earth is small. To put it into
perspective, we spend, as of 1999:

http://www.machinedesign.com/ASP/str...tedArticle.asp

three times as much per year on soda,
twice as much on gambling,

Look, at some point, the rest of the world has to be able to get its
own energy and feed itself. If the rest of the world wanted to become
an American State, then yes, we would have to take care of it, but as
Iraq shows, they clearly do not.

If you really want to support the third world, you would support
capitalism. Capitalism has done more to elevate the Chinese, Indian,
Japanese, Malaysians, the Phillipines and countless other countries out
of gut renching poverty into more modern societies than any socialist
nonsense that you advocate.

So, let the flies buzz the heads of the starving and barbaric third
worlders, or, let them accept capitalism and and in the meantime, we
Americans are going back to the moon!

jonathan wrote:

"Christopher" wrote in message
.. .


On 30 Jul 2005 22:02:38 -0700, "Ed Kyle" wrote:



"... specifics of NASA's ambitious plans for a new
era of human space travel are outlined in a set of
internal briefing charts on the agency's recent
Exploration Systems Architecture Study. A copy of
those briefings, parts of which are scheduled to be
made public next month, was obtained by the Orlando
Sentinel."



"http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/custom/space/orl-asec-moon073105,0,3136666.htmls


tory?coll=orl-home-promo"


Interesting stuff. Say goodbye to Lockheed's lifting
body plans!





And what exactly do they hope to achieve?





"We can gain quite a bit of science," said David Black, an astrophysicist
and head of a research association that oversees the Lunar and
Planetary Institute in Houston. "One of the things we can get is
a better handle on the origin of the moon and how it relates to Earth."


In short....nothing.

And when they finally get to Mars after spending 200 billion
and twenty years, what will they accomplish?
They'll find Mars is/was full of bacteria, the same kind
here on earth we spend billions to ...AVOID.

We're going to spend 200 Billion and twenty years to
discover sulfate reducing bacteria on Mars, the same
kind of bacteria that makes your well water smell like
rotten eggs.

This 'vision' is a joke.

I prefer one that does something for those outside the
space program.....us....the ones flipping for the bills.

Like ending our dependence on fossil fuels

Abandoning progress won't help you there, bub. One thing going to Mars
should do is aid the research in nuclear reactors. A robust space launch
infrastructure will aid in the goal of solar power satellites. Off-world
colonies will require improved in-situ resource utilization, which
should aid technologies such as thermal depolymerization which can turn
crap into petroleum and give us "fossil" fuels forever.


, bringing cheap
and clean energy to every corner of the world in order to
end hunger, disease and wars.

And how exactly do you expect NASA to do that? Hire mercenaries to take
down every socialist state and dictatorship and install modern
democratic governemnts based on capitalism? Good luck with that!



--
"The only thing that galls me about someone burning the American flag is how unoriginal it is. I mean if you're going to pull the Freedom-of-speech card, don't be a hack, come up with something interesting. Fashion Old Glory into a wisecracking puppet and blister the system with a scathing ventriloquism act, or better yet, drape the flag over your head and desecrate it with a large caliber bullet hole." Dennis Miller