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![]() A couple of Tweets talking about SpaceX Falcon 9 first stage reuse economics. The first is repeating some FUD that Tory Bruno of ULA likes to spread. The second is, of course, Elon Musk replying. Michael Baylor @nextspaceflight https://twitter.com/nextspaceflight/...34479814684672 From above: ULA has said that you need to refly a booster ten times for the economics of reusability to make sense. SpaceX is now up to six with Falcon 9. Elon Musk @elonmusk https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1295883862380294144 From above: Payload reduction due to reusability of booster & fairing is 40% for F9 & recovery & refurb is 10%, so you're roughly even with 2 flights, definitely ahead with 3 So, there you have it. SpaceX almost breaks even on a first stage after only two flights. And they're definitely economically ahead with three. I really don't know why Tory Bruno keeps saying they need 10 flights. They really don't know SpaceX's internal costs for anything. They don't have to pay high prices to external sub-contractors for things like engines like ULA does. SpaceX makes most everything they can in-house. This FUD says more about ULA than SpaceX though. It says ULA won't be an ongoing concern in launch vehicles once Blue Origin perfects first stage reuse. And if SpaceX ever gets full reuse out of Starship/Super Booster, it's definitely game over for ULA. Thanks, Jeff -- All opinions posted by me on Usenet News are mine, and mine alone. These posts do not reflect the opinions of my family, friends, employer, or any organization that I am a member of. |
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On 8/19/2020 5:44 PM, Jeff Findley wrote:
This FUD says more about ULA than SpaceX though. It says ULA won't be an ongoing concern in launch vehicles once Blue Origin perfects first stage reuse. And if SpaceX ever gets full reuse out of Starship/Super Booster, it's definitely game over for ULA. I think you are ignoring the possibility that ULA makes a buyout bid for Blue Origin from Bezos. After which, after much consideration, Bezos buys ULA for the parts and infrastructure. Dave |
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On 8/19/2020 5:44 PM, Jeff Findley wrote: This FUD says more about ULA than SpaceX though. It says ULA won't be an ongoing concern in launch vehicles once Blue Origin perfects first stage reuse. And if SpaceX ever gets full reuse out of Starship/Super Booster, it's definitely game over for ULA. I think you are ignoring the possibility that ULA makes a buyout bid for Blue Origin from Bezos. After which, after much consideration, Bezos buys ULA for the parts and infrastructure. That's a possibility. But at that point, ULA ceases to exist as an independent entity. The biggest advantage for ex-ULA employees is that they'd finally be free from the meddling and lack of investment by their original parent companies. They'd could finally be free to work on ACES which includes technologies necessary for propellant depots (a necessary technology to literally fuel a lunar water ice based economy). This sort of tech is going to be necessary to fulfill Bezos' vision of moving manufacturing off planet. The bigger question would be whose management would be most in control of the new entity? I've been in a situation where the part of the company I work for bought another company and their management came to dominate the organization. It was a strange twist I wasn't expecting at the time. Such a situation inside Blue Origin might be a good thing, depending on exactly who from former ULA is in charge (e.g. someone who really wants to push new technologies and was held back by ULA's parent companies). Jeff -- All opinions posted by me on Usenet News are mine, and mine alone. These posts do not reflect the opinions of my family, friends, employer, or any organization that I am a member of. |
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Jeff Findley writes:
I've been in a situation where the part of the company I work for bought another company and their management came to dominate the organization. It was a strange twist I wasn't expecting at the time. That was how a retired Boeing employee characterized the M-D merger. "Where M-D bought Boeing, but with Boeing's money" was how he put it. He was quite happy to no longer be working there. -- A host is a host from coast to & no one will talk to a host that's close.......................... Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433 |
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